Is it reasonable to blame the failure of several non-western nations on European Colonialism?

Posted by: triangle.128k

  • Yes, the western world is primarily more successful due to European colonialism

  • No, there are many factors on why other regions of the Earth aren't as developed as the west

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  • To a certain extant it widened the gap. The Europeans did have access to richer soil as well, however colonialism, while inefficient, did hurt the nations that were "colonized".

  • Sykes Picot Agreement, the Century of Humiliation and Congo Free State are a few examples of the negative impact of Euro Colonialism

  • While developed countries have grown up and thrown imperialism aside, America still immerses itself in it.

    Posted by: reece
  • To say "failure" is wrong in so many ways, for example China had the opportunity to industrialize just as Great Britain did in the early 1800s but they lacked the easily accessible coal necessary for the process, while Britain did not. Or how kingdoms/tribes in Sub-Saharan Africa were blocked from trade by two major geological barriers, the Sahara Desert and the Congo. And if you notice any pattern in history, trade is by far one of the most important aspects a civilization must have in order to survive. Trade equals science, commerce, and the well being of a society... Europe (Arab World, India, China) had access to such trade which gave them an advantage. Another reason why describing non-European states as "failures" is just arrogant is the fact that Europe had many kingdoms all vying to out compete each other, you see this trend in capitalism so basically who ever competes better survives, and in order to compete better you need to innovate which leads to inventions such as the use of gunpowder for weaponry to the steam engine. Now before the 16th century Europe was on par to many societies across the world, there was nothing going for it till the year 1492 when Columbus kicked off the Age of Discovery, allowing the Spanish to taste the fruit of the New World making other European states want a piece too, this lead to the Colombian exchange allowing Europeans to amass new crops such as potatoes and in general making Europe a lot more populous and a whole lot wealthier. And for many of you, you can see wheres this is going, the Industrial Revolution which began in Great Britain would of never happened if there was no New World providing crops which lead to a population boom leading to an urbanization of many Europeans. And to keep the industrial revolution going, nations such as G.B. turned their forks and knifes to Africa and India. India providing many of the raw material needed for the textile factories in G.B. and British protectorates such as North Nigeria providing rubber, Zambia mining copper, to Accra amassing gold. I am not trying to dismiss the accomplishments the Roman Empire has made or the philosophers of the classical era in Greece, what I am trying to say is that Europe 1492 an onward heavily relied on Imperialism for its rapid growth. And stating other non-European nations as "failing" in some way or fashion is just a wrong interpretation of human society outside of Europe. I mean look at East Asia, 40 years ago it was dirt poor, now it is a major region of trade, prosperity, and wealth. And I am sure most of Africa will follow the same path within the next fifty to sixty years. P.S. to all saying the United States is a modern imperialist nation... that is simply not the case.

  • Well, the blame is a lot on them. Not completely, though. I mean, define "success". The former culture of these sh*thole countries didn't really call for "success" in the same use of the term success as European's used: they had different values. But, like I say about the black community's crime and poverty problems now, a lot of the blame goes to the rampant racism among whites of the past, because of the White flight, paying them less money, refusing to hire them and forcing them into cramped neighborhoods in the city, but it is also partly their fault and our modern-day fault, because we're, or some other black people, are the ones who commit the actual crime. Just like it will always be partly the fault of the former colonies of the West that they aren't as successful as they can be

  • Colonialism was over 200 years ago, if people can't get stuff straightened out and learn how to advance things and blame their failures on some 200 year old stuff, then they're just retarded.

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triangle.128k says2015-10-05T23:15:57.4573130Z
@reece That's why USA has the 5th highest HDI, totally undeveloped country right there.
reece says2015-10-05T23:20:10.0090846Z
XD
reece says2015-10-05T23:24:30.5444146Z
@triangle.128k It's all propaganda. It's like that poll obama mentioned about America being the most respected country.
triangle.128k says2015-10-05T23:29:35.0554626Z
@reece That's just pathetic, declaring any statistics in favor of the USA as "propaganda." Next you're going to say "Harvard is a bad university because it's in America, it's just seen as good due to propaganda!"
reece says2015-10-05T23:33:13.2024647Z
@triangle.128k I'm saying it's fabricated.
reece says2015-10-05T23:39:02.1596278Z
Ask your government, i'm sure they'll be honest ;)
triangle.128k says2015-10-05T23:43:31.3525022Z
@reece The UN sure is the american government alright.
triangle.128k says2015-10-05T23:43:44.7376165Z
Dang UN and their pro-american propaganda.
reece says2015-10-05T23:44:39.4630657Z
XD I know right.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-05T23:45:23.9039777Z
@triangle.128k and Zi0nist propoganda too.
triangle.128k says2015-10-05T23:45:37.5414934Z
Yet you're Pro-UN and Pro-Obama on your big issues...
UtherPenguin says2015-10-05T23:51:10.4957186Z
This UtherPenguin guy mist be a huge idiot eh?
reece says2015-10-05T23:53:24.6688990Z
@triangle.128k jokes aside, America is like a child in a sandbox.
triangle.128k says2015-10-06T00:02:44.8935078Z
@reece Great way of dodging my argument.
58539672 says2015-10-06T00:03:13.0357274Z
@reece Your right, the US is like a child. We never were as good at the whole Imperialist thing as our predecessors in Europe. The way they conquered most of the world, demolished any sense of unity and culture, and killed untold amounts of people is simply awe inspiring.
reece says2015-10-06T00:15:56.4514343Z
@triangle.128k When i'm serious i don't do faces.
reece says2015-10-06T00:17:26.6198563Z
@58539672 You're appealing to consequence. I suggest you do a Reevaluation.
reece says2015-10-06T00:22:59.4779226Z
@58539672 Better yet, ask me what i meant.
triangle.128k says2015-10-06T00:29:25.4962483Z
@reece So if you're being serious, would you care to genuinely disprove the UN?
reece says2015-10-06T00:30:52.2784920Z
@triangle.128k About what?
triangle.128k says2015-10-06T00:33:25.5475095Z
@reece That the US isn't the 5th most developed country in the world?
reece says2015-10-06T00:37:27.1875609Z
@triangle.128k If i was being serious then i would probably try to. But i'm not.
triangle.128k says2015-10-06T00:45:12.4686949Z
Then care to explain how America is "imperialist" or explain why you dislike the US?
reece says2015-10-06T01:19:47.6596765Z
@triangle.128k I don't feel like debating just to debate. That's why i shut people down as fast i can. For the imperialism thing i have a hypothesis. Just to clarify. I dislike the US government.
reece says2015-10-06T01:21:32.4442048Z
/military–industrial complex.
triangle.128k says2015-10-06T01:23:36.7266067Z
Your "hypothesis" is about as accurate as Creationism.
reece says2015-10-06T01:31:07.7799169Z
@triangle.128k I'm not claiming that it's true and plus i haven't even given any details. You seem more emotional than you dad when he sings dancing queen in the mirror while in drag, on Estradiol.
reece says2015-10-06T01:31:27.3733913Z
Your*
reece says2015-10-06T01:41:02.0955075Z
I did say it was a hypothesis...

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