Is the "Black Lives Matter" group really for black people's good?

Posted by: Haroush

Or are they part of a political agenda to give thugs and gang bangers more rights?

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PericIes says2015-09-02T01:19:07.8072825Z
...Neither
Teaparty1 says2015-09-02T02:26:51.4618761Z
Yea right! They don't think black lives matter
TBR says2015-09-02T02:30:26.2869468Z
Who doesn't think black lives matter Teaparty1?
Mister_Man says2015-09-02T02:50:52.0808141Z
TBR, I think his point is that they aren't so much focused on "ensuring blacks are treated equally," but are more focused on getting special treatment.
TBR says2015-09-02T03:08:26.9279662Z
What special treatment do you think they want?
Mister_Man says2015-09-02T03:23:28.3241729Z
Maybe special treatment wasn't the right word, but they want attention and they're attracting it in all the wrong ways. Baseless claims like whites have it easy simply because they're white and blacks aren't given enough chances (although affirmative action has been implemented and failed miserable in loads of cases), along with whites being in more powerful positions simply for being white. The BLM group has disrupted traffic, obviously destroyed lots of property, rioted, looted, vandalized, shut down tunnels and freeways, entered city halls and disrupted important hearings, etc. And why are they doing this? Because blacks, just like whites (except not as often), are sometimes subjected to police brutality. They turn police brutality into a racial matter and throw a huge fit over it. Police brutality affects whites more than blacks. The BLM people have concluded, without any evidence, that anti-Black racism is a systemic problem that should be confronted through the disruption of work, commuter travel, commerce, disruption of police forces, and any way to halt society.
reece says2015-09-02T05:22:58.5913073Z
@Mister_Man Should Trump throw them out of the country too?
reece says2015-09-02T05:24:45.3583917Z
@TBR Fox is trying to label Black Lives Matter as a Terrorist group.
Haroush says2015-09-02T16:45:29.5601178Z
@Reece, It's not fox news it 99% of conservatives that see BLM as an aggressive, violence promoting group. I thought the whole group is supposed to be accountable for their actions? Oh but the tea party is a terrorist group though.
Forthelulz says2015-09-02T17:17:19.1527587Z
How is the membership of the Tea Party terrorists?
Heterodox says2015-09-02T21:13:16.7976644Z
Sounds like a racist group to me. I mean imagine a group called "White Lives Matter" oh wait... Anywho, it's all nonsense to keep people from looking at the bigger picture.
reece says2015-09-02T22:11:08.1667200Z
@Haroush Have they acted upon it?
Mister_Man says2015-09-03T06:17:29.8482647Z
Should Trump throw people who Identify with the BLM group out of the country? No. Should he throw criminals out of the country? I don't care. Should he throw people who weren't supposed to be here to begin with out of the country? Makes sense. Maybe if blacks didn't associate with the BLM group and just tried to get what they wanted without associating with a group which holds many violent, bad people, they could get something done. Just like women and feminists, you want to accomplish something, go ahead and do it but you don't get it done by making a violent group even larger.
reece says2015-09-03T07:07:48.5795880Z
@Mister_Man You don't care if all criminals are seen as throwaways? Also, you do know Trump wants to kick out anchor babies and their family members that weren't naturalized (which goes against the constitution)? Nvm, i'm not going to get into them. So you think the majority of BLM is violent? The same sort of logic could be said about feminism btw.
reece says2015-09-03T07:13:06.4316255Z
What Feminism and BLM stands for, speaks for itself, Regardless if some of them are radical. The same could be said about religion. Although Feminism and BLM isn't up for interpretation.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T01:56:41.6186758Z
Nah, not really. I don't think any person who is violent to another really deserves many rights. I'd say either send em to rehab or get rid of them. Prison works too but it costs the taxpayer money. I don't feel it's very fair that I pay money because some other person isn't fit to interact with normal humans. I'm not 100% on the same page as Trump regarding kicking illegals out. If they're doing well for the economy and/or area, I don't REALLY want them out, but at the same time, they're illegally in the country. I couldn't care less if they had a kid in this country in order to stay, they're just finding a loophole. And if they honestly wanted to just start a family, they should have started one legally.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T01:59:38.1650075Z
I also agree that the BLM and Feminism were originally "good" causes, however the turn they've both made has been incredibly detrimental. The "original/good" version of feminism isn't even needed in the westernized world anymore, and the BLM movement is also pretty unnecessary. Most of the "racism against blacks" (which isn't actually racism) could have been avoided if the blacks experiencing this racism made better choices. Now I'm not saying anything bad that happens to blacks was their fault, as there are some flat out a**holes out there that actually are racist for no reason other than being an a**hole, but a lot of what the BLM people are complaining about are direct results of the poor/different choices of their fellow blacks. And then of course there's the BLM people who are yelling for the death of all whites and cops, which isn't very great at all.
Varrack says2015-09-04T02:17:41.1239495Z
What I find *extremely* ridiculous is the differences in public outcry over the deaths of black vs white people. A black guy shoots two white people on air in Virginia, and absolutely ZERO protests. A black guy is shot by a white cop, and the entire country eruptd in protests and the formation of ridiculous movements such as BLM, which completely ignored the deaths of white people while goes crazy when someone with dark skin is killed. It's sooo stupid, which is why BLM gets a lot of opposition as well as modern feminism. The evil white people are oppressing the innocent blacks by defending their lives. I could go on a long rant about it but you get the point.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T02:20:13.8021282Z
Yeah, exactly. Bad stuff happens to blacks, we get riots and protests and days/weeks of news coverage and whites are branded as the devil. Bad stuff happens to whites, maybe a few news stories, and it's brushed under the bed along with the other nothing stories. I get that the BLM movement focuses on the lives of blacks, but to show such an incredibly, blatantly biased double standard is ridiculous and another reason the movement has went downhill so incredibly quickly.
reece says2015-09-04T02:24:24.4290169Z
@Mister_Man Not all criminals are violent offenders. Look at how the war on drugs has turned out. I CBF replying to the rest. It seems you haven't thought it through.
Haroush says2015-09-04T02:30:32.9388970Z
Most people who do drugs are violent or have some type of mental health disorder which can't be fixed.
reece says2015-09-04T02:34:19.7331508Z
@Mister_Man Do you want to be sided with him?^
briantheliberal says2015-09-04T03:40:27.8681874Z
I wouldn't call not being unjustly profiled, brutalized, and murdered while unarmed and being treated like a human being "rights for thugs and gang bangers"
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T04:00:14.0217909Z
@Reece - I specified violent, not criminals in general. "Criminal" simply means someone who breaks the law. I don't believe every person who breaks the law is a bad person. I also think the war on drugs should be majorly de-funded and other laws implemented, but that's a whole other story. I also completely disagree with Haroush that "most" people who do drugs are violent and/or have mental disorders. I know many people who use recreational drugs (including myself) who aren't violent and are not mentally unstable. And although I'm not sure on the actual statistics, my anecdotal evidence is gathered from the people I spend time with, and those people are good people. "Doing drugs," alone, in my opinion, shouldn't warrant any charges.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T04:02:30.4290653Z
@Brian - I agree that when people are unjustly assaulted, it warrants attention. However the attention given by the BLM group (and others like it, including primarily white ones) is the wrong kind. There's nothing wrong with standing up against something you believe is wrong. There's something wrong with it when a huge percentage of the people doing that are being incredibly violent and aggressive and irrational and racist themselves.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T04:19:49.1617238Z
I've seen loads of people (including white) calling for the death of all cops, or for cops to no longer exist. That's an absolutely ridiculous and backward mindset and would do nothing but cause chaos. There needs to be a police force, and although there are some bad apples, we can't judge all cops based on the actions of few. Most cops become cops to actually serve and protect, not very many are irrationally aggressive or racist or crooked at all.
briantheliberal says2015-09-04T04:20:24.2372456Z
Mister_Man, except it isn't a "huge percentage of the people" that are being violent, aggressive, and irrational or even racist for that matter. The vast majority of people who consider themselves apart of the BLM movement don't go around attacking and killing people. They protest peacefully and primarily use social media (Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr) as an outlet. And no, the people you see rioting in Baltimore and Ferguson are not BLM nor do they represent them. Those people are angry civilians who more likely than not have no affiliation to the BLM movement. Regardless, while there are some radicals out there, they are usually in the minority, as with every political group.
briantheliberal says2015-09-04T04:23:06.5438072Z
"Most cops become cops to actually serve and protect, not very many are irrationally aggressive or racist or crooked at all." - I would suggest that you take heed to your own words, because your perception of those in the BLM is just as misguided as what you believe their perception is about cops in general.
briantheliberal says2015-09-04T04:36:46.7348372Z
Varrack, "There is a public outcry over black deaths, but when a white guy gets shot, there isn't a single protest." - Except that isn't true. Actually it was the BLM movement that protested the unlawful death of Zachary Hammond, an unarmed white teen in South Carolina who was shot by a cop. They did the same thing with several other white men who were killed by police in the past year. Meanwhile the vengeful "All Lives Matter" group remained silent on all of these issues and allowed them to be swept under the rug without any recognition. In addition, whites are killed by police more, but blacks also only make up 12% of the U.S. population and they are killed in similar amounts. Therefore, whites, who make up over 70% of the U.S. population are killed by police disproportionately less than their black counterparts. And lastly, I don't recall BLM being an "excuse for thugs to destroy property and cause chaos" when they were protesting peacefully in several cities around the world only to be ambushed and assaulted by angry police and white supremacists.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T22:22:17.1703918Z
@Brian - it's not really fair to say "well all the people who don't agree with the exact same principals as me aren't really part of the BLM group." Just like feminism, the women who identify as feminists but also openly hate men, still represent feminists. So the people who support BLM but also burn down businesses to "protest" the killing of a black guy buy a white guy (and never the killing of a black guy buy any other race...) still represent the movement. If it is a minority, then that's good! But when you look at the amount of people that take part in riots and hate speech and racism and senseless violence, who are all supporters of the BLM movement, it's quite shocking and hypocritical. So unfortunately the "radicals" DO represent and have affiliations with the BLM group.
Mister_Man says2015-09-04T22:25:50.7242674Z
However it is really good to hear that the group has protested the deaths of other people of different races they found to be innocent. Maybe the group does have a lot of good and positives around it, but that is quickly combated with the negatives and violence. It really is a big percentage (not more than half though) of people that affiliate with BLM that are violent and go against practically everything the group originally stands for. But I do have a question: what is the main goal of the group? What are they trying to accomplish? A lot of the time when people are killed by cops, it's justified, or there's a pretty good reason behind it. The statistics show that not very many cops at all are aggressive or racist or break the law.
briantheliberal says2015-09-04T23:01:11.9106554Z
Mister_Man, "well all the people who don't agree with the exact same principals as me aren't really part of the BLM group." - Except that's not what I said. I said the people you claim to be rioting and killing people are, by and large, not affiliated with BLM, because they aren't. They do not riot and kill because they are apart of BLM, they riot and kill because they are angry civilians or criminals. They do not do these things with the intention of promoting the BLM movement when the vast majority of them aren't even apart of it. The problem here is that you see these people do these things and you make your own faulty correlation between what the terrible things they do and a movement you disagree with in attempt to tarnish what the movement actually stands for, which is dishonest and conflicts with reality. That would be the equivalent of me accusing you of being part of the KKK and holding you responsible for awful things that they do because you disagree with me and have a different view of race relations in this country. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? You can't blame BLM for the actions of other people, regardless of the cause. BLM started as a social media movement in which the overwhelming majority of people apart of it arranged and organized protests, marches, and petitions. The movement is not built on violence and destruction, no matter how many times people attempt to associate those attributes to the movement itself. If you don't want people to tarnish cops, and perpetuate the idea that they are all racist and violent, why do the same to the overwhelming majority of BLM protesters who aren't either? They are not racist. They are not a "black nationalist movement". They do not advocate for the killings of police officers. All they are doing is fighting for the right to be heard, and stop the ongoing violence and corruption that is present in American society, particularly in the justice system towards people of color in which these things occur on a systemic and disproportionate level.
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T02:24:58.7601461Z
@Brian - So here's an example of what I'm talking about (http://www.Infowars.Com/kill-whites-and-cops-black-lives-matter-affiliated-radio-show-calls-for-race-war/). There are people out there who say they are a part of the BLM movement and who are affiliated with them, who are dangerous, violent people. I don't think you or I really have the right to say WHY they're doing what they're doing, but the fact still stands that they are affiliated with the BLM movement. Whether you want them there or not, by saying what they say, they are affiliated with them. Just like man-hating women are affiliated with feminism. The thing that's incorrect about your comparison with me and the KKK is that I don't identify as a member of the KKK. The BLM guys are for the most part peaceful, but then there are the not-so-peaceful members who identify as members as the BLM. You say the movement is to stop the "disproportionate" violence against minorities, well I'd say it is very proportionate. Minorities commit more crime than whites, so are being dealt with by cops more than whites, and of course when more cops deal with more people, the chance of something escalating is increased. It's still about the same percentage of people being "hurt" by police, and for almost always the same reason - they resisted arrest. Whenever you watch a video of someone being hurt by the cops, it's because they're resisting arrest. Maybe people should cooperate with the police, and they won't get hurt. The BLM guys think they are advocating for "peace" when in reality they are (unknowingly) advocating for superiority, in a sense. Should cops allow everyone to just not cooperate?
briantheliberal says2015-09-05T03:39:53.5065311Z
Mister_Man, first of all INFOWARS... The site that calls Obama a Muslim who is secretly protecting ISIS. Really? Is that what you are going with? Second, even if the link you provided had any ounce of credibility, you would still be using one isolated and clearly fabricated incident to tarnish an entire movement. But seeing as that site clearly isn't credible, with heavy right-wing bias and the article itself is filled with anti-BLM propaganda, that doesn't surprise me to say the least. I would suggest not believing everything you read online, especially from sites with a clearly biased agenda. There is no evidence that the person who called in was actually affiliated with BLM, it could have very well been an impostor who opposes the movement pretending to be apart of it and decided to call spouting lunacy to give the movement a bad name, it's quite obvious. This is no different from the Southern man who was found destroying his own property, tearing up a confederate flag, and spray painting "BLACKS RULE" on his front lawn then calls the cops and accusing black teenagers of crimes that he committed against himself. This is what people who think like you have resorted to. If you can't tarnish a movement you oppose in it's own right, based on what it stands for in itself, tarnish it with heavy bias, propaganda, faulty correlations, generalizations, and psychological warfare. And let's just think hypothetically and say that this incident was legit, so what? As I mentioned before, every movement has radicals including whatever movements YOU support. One person does not represent thousands of other people simply because they claim to be affiliated with them. This also proves my point about the KKK example I mentioned, which you clearly missed. I never said you were apart of the KKK, I said you grouping everyone who has ever done something horrible with those who haven't and treating them as a collective because you disagree with what those people stand for is no different than someone accusing you of being part of something you aren't because they disagree with you. It's ridiculous, but you don't even see that is what you are doing.
briantheliberal says2015-09-05T03:48:41.8608783Z
And no, the violence against minorities is NOT "proportionate" and with that statement itself, you continue to prove my point as to why I feel movements like BLM exist. Minorities don't commit "more crimes" they are often targeted and racially profiled compared to white people for the same crimes. Instead of treating minority status as a character flaw, making excuses for, and justifying why they often get targeted, killed, and brutalized by police, start by looking at the raw data. Starting with the drug war, which disproportionately targets minorities more even though white people are more like to use, distribute, and sell serious drugs. - http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/ Whites use and sell more, blacks are arrested more - and with that being said, what excuses do you have for minority children, like the seven year old black girl who was shot in her sleep by a police officer who raided her family's home? Or the 12 year old who was shot and killed by a police officer for playing with a toy gun in a playground? Were they at fault too? I guess being black or brown is an offense worthy of death, even if you are unarmed or a sleeping/playing child.
Haroush says2015-09-06T13:46:48.0060450Z
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all The ironic part about this article is the reporter attempts to point to population percentage of black and whites and says this is why more blacks die at the hands of police officers than whites. Though the reporter fails to bring up birth rates among minorities and whites. If anyone here knows anything about birthrates here they would know whites are headed onto a path of extinction because of the idiocracy white people in this society believe in. Not only is birth rates not in whites favor, but medically white people are becoming less healthy at an alarming rate. Yet no one cares about white people including most white people themselves.

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