• Yes! Mussolini was an ardent Socialist and crafted Fascism as a reform of it. Left Wingers have massively distorted their political rivalry and redefined the entire political spectrum.

  • No! If Fascism is to the right of Socialism, even by a small margin, it becomes a right wing ideology.

54% 15 votes
46% 13 votes
  • It takes a mob making decisions over everyone else (direct democracy) to succumb to a big lie and place a fascist leader at their head. Its inherently a left leaning ideology to create such a mob and overly empower it to where it can strip the rights of others away for their own "collective good".

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Axonly says2017-04-23T07:23:45.0442817Z
The bias is strong with this one
LeMarquisDEnfer says2017-04-23T07:50:06.6814817Z
@Axonly You can say that again! The hitler pic made me wonder if heil was still running around.
DavidMGold says2017-04-23T08:26:01.0130355Z
On the contrary, Axonly. The bias is the indefensible position the Fascism is a polar opposite of Socialism when it is easily proven that Mussolini only forged a mutation, a variation, of Socialism. In this case, you clearly hold all claim to bias and don't have any real arguments.
LeMarquisDEnfer says2017-04-23T08:53:20.5858817Z
@DavidMGold Yes, a form of Socialism based heavily upon NATIONALISM!
DavidMGold says2017-04-23T09:05:54.3934817Z
LeMarquisDEnfer, while I appreciate the modifier (ultra), which appears to be a redundant emphasis on nationalism, the rivalry between international socialists and national socialists doesn't relegate the latter to the opposite end of the spectrum. Again, Mussolini was reforming Socialism in this aspect. FYI, that's a picture of Benito Mussolini, not Hitler, and pictures are required for these poll questions (the founder of it does have a strong correlation with the topic although not your reference to some troll).
LeMarquisDEnfer says2017-04-23T09:18:41.4454817Z
@DavidMGold Your gentle swipe is appreciated, but no, Ultranationalism is its own concept. It is believed that Nationalism becomes Ultranationalism once the nationalism reaches a point at which it unjustly messes with other countries. It is far right enough of a position to really tip a scale.
DavidMGold says2017-04-23T10:10:01.3921151Z
LeMarquisDEnfer, another superfluous rendition in an increasingly unsustainable line of argument that ironically hinges on what we might call intervention with respect to other nations as the threshold for ultranationalism. Afterwards, you leap into the convoluted by suggesting that when a country "messes with other countries" it becomes "far right." No explanation needed! We all know Marxists wouldn't dare mess with other nations or shed their isolationist tendencies. :D
TheSocialist says2017-04-23T11:36:36.9281428Z
Fascism is very far-right. In Germany, under Hitler, the market was deregulated, he was also supported by large corporations. Nazi Germany was a free market economy. Or under the fascist dictators Pinochet and Batista, disastrous free market policies and brutality of government were combined. Fascist governments are always pro-market, and always pro-capitalism
LeMarquisDEnfer says2017-04-23T12:01:49.8161428Z
@DavidMGold Misrepresenting me doesn't make you right. It has to be meddling in the affairs of other nations in the name of nationalism. And the thing is, in spite of being leftist in every other way, I would argue that the Soviets did this with Russification! I am disagreeing with one point, not trying to saddle sensible right wingers with the Holocaust!
reece says2017-04-24T04:09:09.8104033Z
Do I have to start making my polls again?
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T04:46:27.4046427Z
TheSocialist, you're ability to repeat the claim, even emphatically, is not substantiated by a ludicrous (and extremely false) claim that Adolf "deregulated" the economy. Here's an excerpt from Time Magazine in 1939: "Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. On those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T05:23:21.2598589Z
TheSocialist, a cousin of Augusto Pinochet remarked that his ideological leanings were an enigma. What was clear that he was opposed to Salvador Allende, a minority Socialist candidate that only held only 36.1% of the vote, instituted economically disastrous policies, and the resolutions of both the Supreme Cort and the Chamber of Deputies specifically denounced his lawless, totalitarian governance. Pinochet was an authoritarian, no doubt, and introduced some privatization and market orientated policies that curtailed Allende's Marxist agenda.
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T05:38:46.6361255Z
TheSocialist, the irony is rich. Fulgencio Batista was supported by the Communist Party during his presidential bid having the backing of labor unions and adopting economic regulations upon assuming the Presidency. The feudalism and corruption he displayed as Dictator are not indicators of a free market. I would happily squash your ideological tracts by reminding you of the half a century of oppression, brutality and halt to economic activity under the crackpot policies of Fidel Castro on any given day.
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T05:43:16.5161255Z
TheSocialist, rich as in Communists denouncing anti-Batista opposition calling them "fascists" and "reactionaries" during the 1940 election. :D
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T05:46:21.9377255Z
Reece, in the absence of any real argument, go for it.
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T06:25:05.2769255Z
LeMarquisDEnfer, if you're going to introduce flimsy arguments, don't expect a pass here. Your failure to sustain it, to reason, are not misrepresentations. Undefined, unqualified criteria (meddling internationally in the name of nationalism???) is the sort of vacuous (and simplistic) rambling that draws my ire. "Russification," more of a red herring and less of a validation of your simplistic and erroneous take on the political spectrum. Oy vey, you managed to invoke the Holocaust and you couldn't tie your shoes here much less saddle anyone. Sensible left wingers like Walter Duranty assure us you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs! Some of us are aware of the fact that the Soviets allied themselves with the National Socialists and recall their invasion of Poland from the east. Likewise, we remember the Soviets outlawed Judaism, the Hebrew language and of course Zionism, with a long history of arming the Arabs to carry out another Holocaust on the state of Israel.
reece says2017-04-24T06:39:57.8777255Z
DavidMGold, are you saying not to argue in my poll?
DavidMGold says2017-04-24T09:05:46.3298427Z
Reece, no..I encourage debate fully. Keep up.
reece says2017-04-24T10:02:14.5997255Z
Stay down.
Iacov says2017-04-24T13:54:41.6861255Z
This poll is incredibly stupid a political spectrum is not a straight line with only left in right. The political spectrum is a plane with economic left and right and upward authoritarian and downward libertarian. Fascism is a authoritarian ideology and can be either left or right thinking economically.
Mharman says2017-04-24T14:16:39.3075220Z
Fascism is about big government, so I say yes. Fascism actually has nothing to do with nationalism, that's Nazism you're thinking of. Regardless, fascism still is not a good thing.
Iacov says2017-04-24T15:11:48.1455220Z
A facist socialist would be in the top left of a political spectrum a facist capitalist in the top right with a anarcho-capitalist in the bottom right and a anarcho-socialist in the bottom left.
Sciguy says2017-04-24T18:46:29.9703220Z
A bit hard to choose... I'd say that fascism is a left-wing ideology.
Comradeanton says2018-12-29T05:28:45.0250090Z
Fascism is a third positionist ideology and can't be summed up by right or left because it takes economic values from the left while taking nationalistic values from the right.

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