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Yes it's a symbol of hate

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Pride of the south and other southern heirtage

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For example Mississippi state flag or former state flag of georgia

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Neatrual or it depends how it's used

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It can be racist if use wrong

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briantheliberal says2015-08-20T23:06:53.8798561Z
The confederate flag is a symbol hatred. But it is also a symbol of heritage, except hatred is apart of the heritage it represents. It was used during and long after the civil war to support the institution of slavery, terrorize black Americans, and was an integral element of lynch mobs for decades. It is still used today during KKK and neo-nazi rallies and protests. It anyone thinks they can justify its usage by claiming it's not about hate, I suggest they take a good look at history, because it shows otherwise.
TBR says2015-08-20T23:47:40.8332037Z
Wave your flag all you like. Wear a big belt buckle, your choice. Don't for a second think that the vast majority don't see anything other than a southern bafoon. Even as a symbol of "pride" it is derided - I simply don't care one bit if you are a racist or idiot at this point, you still will be mocked by this mad most other Americans.
Haroush says2015-08-20T23:51:48.9012991Z
It's ironic people forget slavery engulfed the entire world around the time of the civil war. People also forget slavery existed long before the American Civil War even happened. The problem is people like BTL, TBR, and many others like to pin the weight of all slavery on the Confederacy. The truth is, every country has had an ugly past and has done things wrong. So, if we are going to hold countries accountable for slavery we must then hold all countries accountable for slavery. Humanity as a whole is responsible for slavery, not the Confederacy. When it comes to hate groups, of course there has been plenty of hate groups with the Confederate flag, this doesn't mean they represent what the flag stands for. It is actually called the St.Andrew's flag which originated from Scotland. Really, slavery was nothing but a scapegoat for the Union to bring down the Confederacy because of all of the other reasons the Union was against the Confederacy. It mainly had to with industrialization and government overreach.
TBR says2015-08-20T23:56:49.1252236Z
@Haroush - What part of the south is this flag representing? Waffle hut? Country music? Just what do you think it stands for?
briantheliberal says2015-08-21T00:10:20.1927278Z
Haroush, I mean no disrespect, but your "but everyone does it" excuse is a load of crap. Just because humans have been doing messed up things for a long time, doesn't justify the glorification of it in the future. And the fact that slavery existed in many civilizations for a long time is not only irrelevant to this issue regarding UNITED STATES HISTORY, it's also pathetic to use that as justification for why the Confederacy did what they did, which was support the institution of owning human beings they deemed as inferior to them in exchange for hard, unpaid labor and horrid treatment. What you said was basically the equivalent of "Flying the Swastika is okay because genocide is a human issue, the Holocaust doesn't matter". Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? And no, slavery was not the ONLY cause of the Civil War, but it was still a huge part of it, and it was that that set it off in the first place. And you seem to forget that the confederate flag was used beyond the Civil War, as I mentioned before. I was used by the KKK and lynch mobs to terrorize black Americans for decades. I would suggest you stop making excuses for and defending something you know is offensive to people for valid reasons.
Haroush says2015-08-21T00:12:21.4183998Z
Let me ask you something.. Despite the fact the black and white X was flown during the Civil Rights Era ( "for equality reasons") It also represented hatred and violence toward whites, but yet black people fly it today for the reason of "black pride". Though the underlying reason for it is racist. Yet it is still flown. The difference is, there is many reasons to fly the St.Andrew's flag, but not many to fly the Malcolm X flag. So, you want to play the blame game and talk about more recent times, go right ahead.
briantheliberal says2015-08-21T00:14:19.0748860Z
Haroush, what the hell are you talking about and why are you deflecting? Again you prove my point. You can't even defend yourself honestly, so you resort to the switch and blame game deflection tactic. Pathetic.
TBR says2015-08-21T00:15:39.5716239Z
@Haroush - Try answering my question first? Is it for the love of Lynyrd Skynyrd? Why do you like the flag?
briantheliberal says2015-08-21T00:17:15.4414655Z
TBR, he can't answer that question, because he already knows the answer. He just doesn't want to admit what it is so he finds every reason to make excuses and avoid the question.
briantheliberal says2015-08-21T00:18:52.6851223Z
I will just leave this here... https://hrexach.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/confflg.jpg?w=650
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T13:19:38.7765859Z
@Haroush We already had a triloy worth of comments on this topic, with TBR and me debating you on this. Lets not start a 2nd comment war.
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T13:20:35.3242970Z
@trilogy
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T13:20:48.0224665Z
*trilogy
mdmark says2015-08-21T13:24:50.4067665Z
The confederate flag itself is not a symbol of hatred. VERY few southerners use it as such. It is a testament to history and the brutal war that took place in our own country as well as the fight to make your own choices in life. The civil war was not fought over slavery, it was fought of the fact that the federal government was attempting to take the states' power of choice. Taking the flag and other monuments down is like taking any monument from the american revolution down. Obviously the confederates ultimately lost the civil war (which led to the abolishing of slavery).
uis says2015-08-21T16:13:42.7585684Z
Is the confederate flag or no
briantheliberal says2015-08-21T20:09:46.9270031Z
Mdmark, again with historically inaccurate nonsense. Yes, the confederate flag IS a symbol of hatred, and yes MANY Southerners do use it as such when it is convenient for them to do so. It is no different than the Nazi swastika flag, both are used by white supremacists to perpetuate hatred against those who do not align with their agenda. "it was fought of the fact that the federal government was attempting to take the states' power of choice" - Right, one of those choices being the right to own human beings and treat them as property. Yes, the civil war was fought over slavery, among other things. To completely rewrite history and pretend slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War is completely dishonest. And comparing the Confederacy to those who fought during the American Revolution is also very dishonest. One fought for their nation, the other seceded and fought against it.
MariaSamson says2015-08-21T21:50:02.2884470Z
Ya know, that's not even the official confederate flag. That's the Confederate Naval Jack.
benhos says2015-08-21T23:49:11.0242884Z
None. The Confederate Flag is NOT a symbol of hatred, however I am offended by it. Not many people know what it actually means, but, brace yourselves, it is a Christian flag. I'm just upset by the fact that people would refer to a Christian flag as heritage.
TBR says2015-08-22T00:14:17.2974090Z
@benhos - Calling it a "Christian" flag is no more legit than calling it a Klan flag. Symbols work that way. If the Klan uses it, it is their symbol too.
tajshar2k says2015-08-22T01:09:21.2417642Z
If you like the Confederates, then you are a traitor to our country.
Wylted says2015-08-22T11:18:14.6397128Z
The confederates weren't traitors to their country. They had a legal right to secede from the union, and Abraham Lincoln was wrong for waging war on a peaceful nation
TBR says2015-08-22T15:15:16.8850426Z
@Wylted "The confederates weren't traitors to their country." - By any definition they were. || "They had a legal right to secede from the union," - After the war, the SCOTUS found it unconstitutional. It is arguable it WAS legal until after the war, but it is now. || "and Abraham Lincoln was wrong for waging war on a peaceful nation" - Arguable.
Heterodox says2015-08-22T15:25:19.5817598Z
To me it's a symbol of rebellion, freedom and independence.
DelilahMacgounagheeeey says2015-08-22T15:54:17.8644454Z
This flag was made specifically as an alternative to the northerners ideology of slaveless society. SPECIFICALLY!! True swastika as neutral as jin-jang symbol but used on a flag it gets a different meaning entirely.
tajshar2k says2015-08-22T16:09:47.5107914Z
Its not really peaceful. They were treating black people so badly. Somebody had to step in.
Wylted says2015-08-22T17:50:58.1234663Z
I was never aware that scouts found it unconstitutional. I wouldn't mind reading their reasons for concluding that.
TBR says2015-08-22T17:55:30.3243206Z
@Wylted - Look at Texas v White. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White "unilateral secession was unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession."
Varrack says2015-08-22T18:31:44.1982556Z
Wylted, the Confederacy was the one that waged war. It fired the first shots at Ft. Sumter. This is a common misconception among neo-cons, but Lincoln strategically waited until the South began firing so that the North would still trust his leadership and not thing he was some war-mongerer.
mdmark says2015-08-27T18:44:22.9550483Z
It amazes me that someone like @briantheliberal who clearly lives in the north, can tell someone that lives in the south (me) that all southerners use the flag as a racist symbol. This is one of the problems i have with extremely liberal people. They believe they are always right no matter what, even if they have no idea what they are even talking about. I have already stated what I (a southerner) and others around me think about the flag. It is NOT used for racial propaganda. I am disappointed that a few racists have ruined the national view of a very important part of our heritage.
tajshar2k says2015-08-27T18:48:35.6929581Z
Mdmark, you may not be racist, and the flag may mean something else to you, but far too many Southerners use it to display their White Superiority. Which is quite disturbing.
TBR says2015-08-27T18:49:51.9518839Z
I am sorry that schools in the south don't teach the difference between "many" and "all".
briantheliberal says2015-08-28T06:40:19.0269862Z
Mdmark, I lived in the South for almost a decade of my life. Spare me the bs okay? I know what I am talking about from research, education, and experience. Don't try to discredit what I say based on petty anecdotal assumptions you made about my life. People are still using this flag to harass and encore fear in minorities in some majority white parts of the state I lived in. Not one person I have encountered who displays this flag was not a bigot.

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