Is it really a defensive war?(description in comments)

Posted by: shalal12

  • Yes.

  • No.

38% 3 votes
62% 5 votes
  • It's not even a war it's a one sided fight where u have no arms and legs and u fight the top UFC fighter

  • Its not self defense when you are an occupying power that is stealing land from the indigenous population and denying them their rights. Its essentially if a someone who was being robbed tried to grab his wallet from the robber, and the robber then pulled out a gun and fired. Does the robber have the right to claim "self defense"? NO!

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shalal12 says2015-12-24T16:21:31.3093258Z
Stone VS. Hot bullets! Women and children VS. Tanks and snipers!! 130 civilians are killed by Zionists and 13500 are injured during a couple of months! Palestinians insist that Israel must stop building more buildings in their lands!
stargate says2015-12-24T16:42:02.2795066Z
1.It is not a war. 2. That land is really israels. 3. It is more of terrorists vs the army, while some get caught in the middle.
modysayed1 says2015-12-24T16:42:31.6236709Z
It's not a war it's a one sided fight
modysayed1 says2015-12-24T16:46:14.6455597Z
@stargate the true terrorist are the ones who kills (israel)
shalal12 says2015-12-24T17:32:49.1295037Z
@modysayed1 Indeed
piefav says2015-12-24T17:48:13.3046710Z
Do you mean Palestine's defence or Israel's?
shalal12 says2015-12-24T17:50:25.0399350Z
@piefav , Zionists always claim that they are in defensive war!
piefav says2015-12-24T17:52:35.3273098Z
So voting no, says that I believe that Israel is not acting in defence?
shalal12 says2015-12-24T17:55:35.8055429Z
Yes
stargate says2015-12-24T18:02:07.2850334Z
Israel is not a terrorist, the reason israel troops and police kill is due to massive security threats from nations near them, and terrorists who threaten them from insilde the nation.
shalal12 says2015-12-24T18:13:01.3888404Z
@stargate , The problem is that you dont wanna believe the facts. They are a couple of teenagers and women! 25 of those 130 civilians who are killed are women and 5 of them small children! They dont have guns!!
stargate says2015-12-24T18:19:56.1512635Z
It is basically war, in war there is people who where not meant to die, that do die. It is unfortunately necessary.
triangle.128k says2015-12-24T18:21:24.9224126Z
@shalal12 You always cherry pick, many Israelis are killed by Palestine and Hamas.
shalal12 says2015-12-24T18:21:26.8880000Z
Is it the human right which west claims ?
triangle.128k says2015-12-24T18:30:07.8154607Z
@shalal12 The human rights which the west have a good record with? And how Iran and other Islamist countries disrespect human rights under the name of religion?
BrendanD19 says2015-12-24T18:39:37.9606059Z
What description?
shalal12 says2015-12-24T18:41:30.8825617Z
My first comment: Stone VS. Hot bullets! Women and children VS. Tanks and snipers!! 130 civilians are killed by Zionists and 13500 are injured during a couple of months! Palestinians insist that Israel must stop building more buildings in their lands! Zionists claim that they are in defensive war.
BrendanD19 says2015-12-24T19:23:01.5328579Z
@triangle.128k Since the year 2000, 1,217 Israelis were killed by Palestinians. Meanwhile 9,271 Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the same time. These statistics are from B'Tselem, an Israeli NGO. And since 1967, Israel has destroyed roughly 28,000 Palestinian homes. Palestinians have destroyed 0 Israeli homes. Thats according to the United Nations. And since 1967 Israel has seized more than 750,000 acres land from Palestinians. Palestinians have seized 0 acres of Israeli land, that is according to Americans for Peace Now.
BrendanD19 says2015-12-24T19:23:20.8653923Z
@triangle.128k Since the year 2000, 1,217 Israelis were killed by Palestinians. Meanwhile 9,271 Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the same time. These statistics are from B'Tselem, an Israeli NGO. And since 1967, Israel has destroyed roughly 28,000 Palestinian homes. Palestinians have destroyed 0 Israeli homes. Thats according to the United Nations. And since 1967 Israel has seized more than 750,000 acres land from Palestinians. Palestinians have seized 0 acres of Israeli land, that is according to Americans for Peace Now.
tajshar2k says2015-12-24T22:15:35.2704409Z
More Palestinians have died for sure, but does doesn't mean Israel is the attacker. The issue is a lot more complicated than just blaming one side.
triangle.128k says2015-12-24T23:35:44.2516139Z
@BrendanD19 But Palestine's population is far lower, so there's less people there to kill Israelis. Palestine is poorer and less technologically advanced, so it really balances out with their military.
BrendanD19 says2015-12-24T23:56:00.3536935Z
@Triangle.128k Okay, that argument makes no sense. You say there are fewer Palestinians, so therefore there are fewer of them to kill Israelis, but there are not fewer of them to be killed? That is illogical and contradictory. Secondly, Palestinian security forces are not the ones fighting with Israel, its militias loyal to the various Palestinian political factions (Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Fatah, etc.). They are not an actual military, they are non-state combatants. And Palestine is poor BECAUSE of the occupation. And you make it seem like they are primitive saying they are "less technologically advanced". Its not that they are less technologically advanced as a whole, it is that materials they have access to, and thus use are not as sophisticated as the equipment that the Israeli military has access to. And that doesn't really "balance out", it tips the scale in favor of the occupation!
BrendanD19 says2015-12-24T23:59:38.1338815Z
@ tajshar2k It is only really complicated when it comes to the Palestinian side, where there are dozens of factions, movements and militias. But all of the people killed in those statistics were killed by the Israeli military or Israeli settlers, and they are quite obviously the attacker because THEY'RE AN OCCUPYING FORCE.
tajshar2k says2015-12-25T03:36:50.4912810Z
@BrendanD19 You can't say that, because Palestine technically was not a country back then.
shalal12 says2015-12-25T03:40:10.3260000Z
@BrendanD19 , Nice reasoning. And make sure many of the statistics have been censored and hided. Palestinians believe that Israeli doctors abuses the organs of Palestinian children to cure Israeli. Maryam, the Palestinian girl, for example, who became blind for just her blue eyes. Or a teenage boy who was burned alive by three Jewish Israeli people in an cult!
triangle.128k says2015-12-25T03:44:03.7356304Z
@shalal12 Nope, no stats are censored. The west actually believes in free speech unlike the Iranian government.
shalal12 says2015-12-25T03:47:58.1301379Z
@tajshar2k,, Come on!! Pallistine was a country. It was a trick that USA and it's allies used. They were a nation living in those lands with their rules, cultures, courts, markets and.... Indian Americans also forgot to officially state themselves as a country and Americans put an end to their whole country and built their own on their blood.
mc9 says2015-12-25T04:30:38.3577721Z
I don't see a description
shalal12 says2015-12-25T04:39:59.6253655Z
My first comment: Stone VS. Hot bullets! Women and children VS. Tanks and snipers!! 130 civilians are killed by Zionists and 13500 are injured during a couple of months! Palestinians insist that Israel must stop building more buildings in their lands! Zionists claim that they are in defensive war.
triangle.128k says2015-12-25T05:08:28.6196356Z
@shalal12 What are you even talking about on Indian Americans forming their own country?
58539672 says2015-12-26T04:15:15.3153414Z
@shalal12 Palestine was never a country. Before WW1 it was an Ottoman Colony for nearly 200 years. After that it was a British colony until after WW2. After the war, Egypt took control of Gaza and Jordan took control of the West Bank, until the Six-Day war where they became an occupied territory of Israel, where it remains to this day. Also the native tribes are nations. There are 567 recognized tribes within 22 federally recognized Indian nations that are half independent and half administered by the Bureau of Indian Affairs within the Department of the Interior. Their reservations are technically not part of the United States, so the actual map of the US can be drawn like this | https://nativeheritageproject.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/indian_reservations.gif |
BrendanD19 says2015-12-26T22:37:32.4715404Z
@tajshar2k Actually, under the Same UN resolution that created Israel, a Palestinian state was also set up.
stargate says2015-12-26T23:26:44.9219172Z
Yeah but the arab states didn't really like that so the 1948 war happened as a result. Israel is aways ready for war, and simply can not take chances due to many in the region being threats to them, and would fight them if given the chance.
BrendanD19 says2015-12-26T23:48:22.2740658Z
Actually, in the 21st century Israel is only bordered by one hostile nation, and that nation is in Turmoil (Syria). Egypt and Jordan are now allies and Lebanon is Neutral
stargate says2015-12-27T00:08:04.9952100Z
True, but there are still threats, there is syria, and isis (though only of they really take over syria), along with the terror cells within the nation.

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