Is it good for students to need to wear school uniforms?

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benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T18:24:23.9765167-05:00
It's a very complex issue
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:24:44.8596154-05:00
In what respect?
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T18:30:40.5937479-05:00
Well, it substantially decreases bullying, but only in one area: clothing. Many teens are bullied for their clothing. However, you can still be bullied for hairstyle, body, facial features, interests and hobbies, sexual orientation, race, nationality, religion, etc. The list goes on. My school has a uniform, and bullying is still a common occurrence. It unites students in some ways (in my case, it unites us against the dress code itself. Many feel it's unfair). But other major forms of bullying remain unaddressed. Clothing is just a very small piece of the puzzle. Perhaps most importantly, wearing uniforms encourages conformity. In my personal view, that is FAR from a positive thing.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:33:17.5199602-05:00
Yes, and it is a small piece that students don't have to deal with when wearing a uniform. Those are other issues that cause bullying and those other aspects should be dealt individually.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:36:07.4395170-05:00
So it is good for students to wear a uniform since it eliminates once cause of bullying.
lolpas says2014-10-21T18:38:54.3647586-05:00
But it's not just a pure positive. You have to understand that with a uniform, students are losing a basic form of passive expression. Even worse is they might start to feel like they have no individuality since everyone is dressed the exact same. Plus as benjamin said, it hardly stops bullying. Bully's will always find a reason to keep bullying, and this wont even mitigate any of that in my honest opinion.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:40:41.8008065-05:00
So it is just a fashion crisis? If there is no uniform, kids will start to wear inappropriate clothing. That is the reason as to why my elementary school had to implement a uniform.
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T18:42:03.9353330-05:00
Hit the nail on the head. I witness that at my school currently. It's a classic case of freedom vs security. Which do you value more? How do you strike a balance between the two, if at all?
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T18:43:51.2484209-05:00
What's worse...A child wearing inappropriate clothing, or a child with a weakened individual spirit?
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:45:11.4329687-05:00
I do not have a weakened individual spirit. I wear my uniform even on dress down days. I see no problem with a uniform.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:45:58.0238598-05:00
You are at school to learn, not to wear short shorts, have exposed shoulders, and open toed shoes.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T18:47:32.1410730-05:00
Of course, I have different views on this topic than the popular teenager view.
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T19:13:36.8143918-05:00
Does mindless conformity not bother you? What happened to thinking for yourself? Your clothing often reflects your mental state. You just want to be another cog in the machine?
SamStevens says2014-10-21T19:16:10.2074752-05:00
Excuse me?
SamStevens says2014-10-21T19:18:58.4701538-05:00
I do think for myself thank you very much.
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T19:24:45.1355278-05:00
I'm sure you do, I'm just saying that uniforms discourage that.
lolpas says2014-10-21T20:53:14.0903213-05:00
@SamStevens No offense, but I don't know where you go to school that the second freedom is allowed it's taken to the extent of inappropriate clothing, but most schools don't have that issue. Generally because most girls hate being pointlessly sexualized (unless they're looking for that, but even then, they seem to know restraints), and most guys are self-aware of their image.
SamStevens says2014-10-21T20:58:26.1806891-05:00
Ben, cloths do not prohibit people from thinking. Lolpas, It was a bunch of 6th, 7th, and 8th graders who wanted to dress like that. As a result, grades 6th and above had to wear a uniform.
benjaminimuffin says2014-10-21T21:02:08.3589502-05:00
It's a uniform. Uniforms are designed limit freedom and promote order. Am I missing something here?
blackkid says2014-10-22T07:12:55.8850921-05:00
Kids are dumb as rocks. "Freedom of expression" is not hindered because you have to wear a suit as an adult.
lolpas says2014-10-22T14:16:47.0653744-05:00
@blackkid That is an unbelievably ignorant statement. Please explain Tristan Pang, Taylor Wilson, Tanishq Abarahm, and the likes of them. If anything, you are proving the statement would only be true if your name replaced the word "kids".
blackkid says2014-10-22T15:01:05.3055426-05:00
@lolpas: It is a reference to the arguments that school uniforms hinder capabilities.
lolpas says2014-10-22T18:13:23.9158755-05:00
@blackkid no one said their capabilities are hindered, just their freedom of expression, exactly what you were refuting.
SamStevens says2014-10-22T18:23:46.3645211-05:00
Ben, "What happened to thinking for yourself?" A uniform does not hinder the process in which your brain thinks.
SamStevens says2014-10-22T18:33:23.5481203-05:00
Why is freedom of expression that important during school lolpas?
lolpas says2014-10-23T08:17:34.1301698-05:00
@SamStevens Because it's when a child's brain developing. If they learn the wrong things, such as not having freedom of expression, they will live their whole lives and be extremely difficult to convince otherwise of those wrong values. An example, there were studies conducted where kittens would be kept in rooms with only vertical lines. When they were older, the kittens were released, and it was discovered that they had not developed the ability to see horizontal planes. Likewise, kittens in rooms with only horizontal lines could not see vertical planes.
SamStevens says2014-10-23T16:11:25.2636729-05:00
Well kids only have to wear a uniform during school hours. They are not raised in only a uniform.
blackkid says2014-10-23T16:13:29.7548649-05:00
I am unsure of whether to fall for this trap, scrutinize the trapper, or disarm the trap itself.
SamStevens says2014-10-23T16:16:45.1654753-05:00
Take your pick.
Renegader says2014-10-23T17:53:21.6032981-05:00
Pure expression of self is the death of conformity
lolpas says2014-10-23T21:07:00.9345404-05:00
@blackkid Care to explain?
RC73 says2014-10-27T15:31:07.8745221-05:00
So let me get this straight. Wearing a uniform to school suppresses your freedom of expression? Why can't you express yourself through your thoughts, your writings, your ideas, etc. Aren't these a lot more important means of expression than your clothing? Plus you have the weekends, the summers and after school to wear whatever you want. If wearing a uniform is adversely affecting a child's mental well being then there are deeper issues than what they are wearing. A dress code may be a better idea than a uniform. Having a teenage son and daughter I know the amount of time dedicated every morning to appearance. This time would be better served sleeping, eating breakfast or engaging with your family rather than primping and preening.
debate_power says2014-10-31T16:36:34.9326260-05:00
I strongly support conformity to guidelines set by authority (wearing a school uniform would probably assist in this), but I support as strongly freethought.

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