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No that's just a theory

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Yes it leads to harder drugs

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jery1569 says2014-03-28T08:34:14.1191200-05:00
That's supposed to say GATEWAY, not gatway. My bad.
digitalbeachbum says2014-03-28T08:52:56.8271168-05:00
You are smoking too much weed, not only did you spell gateway wrong, saying "No that's just a theory" means that it is an established, scientifically researched subject, that "Yes, it leads to hard drugs". What you should have said was, "No, that's an urban myth" or "No, that's not true".
Macgreggor says2014-03-28T08:54:05.2803556-05:00
The idea that marijuana may be the first step in a longer career of drug use seems plausible at first: when addicts tell their histories, many begin with a story about marijuana. And there’s a strong correlation between marijuana use and other drug use: a person who smokes marijuana is more than 104 times more likely to use cocaine than a person who never tries pot, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse. (More on Time.Com: 7 Tips for California: How to Make Legalizing Marijuana Smart)
Macgreggor says2014-03-28T08:54:13.3924076-05:00
Scientists long ago abandoned the idea that marijuana causes users to try other drugs: as far back as 1999, in a report commissioned by Congress to look at the possible dangers of medical marijuana, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences wrote:
Macgreggor says2014-03-28T08:57:31.7164789-05:00
Since then, numerous other studies have failed to support the gateway idea. Every year, the federal government funds two huge surveys on drug use in the population. Over and over they find that the number of people who try marijuana dwarfs that for cocaine or heroin. For example, in 2009, 2.3 million people reported trying pot — compared with 617,000 who tried cocaine and 180,000 who tried heroin. (More on Time.Com: See photos of cannabis conventions) So what accounts for the massive correlation between marijuana use and use of other drugs? One key factor is taste. People who are extremely interested in altering their consciousness are likely to want to try more than one way of doing it. If you are a true music fan, you probably won’t stick to listening to just one band or even a single genre — this doesn’t make lullabies a gateway to the Grateful Dead, it means that people who really like music probably like many different songs and groups. Second is marijuana’s illegality: you aren’t likely to be able to find a heroin dealer if you can’t even score weed. Compared with pot dealers, sellers of hard drugs tend to be even less trusting of customers they don’t know, in part because they face greater penalties. But if you’ve proved yourself by regularly purchasing marijuana, dealers will happily introduce to you to their harder product lines if you express interest, or help you find a friend of theirs who
Macgreggor says2014-03-28T08:58:12.4483400-05:00
Holland began liberalizing its marijuana laws in part to close this particular gateway — and indeed now the country has slightly fewer young pot-smokers who move on to harder drugs compared with other nations, including the U.S. A 2010 Rand Institute report titled “What Can We Learn from the Dutch Cannabis Coffeeshop Experience?” found that there was “some evidence” for a “weakened gateway” in The Netherlands, and concluded that the data “clearly challenge any claim that the Dutch have strengthened the gateway to hard drug use.” (More on Time.Com: Is Marijuana Addictive? It Depends How You Define Addiction)
Dennybug says2014-03-28T09:15:06.2597047-05:00
This should be in opinions
jery1569 says2014-03-28T09:26:02.9297654-05:00
@digitalbeachbum-If you'll notice, I recognized my spelling error. You're right, I should have said myth. Saying "hard drugs" or "harder drugs" isn't a big deal, because most people refer to marijuana as a drug anyway. I normally refer to it as an herb.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T09:28:40.7488598-05:00
I know it's not a gateway drug. I know that because I smoke it.
ESocialBookworm says2014-03-28T09:37:44.6463463-05:00
O_o Facepalm
jery1569 says2014-03-28T09:38:53.8937942-05:00
@Dennybug-Liberals and conservatives made this a left-right political debate.
ESocialBookworm says2014-03-28T09:41:03.1888190-05:00
You wanna ruin your life jery1569 go right ahead... I'm not stopping you because I won't be affected. Unless you hallucinate and come up to me with a cutlass thinking I am a snake, in which case I WILL sk- *this comment had been removed by the DDO elite*
jery1569 says2014-03-28T09:44:32.4329603-05:00
If you think people hallucinate, then why did you answer no in the other poll about marijuana?
ESocialBookworm says2014-03-28T09:46:48.1558736-05:00
:/ I didn't answer no
jery1569 says2014-03-28T10:00:57.2204730-05:00
You changed it.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T10:06:37.6017992-05:00
The people who answer yes wouldn't know because they've never smoked it.
ESocialBookworm says2014-03-28T10:07:37.5982454-05:00
That;s because we don't want to ruin our lives. But go right ahead. No one's stopping you here.
SNP1 says2014-03-28T10:11:41.3070306-05:00
ESocialBookworm, how would it ruin your life? Just wondering.
ESocialBookworm says2014-03-28T10:15:26.6500250-05:00
1. 2. Gateway drug 3. Addiction
jery1569 says2014-03-28T10:18:10.8056681-05:00
It's not addictive. It's not a gateway drug. It doesn't cause hallucinations. It doesn't make people violent.
SNP1 says2014-03-28T10:26:06.1441268-05:00
1. Weed does not cause hallucinations. 2. Alcohol, according to recent statistics and polls, is actually the gateway drug. 3. Marijuana is one of the least addictive drugs, you probably would get addicted to caffeine before weed.
kbub says2014-03-28T12:20:28.8109499-05:00
Um, theories are well-founded. Do you mean "speculation?"
jery1569 says2014-03-28T12:48:11.2397795-05:00
Kbub-I should have said myth or speculation.
Mikal says2014-03-28T13:58:31.0017193-05:00
This is a valid theory. One I have seen first hand among friends as well. First you smoke, you get a really strong high from it. After a while you almost become null to pot, so you start to smoke higher grades and more weed trying to get the same high. After a while , you become null to that as well. You are always seeking that first high. At that point people either start to go with alcohol or stronger drugs to try and get that first feeling. The theory is quite compelling really, and is pretty easy to validate.
SNP1 says2014-03-28T14:02:37.2492978-05:00
Mikal: I personally know about 4 stoners. None of them are seeking a "better high" because the effect of the high doesn't diminish.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T14:29:11.7856283-05:00
@Mikal-So what hard drug did you turn to after you smoked marijuana?
Venusara says2014-03-28T14:29:58.8478208-05:00
What Mac posted is some really good reading. Why are you all even still arguing about this, go re-read what was posted. @E, numbers 1, 2 and 3 are all incorrect, go re-read MacGreggor's post. @everyone else, any idiot can have a theory, it doesn't need to be backed by science.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T14:33:44.6124680-05:00
Not everything Macgreggor says is correct.
Venusara says2014-03-28T14:41:09.9797229-05:00
No need to preach to the choir Jery, but in this case it was one of the most interesting things I've ever read about marijuana and it answers all the questions that others are still arguing here in the comments.
Venusara says2014-03-28T14:48:31.1241329-05:00
Doh, I read that post wrong, I thought a portion of it was quoted by scientists but I now see that it was just a member's own voice. I agree with all of it regardless and still think it is interesting and correct.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T15:21:01.8026550-05:00
"...You aren't likely to be able to find a heroin dealer if you can't even score weed." If that were true, it wouldn't be easier to score cocaine than marijuana. Especially since cocaine is a lot more popular than heroine.
jery1569 says2014-03-28T15:22:10.4274949-05:00
Heroin, not heroine. Sorry.
Venusara says2014-03-28T18:13:15.8410838-05:00
I'm not sure where you are living, but in my world coke is a million times harder to "score". I'll admit it may be a geographical thing though....I'm from Colorado so....
conservativelogic says2014-03-28T18:32:19.2174277-05:00
SNP: The poll asked if marijuana was a gateway drug, not whether is was more of a gateway drug than alcohol. Just saying.
Macgreggor says2014-03-28T19:54:36.6835806-05:00
The problem here is that correlation isn’t cause. Hell’s Angels motorcycle gang members are probably more 104 times more likely to have ridden a bicycle as a kid than those who don’t become Hell’s Angels, but that doesn’t mean that riding a two-wheeler is a “gateway” to joining a motorcycle gang. It simply means that most people ride bikes and the kind of people who don’t are highly unlikely to ever ride a motorcycle. Scientists long ago abandoned the idea that marijuana causes users to try other drugs: as far back as 1999, in a report commissioned by Congress to look at the possible dangers of medical marijuana, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences wrote: Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana — usually before they are of legal age. In the sense that marijuana use typically precedes rather than follows initiation of other illicit drug use, it is indeed a “gateway” drug. But because underage smoking and alcohol use typically precede marijuana use, marijuana is not the most common, and is rarely the first, “gateway” to illicit drug use. There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs.

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