Okay, so how is Israel so bad when the people of Palestine voted in Hamas for their leadership.. Not to mention the fact, Israel did warn the innocent people of Palestine to leave with a significant amount of time before they started bombing Hamas's secret tunnels.
Furthermore, what about the threat Hamas will pose to the United States if ISIS and them collaborate on a plan to attack the United States since many of the terrorist in ISIS are from European countries that don't require VISAS in order to come to the United States?
Explain how it doesn't matter who you support? You mean to tell me by not doing nothing and picking no sides is going to help the situation? No. It can't and it will not. Sanctions only go so far and wouldn't matter since Palestine is receiving a lot of support from Iran and ISIS.
The only problem is Palestine is Hamas's government and if there was a two state solution with Hamas, then imagine consequences of this.. Furthermore, why is it we aren't doing much in these international conflicts?? I mean sanctions aren't working, we send old maps, stale food, and faulty guns to Ukraine.. In return we offer help to pinpoint the Russian rebels.. But, that is it? What are we doing?? This is like letting multiple infectious wounds fester and turn into MRSA.
The problem is, as Haroush has pointed out, Hamas members are elected to office in Palestine. While we scratch our heads at the idea, keep in mind that Hezbollah has its members in Lebanon's government. Sein Finn is the political arm of the IRA, in Ireland. Apparently, having ties to terrorism doesn't always end careers. Instead, it builds new ones. Remember when Yassar Arafat (founder of the PLO & the Bin Laden of his day) was elected President in Palestine? Even here, in the good old U.S. of A., we have elected former members of known hate-groups (K*K) to elected office. So, while we may not clearly understand Hamas or why anyone placed them in "leadership", we must recognize them diplomatically & try to work toward peace with both sides. In other words, walk a tight-rope!
... Because Obama isn't in control of Hamas, lol. Hamas was illegally elected in violation of the Oslo Accords, but so long as they're supported by the Palestinians in the West Bank, we don't have much sway over them
Are you kidding me? Those people in Palestine Chose to accept Hamas.. Besides the civilians that are still there, have no good reason to be there as they were given a significant amount of time to leave..
Haroush ... I sympathize with how you feel about Hamas, but we can't select the leaders of other countries. So, diplomatically, we must work with them. Hamas isn't the first terrorist group to put members in leadership. They won't be the last. Likewise, we must try to maintain open-channels with dictators who aren't choir boys, i.e. Kim Jong-un. Then, you have leaders who suddenly behave badly, i.e. Putin. When we force one from power, we sometimes get more than we bargained for, i.e. Saddam/Iraq. Foreign Affairs isn't as simple as separating two kids on the playground.
I believe the leaders of Hamas should be secretly killed and let the people of Palestine choose a new leader.. Besides, it's been said Hamas forced some of those people to stay there and had the elections rigged.
Honestly, we should make another deck of cards out of the Hamas leaders, fly drones over there, and blow their asses up! Also, do you say the same thing about ISIS despite the fact they are doing an ethnic cleansing?
This is partly the reason that I'm atheist. When it comes down to it, religious people don't practice what they preach. Islam preaches peace, Christianity preaches peace, Judaism preaches peace, but in the end we're all ready and willing to kill each other anyway
Umm.. Sorry, you all are wrong... There are no extremist Christian groups like that of ISIS going around forcing people to convert to Christianity or die... Neither is there extremist Jewish groups going around doing this either..
I will say this though.. Every group of people have had their fair share of atrocities.. The Jews during the era of Herod, The Muslims of today aren't making their best place in history, and Christians most atrocious times were during Ancient Rome. Atheist most atrocious times were during the Civil War in the United States, WW1 and 2.... What about Stalin? What about a lot of people? Remember the perfect Christian isn't Christian's themselves, but Jesus Christ.. The leader of the Messianic movement.. Yeshua Hamashiach
It is as simple as the Jewish people have owned this land of Palestine much longer than Palestine has even existed which is because of the Ancient Romans who named that piece of land Palestine after Israel's arch enemy as an insult.
@Haroush No, Christians used to be amazing horrible. There was everything from the crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to anti-Jewishness. Most of that has ended now because Christianity became fused with the Western powers and became more advanced and civilized with said western powers. Christianity still has its extreme sects, including those within the US that preach hatred towards groups such as the LGBT community.
Islam, as it has always been deeply entrenched in the middle-east and Eastern-Europe, which haven't yet advanced in the same way as most of the western powers. This has resulted in it remaining a violent religion.
The problem is rooted in religion, but the blame is not equally spread. When it comes to the Gaza Strip, as I have explained before, primarily lies on the Islamic extremists of Hamas. Israel's killing of civilians is saddening, but it is a direct result of Hamas' crude methods. Firing rockets at Israel, storing and firing their weapons in civilian areas, using Palestinians as human shields, and spending their money on terror tunnels as opposed to on the protection of their citizens has all led to Israel's response. I refer you to my multiple responses to you in the past. In short, the deaths are sad, but unless Hamas agrees to permanently stop endangering civilians on both sides, to amend their charter as to exclude the anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli sentiments found within it, and then comes to the bargaining table as Fatah has done already, they are going to be more or less an inevitable and justified tragedy.
No, we really don't have to recognize Hamas as a democratically elected organization. They were elected illegally in violation of the Oslo Accord, have broken multiple international agreements, and continue to threaten and attack one of our most important allies. We might not like the supreme leader of Iran, but we accept him in a diplomatic sense because he was elected legally and has yet to break national agreements. Hamas, on the other hand, is not a group that we must, or even should, recognize as a legitimate authority.
And Haroush, the bible, nor any other religious text, is ever going to be a valid argument for why Israel is in the right. There are many reasons as to why they mostly are, but texts that were written thousands of years ago without any certifiable proof to back them up are not among them.
@Haroush Oh, and that little tangent about the American Civil War and the Soviet Union are entirely invalid. Atheism had almost nothing to do with the American Civil War. While the Soviet Union was an Atheist society, its atheist leanings had absolutely nothing to do with the atrocities committed by the likes of Stalin.
And that's not really true. Fatah is fighting for an independent Palestine. Be that a good idea or not, it isn't just about land with Fatah, it is about the independence of a people. When it comes to Hamas, they're fighting like a child for land. When it comes to Israel in general, they're usually just fighting for peace.
No, Christians used to be amazing horrible. There was everything from the crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to anti-Jewishness. Most of that has ended now because Christianity became fused with the Western powers and became more advanced and civilized with said western powers. Christianity still has its extreme sects, including those within the US that preach hatred towards groups such as the LGBT community. Islam, as it has always been deeply entrenched in the middle-east and Eastern-Europe, which haven't yet advanced in the same way as most of the western powers. This has resulted in it remaining a violent religion. @ Seido, Most of the time when Christians are being accused of preaching hate against LGBT's, it is bogus.. The only group I know of that is like that is the Westboro Baptist Church.. Other than that, there may be a few others, but that is it. Despite the hate, I haven't seen any Christian groups going around saying convert or die... By the way, explain to me how Christians were involved with the Spanish Inquisition?
@Haroush Anti-LGBT feelings and anti-LGBT preachers are fairly prominent and common within the Christian world. It can range from outright bigotry to those that argue against gay marriage based off of Christian notions. And you're kidding about the Spanish Inquisition, right? It was entirely fueled by Christianity. Feel free to read the Wikipedia article on it for some of the basics, lol.
As was stated earlier, Christianity has evolved with western nations and therefore no longer has the same grasp over politics as it once did. However, it was only a few hundred years ago that Christianity had a vast amount of control over both European nations and the US. It still has an effect over public policy, such as with gay marriage, but a while ago it had much more control.
Actually, today's problems in Israel started about 2000 years ago when Romans took away their land. Now, flash-forward to the end of WWII. The UN declared that the Jews would have a homeland in Palestine. They voted to divide the land. While the Jews were pleased, the Arab community felt robbed. An invasion by Arab nations followed. When an armistice finally came in '49, Israel had more land ... Jordan had the West Bank ... Egypt had Gaza ... And Jerusalem was divided. Palestinians were screwed. The PLO was founded and the terrorism began.
If you think about it, both Israel & Palestine were screwed. Israel took their biggest hit, when the land was taken from them nearly 2,000 years ago. They waited centuries to get it back. Palestinians, meanwhile, made the land their home when it was under British control. After WWII, the land is divided among the stronger players and the Palestinians are left without a home. In this unending political tug-of-war, both sides have suffered losses of loved ones & property. Both have taken a screwing. Unfortunately, neither has learned from that and/or shows interest in co-existing peacefully.
Haroush ... You are right about the Saudis. Many members of the royal family are known to financially support terrorism. It could become a huge safe-haven for terrorists, in the future -- assuming that hasn't already happened!