Is the Church blocking progress and doing harm again?

Posted by: Kreakin

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/30/experts-urge-uk-permit-ivf-procedure-prevent-fatal-genetic-diseases-mitochondrial

  • Yes,they will cost lives with there moralizing.

  • No, the Church has a God given right to moralize even if it costs childrens lives.

59% 13 votes
41% 9 votes
  • And it will continuously try to stop technological or biological/medical advancements.

  • Uhhh, look at the Middle ages. Not much technological progress. When people started doubting the church, the Renaissance began.

  • Clearly progress is blocked. This isn't even a question considering there is mountains of evidence that, yes religion drags on technology.

    Posted by: Letrus
  • It is not for scientists to play the role of God, that role is reserved for God and God alone.

  • I don't fully understand the question, but it definitely isn't the first one. I also don't see the Church working against technological, biological, and medical advancements. That idea is a figment of the imagination.

    Posted by: Esiar
  • The church is simply saying, don't jump your gun, 3 Parent babies? Is this really ok? where would you be happy to draw the line? cloning humans? What happens if these children in 30 years have children with unavoidable birth defects, what if it causes a child to be born with mental issues because of science? The church is simply saying, don't rush into making this law acceptable, they also say they are behind science if it will alleviate the pain of mankind, or something like that. So they're not against curing disease and alleviating pain, we just don't know the after effects in years to come of this treatment, they're just a calm voice in the scientific storm, that's my opinion at least. Such matters should be given patience and caution, it was science who gave pregnant women Thalidomide and we all know how that turned out.

  • You should have put The Church of England instead of just the Church, because I associated "The Church" as the Vatican the first time around. I actually read the article, and the Church said that "not enough study had been done" Where did this whole blocking progress come from? Also, your answer choices seem a bit slanted.

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Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:16:48.2605709-06:00
The Church is trying to block UK scientists from developing genetic cures for Mitochondrial diseases as it involves DNA from three people in an IVF procedure. They don't seem to care that it will save lives, only about it going against the Bible.
PetersSmith says2015-01-30T19:17:17.7284042-06:00
Kreakin: Why does the UK give a damn about what the church says?
briantheliberal says2015-01-30T19:20:41.0520620-06:00
Of course they don't care. They already tried blocking laws allowing birth control, stem cell research and abortion despite the fact that those too save lives and benefit people in a positive way. The Church does not like to see progression in the world and would prefer if everyone submitted to their primitive belief system.
briantheliberal says2015-01-30T19:21:50.5827569-06:00
PetersSmith, it's because they Church is very powerful and has a lot of control over government action.
reece says2015-01-30T19:34:20.4950810-06:00
@Hanspete Humanity has always played god, haven't we? Hopefully you understand the extent of what I've said.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:38:14.2530398-06:00
@reece You are correct in saying Humanity has often played the role of God, but never to this extent, in often cases when humans play the role of God it is not bad, like when the allies played the role of God and killed many Germans, and saved the lives of many Jews, that is just one example, but that is when playing God is morally justifiable, this is an instance where playing the role of God in the development of a Child is not only wrong, but highly immoral.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:39:20.7893843-06:00
So the kids with disease die young?
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:41:56.3615684-06:00
It is not up for us to alter that, we can cure it when they have it or help make it manageable, but think of it this way, the great scientist Albert Einstein, what if his parents had the ability to alter his genetic code, it is entirely possible that we would never have had the mind that he gave to us, and what will these babies contribute to science by being studied out of the womb? Think of the greater understanding of the disease that could be achieved, and also, what if it never affects them at all, then what? What did we alter in them that was not there before?
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:42:54.1584569-06:00
So you are saying let the children die??
briantheliberal says2015-01-30T19:43:12.9872948-06:00
I'm pretty sure you have to prove god actually exists before you can accuse humans of playing his imaginary role in the real world.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:45:18.9236729-06:00
There is tons of inherent proof that God exists, was I born the way I was because God does not exist, that wouldn't make sense, if I was born according to the way science said I would be in a wheel chair and not have the mind that I do today, this change was not because of science, and also what about all the miraculous healing in Churches across the Globe, how does science explain that?
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:47:43.0493012-06:00
There is no proof. Church miracles are a massive fraud and dangerous. Alot of people die because they think the church will cure them and that causes a delay in proper treatment.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:48:35.2594058-06:00
I would love to see all disease and disa bility eradicated through science.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:48:57.3203716-06:00
Where is the existing proof, and the people who leave themselves solely up to the church, I will not deny that they are fools, God gave us modern medicine to help us, to think that they are invincible without it is stupid.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:50:01.8554318-06:00
Science and research provide medicine. Trust in God to provide it and you are in trouble.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:52:16.2610740-06:00
Really, that seemed to have worked well, very well in fact for my family, my sisters and I were suppose to be disabled because of being born premature, the doctors said there was nothing to be done, so my parents took to God, there prayers were answered and we are now three intelligent human beings with no medical problems.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:52:28.3366148-06:00
The years of torment the Church has put people through and the money it has made from land it owns should be reconsiled and given to science to beg the peoples forgivness.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:53:25.7591105-06:00
Trading one past form of harms from the church and putting it in the hands of people could produce the same results, a balance between is preferable.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:55:26.6517571-06:00
Who even asked them for an opinion, they are a relic of the days they scared people into giving over their loyalty and money. No one voted for them.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:56:42.7117079-06:00
They could do sometthing useful like support the health services rather than just moan about it.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:56:56.8778712-06:00
That can't directly be said with almost 2 billion people in the world following the teachings of Christ and the Church, I think the world has spoken in favor of the church.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T19:57:35.4148596-06:00
The Church has done ton to support health services, through missions in Africa and people like Mother Teresa.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T19:58:39.7966712-06:00
Lol, that is for their own ends, setting up missionaries to convert people. If they really cared they would help without the religious agenda.
Kreakin says2015-01-30T20:00:09.8230311-06:00
It's high time nations were secular.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T20:00:37.6524047-06:00
The conversion of people has come with help, would you rather they abandon people and who are you to tell the Church how to run missions, as well as it seems you are forgetting that the Church is one of the most generous entities on Earth, the Dominicans, the Jesuits, and the Felicians among them.
Hanspete says2015-01-30T20:01:08.4618122-06:00
You have every right to think that, but it will never happen.
Mister_Man says2015-01-30T20:22:11.0079320-06:00
Hanspete, do you have proof of any of this? When I was 4, my doctor said I would be 7'3, judging by my incredibly fast growth rate for the first 4 years of my life. I'm now 6'2 and stopped growing. Was that God intervening to make my life easier? No, it was just nature, and a mistake or incorrect assumption or calculation made by the doctor. A mistake made by a person does not validate God's existence.
Subutai says2015-01-30T20:58:30.3640205-06:00
I usually don't take emotional stances on issues, but what the Church is wanting to do is just disgusting. It's hard to fathom that the people who claim to heal others and spread peace would do something like this. What's even worse is that they condemn contraception and want to ban abortion, but when the child they have is disabled, they won't let them fix it. It's sick.
PetersSmith says2015-01-30T21:05:17.7388663-06:00
In Great Britain the BSA survey says 50.7% of the population has no religion. The church can't stop them if that's true.
basils says2015-01-31T00:21:56.0349509-06:00
Stem cell research... Literally the greatest medical advancement of all time.... And Christians are against it
Leo.Messi says2015-01-31T07:33:52.8467638-06:00
Many christians are against stem cells because many stem cells come from aborted fetus's. But its already dead-it was going to die anyway-it was not killed for the sake of stem cell research. You had no control over its death. I can see why people would take both sides. Personally I would not use stem cells because I dont need them! I am young and awesome. My joints are good, I play alot of soccer...I am good XD.
Kreakin says2015-01-31T14:02:59.1783925-06:00
It's obvious why the Church won't like this, if it works well, which it will, they just look even more irrelevant in the modern world. All their moral warnings taken from the "good book" being proven wrong one by one.
Lukas8 says2015-02-02T08:37:45.0857682-06:00
They┬┤re only brainwashing beLIEvers and saying bad stuff. But they dont stop progress, unless a whole society democratic agrees with the church, hopefully not.
Kreakin says2015-02-03T12:11:20.4557965-06:00
We won the vote! The research and treatment will go ahead! Yay!

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