Is the Confederate Battle Flag a Slavery or Freedom?

Posted by: ben671176

Since most people think this flag is the Stars and Bars (LOL, no it is not) and since most people think of it as slavery. And that the ENTIRE war was over slavery. The war to the south was all about them fighting for independence not the right to have slaves. And this flag isn't even the Stars and Bars, it is the Battle Flag. So it represents the Confederacy not slavery. It is now even considered the "Flag of the South," AKA the "Redneck Flag." Discuss:

  • It symbolizes slavery because:

  • It symbolizes Freedom:

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PetersSmith says2015-07-15T00:07:41.0535969-05:00
"As between the loss of independence and the loss of slavery, we assume that every patriot will freely give up the latter — give up the negro slave rather than be a slave himself"- Confederate Major General Patrick Cleburne
ben671176 says2015-07-15T00:08:17.5330567-05:00
I need to change the title, to add symbolism
ben671176 says2015-07-15T00:10:13.6602011-05:00
How does that supposed to explain anything, you throw a quote in from one person and expect all the answers? You need to add more.
jonathon.rockman345 says2015-07-15T00:19:32.6689642-05:00
If the Confederacy didn't just have cotton to give, they might've have gotten support from a Super Power and might've actually won. Though it is my most favorite war
komododragon8 says2015-07-15T00:22:47.0904382-05:00
For some reason it wont let me post a comment with my vote so I'll just put it here: "Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.” Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." -Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy
Lucas.G says2015-07-15T01:33:07.7443245-05:00
It is foolish to think that the Civil War was not primarily about slavery. To those who argue that the South was fighting for freedom, I ask: freedom to do what? In what way was the north oppressing the southern states? States still had state rights and state representation in Congress as they do today, so this should not have been a serious issue. The only threat to the southern states could have been federally instituted laws. And the law the southern states were most afraid of was...The national banning of slavery. Why was this worth going to war? The answer is two-fold. First, the southern states were clearly much more agriculturally dependent on the north. And second, that agriculture-based economy was invested almost exclusively in the cotton industry, which relied heavily on cheap labor. The southern states understood perfectly well that abolishing slavery would effectively remove access to cheap labor permanently, which would horribly cripple each and every southern state's economy for many years. This was the wealthy plantation owners confronting the prospect of losing EVERYTHING. For them, this was not an option. It was do or die, and they chose war. Ultimately, it was the north who was the patriotic side for fighting to preserve the union. Many of the people who fought on the confederate side may very well have believed that they were fighting for "freedom". But the brains behind the operation...The plantation owners and politicians...Were fighting for preserving wealth, not freedom.
TBR says2015-07-15T08:15:55.9212346-05:00
Discus your very detailed strawman? No, the war was not "all about slavery". Few, except southern red-necks seem to confuse what flag is "The Confederate Flag". Last, the battle flag is a negative symbol for most Americans. That is simple reality.
Haroush says2015-07-15T21:39:21.4858894-05:00
I've done defended the confederate flag multiple times. It's about time someone else from my side explains away.
Talkingisfun says2015-07-23T03:12:16.9722116-05:00
What Lucas G said basically says it all. The core motive for the war was that Northern states attempted to abolish slavery and that the southern states didn't want that.
Haroush says2015-07-24T21:16:24.1646544-05:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvvEh8hvjz4
Haroush says2015-07-24T21:18:00.3854544-05:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUw_P6w8Rdw
Traven25 says2015-07-28T03:01:05.2637104-05:00
I see it more as Southern Heritage.

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