Is it unkind to call people idiots based on their beliefs?

Posted by: mishapqueen

A reaction to the "Are people idiots if they think it's not natural to be gay?" poll by reece.

  • Yes it is unkind. We should be respectful, yet disagreeing.

  • It's fine to call them idiots. They deserve it.

79% 49 votes
21% 13 votes
  • Idiot and bigot are both terrible words.

  • If you disagree with a person's personal beliefs, then that's all there is to it. Insulting them for it is just rude.

  • Even if their belief is idiotic, by telling them they're an idiot, you're hurting them. More often than not they will not change their beliefs in the face of insults, so nothing positive is gleaned from calling them an idiot.

  • Outright calling anyone an idiot is disrespectful, regardless of whether or not the person was truly being an idiot. To call a person an idiot based on his/her beliefs is even worse-we all have freedom of religion and that should be respected.

  • Even if someones belief sounds idiotic to you, try and understand that person's viewpoint before calling a person an offensive name. Honestly, I find it quite immature to outright call someone an offensive name just because their belief is different from yours or you are not able to comprehend why that person feels the way he or she does. If you don't understand someone's belief just ask that person what has persuaded him or her in their belief on a topic.

  • if u has nuthing nice 2 say, don say anything at all

  • Some people think that a belief in something like Santa is reason enough to belittle someone, but I disagree. First of all, I live in America, which grants e the freedom of believing in whatever I please without persecution by the government or society. Secondly, if he belief in Santa makes someone a happier, more pleasant person, wouldn't you rather keep hem that way? Why spoil their childlike innocence with negativity. Thirdly, it is very possible to disagree with someone in a pleasant way that results in little conflict. Don't go starting trouble wen neither of the disagreeing parties are planning to give in.

  • Atheists will burn in the hellfire, their faces will scold, their intestines will disintegrate and their eyes will explode. That fire is 70x times hotter than the worldly fire and if they will be dipped in this fire they will forget all their luxury that they have in this world.

  • There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone but it is wrong to attack someone for minding their own business.

  • It's not "unkind" to call somebody an idiot if they put a belief over reality & facts. If you try clinging to a belief despite facts telling you that you're wrong, you're an idiot, stupid or whatever word you're like to use to describe a lack of common sense or intelligence.

  • If people decide to hold onto ridiculous superstitions, then yes. This also can apply to religion since many people view their religion to be the right one while there are other religions that go against their religion and etc.

  • Some people out there have crazy and irrational beliefs that do not deserve respect, take the KKK and ISIS for example, they are radical immoral idiots whose opinions are not worth my time to even begin trying to comprehend.

  • Depends on the opinion. If simple science and logic proves them wrong, then yes. If their beliefs can be proven to be false, still keeping them is idiotic.

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briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:39:27.3046872-05:00
Idiots believe in idiotic things, like talking snakes and evil fruit.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:40:32.3971100-05:00
Or that nothing became unstable and exploded into a well-ordered universe.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:41:11.2567100-05:00
Texans14, those words are only offensive to people who fit them.
reece says2014-07-10T22:41:23.8560511-05:00
Idiots believe genocide is okay because "god" did it..
texans14 says2014-07-10T22:44:30.8172367-05:00
Briantheliberal, the word bigot is used highly and almost only by liberal democrats. It's wrong to call a group of people "bigots".
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-07-10T22:44:41.1450325-05:00
Depends on the belief. If it is an idiotic belief, then it is fine to call them an idiot.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:44:43.9063918-05:00
Or that nothing magically created the universe in seven days.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:44:48.5086573-05:00
Reece, that comment does not sound very "tolerant"...... :)
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:45:38.4847100-05:00
Texans14, if the shoe fits, don't get mad because you chose to wear it.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:46:04.1935100-05:00
Brian, slight correction. We believe God created the universe. At least we have an actor....
reece says2014-07-10T22:46:24.5671100-05:00
Mishapqueen :science doesn't have a static belief on the universe,once there's a better answer that fits the laws of nature then we will change our understanding...
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:47:45.8275100-05:00
Reece: I have seen that is only true to a certain extent.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:47:51.1471100-05:00
Yes, a god that came from nothing. A god that you haven't seen, heard and no evidence to support.
texans14 says2014-07-10T22:48:17.0275100-05:00
Briantheliberal, the shoe would only fit me the way you see it.
reece says2014-07-10T22:48:48.6124569-05:00
Mishapqueen: we can't be tolerant of Christianity,it's held humanity back hundreds of years if not thousands. And what is the content?
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:48:59.0645909-05:00
Texans14, nope the shoe fits because you choose to act like a bigot. That has nothing to do with me.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:50:10.7515843-05:00
Reece: So Christians are supposed to be tolerant of atheists, and atheists are exempt from being tolerant of atheists?
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:51:10.7027686-05:00
Brian: I have as much evidence of God as you have for the Big Bang.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:51:43.9777819-05:00
That depends on what you mean by "tolerant".. Technecally I am tolerant of Christians, until they assert their "faith" into education and the law. Keep it in Sunday school, I wouldn't want my children brainwashed on school grounds by mythology.
texans14 says2014-07-10T22:51:50.5766242-05:00
My point is, only my opposition thinks I'm a bigot. I don't "choose" to act like a bigot. You chose to call me that.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:52:11.1795453-05:00
And how much evidence would that be?
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:52:18.3555453-05:00
Correction. I meant: are atheists exempt from being tolerant of Christians.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:52:37.0287453-05:00
I choose to call you that because you choose to act that way.
reece says2014-07-10T22:52:57.6207453-05:00
Mishapqueen : Do you have a compelling argument that would lead us to believe that we need theism if not,that is true.
texans14 says2014-07-10T22:54:35.4852813-05:00
I don't wake up in the morning and say, "I am going to act like a bigot today." You choose to call me that only because you fundamentally disagree with me.
discomfiting says2014-07-10T22:55:03.5030609-05:00
What is even the point of this poll? Nobody is going to change their opinion and it just goes around and around in a circle.
reece says2014-07-10T22:56:03.9534484-05:00
Discomfiting i find it fun :P
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T22:56:20.7391560-05:00
Reece, I don't think you would consider my responses compelling. Christian have to put up with atheists brainwashing their kids. This tolerance idea is sounding like a double standard.
reece says2014-07-10T22:57:34.4024276-05:00
Mishapqueen People are born athiests believe it or not (lack of faith in god/gods)
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:58:00.0584911-05:00
Texans14 that doesn't even make logical sense. It's not just about disagreement, it's about actions. For example, I disagree with people being anti-gay, but that doesn't make you a bigot. You become a bigot when you force your anti-gay opinions on anyone else.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T22:58:44.4410601-05:00
How exactly do atheists brainwash their children?
reece says2014-07-10T22:58:52.6203262-05:00
(lack of belief in god/gods) i mean)
texans14 says2014-07-10T22:59:26.8777066-05:00
And you force your opinions on me when you call me a bigot.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:00:50.1162713-05:00
Reece: That is debatable! :) Brian: The public schools are a prime example. Christian kids are ridiculed for their beliefs. Their teachers are doing the best they can to undermine the kids' beliefs.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:00:51.7099628-05:00
Texans14, how so? Because explain how you choosing to be a bigot makes me a bigot?
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:02:17.5095048-05:00
Oh please, you sound like any other Christian crying about being persecuted because they aren't allowed to force their beliefs on other people.
texans14 says2014-07-10T23:02:23.2493915-05:00
I never said it makes you a bigot. But when you call me a bigot, you bring yourself to my level.
reece says2014-07-10T23:03:17.2877915-05:00
Mishapqueen: the catholic church used to burn people at the stake who challenges their beliefs of the universe and it didn't take much to.. Haha it's pay back b!T6h
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:04:15.5225915-05:00
Texans14, so you openly admit or proclaim that you are on a lower level?
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:04:54.3977915-05:00
Reece, you need to change your profile summaries. It is no longer accurate.
texans14 says2014-07-10T23:07:25.2508464-05:00
I never said lower. I implied different.
reece says2014-07-10T23:08:09.4757915-05:00
Mishapqueen ...? I'm gone to do the dishes
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:09:46.4317514-05:00
That is not quite what you implied. But that aside, if you fit the definition of a bigot, then you are. Bigotry is based on intolerance. And by the way, you are aware that I haven't called you a bigot?
texans14 says2014-07-10T23:11:31.3553915-05:00
Again, I never said you did.
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:12:01.0577915-05:00
I'm just making sure that you understand that fact.
texans14 says2014-07-10T23:13:02.8025915-05:00
I'll probably have to me more specific. I meant my opposition sometimes calls me that. My apologies if you misunderstood.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:18:27.5982227-05:00
Reece, I have not seen any tolerance, lack of bias, or sympathy, in this conversation. Since I believed your profile I was surprised to see the word called me. I consider it inappropriate.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:19:03.4139987-05:00
*word you called me.
SamStevens says2014-07-10T23:19:31.8702227-05:00
What word did he call you?
briantheliberal says2014-07-10T23:22:50.5674227-05:00
All I am saying is that the point is people who believe in nonsense, blatantly deny facts, favor superstition, and refuse to acknowledge evidence deserve to be called idiots for it. As harsh as it may be, some people simply aren't capable of using logic which makes them idiotic. I don't care what you believe, facts are indisputable. And I like to tell it like it is, and that's how it is.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:26:38.1541146-05:00
SamStevens: See for yourself. It is a word used for a female dog
reece says2014-07-10T23:29:30.1753146-05:00
Mishapqueen, at least i'm not burning you at the stake..
SamStevens says2014-07-10T23:29:47.8228064-05:00
Mishapqueen: You mean "b!T6h". It is just a 'b', an exclamation mark, a captial 'T', a '6' and, a 'h'. I do not see the word you are fishing for.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:30:56.5369146-05:00
Reece: I am Protestant, and I am not responsible for the mistakes of the Catholic church.
reece says2014-07-10T23:32:04.2450003-05:00
But you are all under the same god aren't you...?
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:32:07.2363822-05:00
SamStevens: !=i and 6=c. I'm not writing it straight out because it is not a word I like to repeat in any context.
SamStevens says2014-07-10T23:33:18.7160404-05:00
That is just your interpretation of what he typed. I just see random characters typed from a key board.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:34:22.7232507-05:00
SamStevens: I hope you are correct and I am mistaken.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:35:01.8966615-05:00
Reece, God never told the Catholics to burn anyone on the stake.
reece says2014-07-10T23:35:03.5814507-05:00
Mishapqueen, are you going to answer me?
discomfiting says2014-07-10T23:35:18.6509541-05:00
http://media.tumblr.com/332c36925b0de4f4ccb4d61bb36a7f39/tumblr_inline_mgjxa12UHg1roqm64.jpg
reece says2014-07-10T23:36:43.9664377-05:00
Mishapqueen, how do you know? Gods told people to go on shooting sprees...
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:36:55.5734175-05:00
Reece, it is the same God.
SamStevens says2014-07-10T23:38:28.7366175-05:00
Mishapqueen "Reece, it is the same God." Yet people have so many different views of the same god and so many different interpretations of the same literature.
mishapqueen says2014-07-10T23:39:17.6738175-05:00
Yes, that is true.
reece says2014-07-10T23:40:05.1128377-05:00
Mishapqueen , that gods told people to go on shooting sprees? LOL
discomfiting says2014-07-10T23:47:52.1643880-05:00
God tells people to kill the all the time. Like when he told Abraham to kill Issac as a sacrifice. If the bible is the word of god, then it also says to kill witches, homosexuals, fortunetellers, adulterants, nonbelievers, false Prophets, followers of other religions, anybody that works on the Sabbath, smashing baby's skulls into rocks and the list goes on. Not only does God love to tell people to kill, he LOVES to kill. Assuming you know the mythology about the plague of the first born in Egypt where God killed the first born sons. Or when he flooded the Earth and killed all the people except for a handful of people.
reece says2014-07-10T23:49:04.1710600-05:00
Discomfiting , thank you :)
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T07:29:39.5133184-05:00
Idiot is a copout insult, often used because you don't understand someone's logic or interpretation. If I carefully consider my personal philosophy & beliefs, and make a conscious decision to subscribe to these beliefs, then that is my personal choice. I have no right to call you an idiot for choosing not to believe in the supernatural, and you have no right to call me an idiot for choosing to believe in the supernatural.
reece says2014-07-11T07:49:34.9235165-05:00
Craighawley215 :Yes, in general the word idiot is normally used as a copout insult but by those less educated.You're basing your argument on everyone's equally intelligent which is sternly not the case.
reece says2014-07-11T07:54:16.8054829-05:00
Certainly*
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T07:57:41.3994829-05:00
@Reece Not exactly. I'm not attempting to argue that we are all at the same level of intelligence. What I am trying to convey is that the people who may potentially call me an idiot may only do so because they fail to grasp my logic. It could be that I am actually less educated, or it could be that I am more educated. There's really no difference.
reece says2014-07-11T08:05:24.6416311-05:00
Craighawley215: So it's your assumption?
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T08:12:01.9913395-05:00
@Reece I apologize I'm not sure what you mean by "so its your assumption?"
reece says2014-07-11T08:24:46.7490083-05:00
Craighawley215 :Sorry i should of made it clearer.You're assuming that one may not understand your claims even though they fully could...
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T09:06:52.9272681-05:00
Yes and no. Logic is subjective. Belief in the supernatural makes logical sense in my mind, but in your mind, perhaps disbelief in the supernatural makes more sense. That doesn't necessarily mean that we don't have the capacity to understand each other's logic. It means that we think differently. Hypothetically, you and I could both have precisely the same level of intelligence, and have different beliefs regarding the supernatural. In this case, if we wanted to be hostile, you could justifiably suggest that I am an idiot for believing in God, and I could likewise suggest that you are an idiot for not believing in God. Neither of us would actually be accurate in these comments, we would just be expressing our disagreements in a hostile manner, because we don't think the same way.
reece says2014-07-11T09:24:46.6175241-05:00
Craighawley215 : *sigh*.Hypothetically i wouldn't just call you an idiot for your belief in a god, though i would call you one if you arrogantly placed belief over observational facts and other evidence, etc. Just read discomfiting answer up top.
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T09:44:30.7367543-05:00
@Reece I wouldn't assume that you would call me an idiot for my belief, especially given the civility of our conversation. And I also hope that you understand that I have no desire to be arrogant about my beliefs. I do not use my beliefs to disregard science, as you appear to be inferring, and I would even suggest that more believers and nonbelievers alike should do exponentially more homework on what they believe.
reece says2014-07-11T09:48:43.5305692-05:00
Craighawley215: So in that case would you agree the word idiot is acceptable?
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T10:02:43.4093491-05:00
@Reece No, I think a more appropriate label is uneducated, unmotivated, misguided, or even unimaginative. I honestly don't think it makes sense to call someone an idiot, mainly because 9 times out of 10, people aren't idiots, they simply do or say idiotic things. Which, I'm sure, is what many people think of me for believing in the existence of the supernatural.
reece says2014-07-11T10:12:14.8964871-05:00
Craighawley215: Most people consider words inappropriate/appropriate because they put emotional attachments on them. "people aren't idiots, they simply do or say idiotic things"? What you do or say defines who you are. Why do you believe in the supernatural?
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T10:27:43.2934286-05:00
@Reece That is fair. I meant say or do more in terms of a momentary/short term way, but you are exactly right. Actions and words do make us who we are. The reason that I believe in the supernatural is because I simply believe that there is more to our universe than we can observe. I do not believe that human science has the capacity to explain every phenomenon in the known universe, much less the unknown universe. There is an infinite universe which humans have practically no knowledge about, and by my logic, it is easier to believe that there is some other force out there, in whatever form it may be, than to believe that humans can scientifically explain and justify every occurrence in the universe. I perceive supernatural and scientific theories to be a loose partnership, not explicitly linked, but also not mutually exclusive. Now, in return, I would politely ask why you choose to disbelieve in the existence of the supernatural?
reece says2014-07-11T11:03:14.4195946-05:00
Craighawley215: I thank you for your rationality.I'm a naturalism believer. Through out history we have defied odds on where we stand in the the universe, intellectually/technologically/evolutionary. Humanity's moral stances on life continue to expand. People have doubted that we would ever go to the moon.But look at all our achievements as a species we've acomplished.While history has shown we will continue to pursue and extend our knowledge of the cosmos.If there was one thing being human has taught me (transmutation). Can i show you the most beautiful put video i have ever seen http://youtu.be/9D05ej8u-gU
Craighawley215 says2014-07-11T11:41:55.3614210-05:00
@Reece Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy Neil Degrasse Tyson. The guy seems like one of the most well rounded and intellectually brilliant scientists of all time. Not to mention, he seems like a genuinely interesting person. And now that you and I have both shared our thoughts on this issue, I wish you the best of luck and hope that we both come away stimulated.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T17:16:31.7064614-05:00
Discomfiting and Reece, it is not that God loves to kill, it is that he hates sin. Sin needs to be paid for by blood. Every killing was a punishment for sin. Jesus died to stop all that. Also, Catholics burnt Protestants at the stakes, so don't act like it was only atheists who got that type of treatment. I hope I have not offended either of you.
reece says2014-07-11T18:07:48.6718307-05:00
Craighawley215:I'm glad you agree, it was very nice talking to you too :). Mishapqueen: Death is part of his plan for the all powerful and knowing god that I've come to understand, if you're talking about the christian god that is...
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:09:43.0976650-05:00
I am a Christian, so yes, I am talking about the Christian God. What do you mean by "death is part of his plan?"
reece says2014-07-11T18:15:23.8330307-05:00
Mishapqueen: Gods all knowing thus he knew everything that was/is to happen in the universe before it was even created. Now look at all the mass extinctions/genocides,torture,old age, etc
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:16:45.0622307-05:00
Reece: Death is a result of sin. Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit and sinned against God. God is not responsible for death and sin. We chose it. It is our fault.
reece says2014-07-11T18:18:30.5831829-05:00
Mishapqueen: God already knew that adam would pick to eat it (all knowing)
reece says2014-07-11T18:19:59.2355531-05:00
Mishapqueen: what if their wasn't death lol http://youtu.be/A_a6RjR_AHY
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:27:43.3068344-05:00
I unfortunately couldn't finish the video. If you have a problem with sharp teeth, check out this dangerous monster: http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9405000/9405863.stm
reece says2014-07-11T18:32:07.0421250-05:00
Mishapqueen: You missed out the hole point of the video
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:33:08.7405205-05:00
That's because I couldn't finish it. It had too many "holes."
reece says2014-07-11T18:35:52.5845538-05:00
Mishapqueen: What "holes"? Could you please finish it so that you can make a gripping argument...
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:36:41.9741538-05:00
I'll try, but it is really, really disrespectful and offensive.
reece says2014-07-11T18:39:18.5055433-05:00
Mishapqueen: It wouldn't be disrespectful and offensive if you knew your belief was really true.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:43:39.7596769-05:00
I watched it. What do you want me to get out of it?
reece says2014-07-11T18:48:34.1628769-05:00
Mishapqueen: That's why god planned is plan around death..
reece says2014-07-11T18:53:19.9882957-05:00
His*
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:54:07.4576197-05:00
He did not. That video is inaccurate and takes things out of context.
reece says2014-07-11T18:55:21.0456499-05:00
Mishapqueen: out of context? How?
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T18:58:51.7066957-05:00
Reece, God did not create it for death. The tree was place in the garden to give us a choice, and there was tons of different trees to choose from, and they deliberately did wrong. God did not place the snake in the tree, Satan fell from heaven and was trying to ruin God's creation. Shall I go on?
reece says2014-07-11T18:59:59.3014957-05:00
Mishapqueen; yes please...
reece says2014-07-11T19:03:40.2762456-05:00
Mishapqueen: Is what you say relevant if your god if all knowing and powerful?
reece says2014-07-11T19:05:37.9594617-05:00
Is*
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:06:32.8246617-05:00
Reece, I found it interesting that the "angel" was voicing the same rebellion that Satan had. God spoke to Adam about the tree, and Adam told Eve. God brought the animals to show Adam the difference between man and beast. I don't understand what your second means. Note: you never responded to my teeth point.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:06:49.3650577-05:00
*second question
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:10:31.7119442-05:00
If I may step in here about sharp teeth, a cat has sharp teeth. And when a cat was fed a vegan diet it almost died. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/kitten-vegan-diet-nearly-dies_n_3644213.html
reece says2014-07-11T19:11:19.3228390-05:00
Mishapqueen: I didn't know your teeth question was a question sorry
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:11:57.8545920-05:00
Sam, yes, but my point is that sharp teeth does not necessarily mean meat-eater.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:12:40.6919174-05:00
Reece, no problem. I wasn't very clear. Mea Culpa.
reece says2014-07-11T19:12:57.8518074-05:00
Mishapqueen:It can also me omnivore
reece says2014-07-11T19:13:24.2298113-05:00
Mean*
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:15:14.2110905-05:00
So you are saying a meat eating dinosaur had a vegetarian diet? That by itself is hard to believe. Just because an animal has sharp teeth to eat fruit does not mean all animals who have sharp teeth can eat fruit. It is just like saying that since whales has tails for swimming, a monkey can use its tail in the same manner. It does not work.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:15:15.6462905-05:00
Reece: True, but we cannot make the assumption that it only means carnivore. Some scientists think that the T-rex was originally a fruit eater, and then became a scavenger after the fall.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:15:55.0986905-05:00
Which scientists?
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:18:20.7558905-05:00
Sam: Creation scientists. I'll see if I can find a link. They are from the ICR and Answers in Genesis crowd.
reece says2014-07-11T19:18:36.3721079-05:00
Mishapqueen: Canine teeth normally means there has been a carnivores ancestor. The t-rex would of been a different species to what you're talking about
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:19:21.6901079-05:00
Sam: Here you go:http://www.Icr.Org/article/tyrannosaurus-rex-scavenger-or-predator/
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:21:56.6449079-05:00
Reece: You're right. The fruit bat was only an example.
reece says2014-07-11T19:24:27.0133079-05:00
Mishapqueen: I'll do some research on the fruit bat
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:25:01.1149079-05:00
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130821124333.htm This sources states that crocodiles par-take in occasional fruit consumption, along with a heavy diet of meat. Also, http://www.icr.org/ as a lot of scientific and old earth creations's criticism.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:25:13.1425079-05:00
Reece: ok.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T19:27:45.1645079-05:00
Sam, I'm afraid I don't understand your point.
reece says2014-07-11T19:28:26.3799016-05:00
Mishapqueen :Dogs and cats Occasionally eat grass but it's to clean out their digestive system via vomiting.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:29:32.2294084-05:00
My point is that they don't live off vegetables. If anything, that cat is a prime example. I'd be surprised if crocodiles can survive on an exclusive diet of fruit and things of that nature. If they are anything like that cat, and other carnivores, they would be malnourished if fed a strict vegetable diet.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:31:56.2018084-05:00
You really can't say that since a fruit bat has sharp teeth, therefore all meat eaters can live off of fruit/veggies. A whale has a tail, and so does a monkey. But a monkey's tail is no use in open waters. Just as a whale's tail has no business in the jungle.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:40:29.3792310-05:00
Personally, I'd think going after fruit is a much safer strategy than going after other organisms that can put the hurt on you. How come a lion goes not eat the grass that surrounds him in the savanna but rather would go after a wildebeest, which can, with a well placed hoof, cripple the lion? After all, a lion can survive purely on vegetation, right?
reece says2014-07-11T19:41:34.4024078-05:00
Mishapqueen :It's more to do with the digestive system though... Sharp teeth of the fruit bat could of been a relic that actually turned out to be quite beneficial for them to use, biting into hard fruit etc
reece says2014-07-11T19:43:51.2769674-05:00
Mishapqueen: Their jaw muscles would probably been to weak if they had blunt teeth
SamStevens says2014-07-11T19:44:38.3418657-05:00
@reece: That actually makes sense, sharp teeth for biting and ripping open the fruit's harder shell.
reece says2014-07-11T19:56:24.4447439-05:00
Mishapqueen: i guess this case is solved :P
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T20:11:48.0442772-05:00
Reece and Sam: The fall changed everything. I think that the animals habits changed as a result of the fall. That's why they prefer eating meat to eating plants.
reece says2014-07-11T20:13:40.6775402-05:00
Mishapqueen:IDK? Facts tell me other wise..
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:13:56.6818772-05:00
Out of curiosity, you are basing that on what the bible says about the fall?
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T20:17:22.1363182-05:00
Sam: Yes, I am. The article on the T-rex explains the reasoning quite well. http://www.icr.org/article/tyrannosaurus-rex-scavenger-or-predator/
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:17:25.8622772-05:00
If so, the bible is the claim, not the evidence. Here: http://youredamnedtohell.com/the-bible-claim-evidence/ Also, in our forum discussion, I have presented evidence that shows that the biblical Adam and Eve did not exist, just based on genetics. And, the real adam and eve, in fact lived years apart from each other.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T20:19:40.2408828-05:00
Sam, I have presented evidence that they did exist.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:20:29.2883185-05:00
And that is the little human genetic diversity?
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:23:48.4061159-05:00
I think that is your evidence/claim, correct me if I am wrong. But, you do realize that humans have experienced a genetic bottle neck, the Toba catastrophe theory. The same thing happen to cheetahs with the ice age. That explains why humans have little genetic diversity.
reece says2014-07-11T20:25:34.5797159-05:00
SamStevens: By my understanding you're exactly right
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:27:07.7130003-05:00
From your source: "Recently, scientists documented fruit and plant consumption in 13 of the 18 species of crocodilians, classifying them as “generalist predators that complement an otherwise carnivorous diet with fruit.”8 In the same way, fruit and plants probably served as supplements to the mighty T. Rex after the Curse. In fact, according to Genesis 6:21, the Ark stored a wide variety of plants, grains, and nuts for the year-long journey during the Flood. Preservation of each species would have required animals on the Ark to survive exclusively on a vegetarian diet." They are comparing a water dwelling meat eater to a land carnivore. The cat that almost diet when fed a veggie diet almost, in a way dismissed that point. If the animal had the potential to eat veggies, why would it almost die when feed the exclusive veggie diet?
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T20:34:32.3910003-05:00
Sam, I think it has to do with genetics.
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:35:35.1186003-05:00
May you add to the genetics topic?
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:36:24.2742779-05:00
Also, to extrapolate, http://www.icr.org is a website who's content has a lot of scientific criticism. This criticism also comes from old earth creationists. It jumps to say that since Crocodilia may par-take in veggies, this must apply to trex and other dinosaurs. Who says these animals can even survive on a strict veggie diet to begin with? A cat, which is a predator, clearly would have died.
mishapqueen says2014-07-11T20:39:01.7264338-05:00
Sam, this is pure conjecture, but I would imagine it was like the finches we talked about earlier, how some of them started eating fruits instead of seeds and became so diversified that they no longer were able to eat seeds. Reece and Sam, what are you trying to accomplish by this conversation?
SamStevens says2014-07-11T20:44:24.8961466-05:00
With the finches, each island has its own available food sources. And since the species has diversity, like how in humans, some are taller than others, they would go to the places where they would most likely be able to get food. The animals that had a beak slightly different would thrive in an island with beetles, while ones with thicker beaks would go to an island with seeds and nuts, as they can make more use of the food available.
ImARedditFreakDontJudgeMe says2015-07-10T21:18:28.3613480-05:00
Depends on their beliefs

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