@liam2002 Because according to communists, the ultimate product of Capitalism is economic destruction. Nothing destroys economies better than Communism, thus making it the ultimate product of Capitalism.
@triangle.128k I wouldn't say Communism destroys economies while in some cases yes usually the downfall in Communist Societies isn't that the way of Communism fails but that outside forces often crush or sabotage Communist governments from lasting which we have seen in history plenty of times this also goes for Socialist governments.
It isn't just the outside forces of sanctions. Modern day socialist governments like in Venenzeula aren't working too well. Also remember the USSR had quite a bit of trade going on when half the world was communist.
Oh but of course communism can be very beneficial just as capitalism it just depends when communism is implemented like it was with Russia it pulled them out of their major struggle but when the system eventually failed it served its purpose and it was time for capitalism which is fair. I was just stating that usually outside forces end smaller communist governments before they can flourish.
By definition, communism isn't totalitarian. If there is a centralised government, it isn't communism as communism is the end goal of socialism, which can have a state, Communism is merely the stateless, classless, and decentralised society that runs after the whithering away of the state. All forms of the communist ideology usually only achieve the socialist state, but at best many of these can be called Crony capitalist, or fascist dictatorships as socialism advocates for a democratic system with worker's control and decentralised power
@Wolfram on the case of human rights. Surely, communism, a system oriented towards people's control and the end goal of a totally decentralised, stateless and classless society, is a system of human rights? I am a Marxist, and something of an anarchist I suppose, and my belief is that socialism, the first stage of most leftist ideologies (some could argue that social democracy, such as in Scandinavia and much of the Western World, is the first step of less leftist ideologies), is a movement in the right direction. That is to say, a resource-based economy where everyone gets their fair share and with it a vote in a democratic system. Surely it is more aligned with human rights, to provide people with resources that are their basic human right?
@triangle.128k. If there is no state, the idea of council communism/libertarian Marxism, is that power would be utterly decentralised and given to worker's councils and assembly democracy, within the framework of a resource-based economy. Crime rates would be lower anyway as money, greed, and our capitalist economy, are the motive for a lot of violent and financial crime, drugs and prostitution wouldn't be illegal either and would be regulated probably by the individual worker's councils within each municipality. Really the only crimes that would be committed would be crimes of passion, even then, an increased emphasis on individual liberty and freedom-of-choice would lead to less societal pressure and probably less cases of stress and depression
Not even having communism orientated to people's control will end people's natural desire for private ownership. Besides, we have military fields, resources and private property under the control of the communist government in the history. With or without socialism, the results remain the same. Anarchy is not an exception.
Socialism, marxism, communism and other communistic economy systems were derived from Karl Marx's manifesto. Karl Marx proposed his own economy system in the hopes to remove the citizens' selfishness, class differences, and economic disparity by sharing the resources equally, and regard the citizens as the equals. In the end, the disparity still remains. Besides, selfishness is a part of human nature.
The idea of "a totally decentralised, stateless and classless society" reminds me of the story of The Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. A disturbing story but a system failed to suppress the human nature.