Is the Media Bias for Blacks

Posted by: Bookwormav

Please leave a comment. I don't mean are they bias against them. I'm asking if you think the media only shows one side of the black vs police arguments.

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briantheliberal says2015-04-22T15:32:03.5773991-05:00
No, it's actually quite the opposite.
Mister_Man says2015-04-22T19:13:34.9989122-05:00
Brian, how so?
Stefy says2015-04-23T06:03:27.4397169-05:00
In almost every way imaginable. People will jump to the cops defense no matter how illogical it is, and will make a million excuses for why the black guy was dangerous even if he was an unarmed non threat. They also tend to refer more often to black males as "thugs" like they did with Trayvon and everyone else. But the guys who shot unarmed people are not ever called out as the thugs they are being.
Stefy says2015-04-23T06:05:20.2284399-05:00
Mister_Man im sorry that a haf white guy got called white through what was probably an innocent error. Black males are getting killed. They are losing their lives because of systematic racism and internalized stereotypes. No ones going to feel bad for the poor armed white guy
CommunistDog says2015-04-23T09:39:33.3618254-05:00
I find that some of the local news stations tell both sides of the story while some news stations, such as Fox News, appear to be very bias. Although there are many people on the cops' side, some stations are not very bias.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T12:41:19.0202033-05:00
I have never once witnessed a single news source jump to the cop's defence when it was a cop-on-black killing. Not once. "Innocent little baby Trayvon," "Bright college future for Michael Brown destroyed by white police officer," etc. Black males are getting killed because of systematic racism" - LOL what? You're perpetuating the liberal pro-black stereotype that I'm explaining is rampant through the media. No, the black guy charging the cop wasn't a threat, the cop was just racist for defending himself, obviously. That's ridiculous. I feel bad for George Zimmerman for having to deal with death threats and backlash because some kid attacked him and people like you feel the need to run around calling it "racism" because of political correctness or whatever reason.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T12:49:09.5744160-05:00
Also, Stefy, don't you think it's possible that blacks just tend to commit more crime around cops than whites do? Which leads to the arrest/deaths of more blacks than whites? Maybe they just commit more crime, and has nothing to do with racism? Because you make it seem like there's no way blacks can get in trouble unless it's because the cop is racist.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:26:44.1827453-05:00
Stefy, I think Mister_Man just proved our point with his nonsensical diatribe.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:28:27.1287809-05:00
"I have never once witnessed a single news source jump to the cop's defence when it was a cop-on-black killing." - Then you obviously haven't heard of FAUX News. Now, I'll leave you to your "I am a poor, oppressed white male in America" speech.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:30:31.4189702-05:00
Oh and FYI, Zimmerman IS mostly white, with a small indigenous admixture. Hispanic is not a race.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T14:31:15.4216840-05:00
Sorry I guess I exaggerated a bit there. I'm simply saying it's incredibly rare for anyone really to jump to the cops defence. Most people in America seem to hate the police, but more importantly, most media sources seem to try and show how innocent the black person was in pretty much any scenario. And before you start jumping on your "all white people think they're oppressed because they have a different opinion than me" bandwagon, read what I'm saying. I never said anything about white people being oppressed, I'm simply talking about the media bias toward blacks.
Varrack says2015-04-23T14:36:50.0654830-05:00
It's ridicous. A black guy gets killed and the media explodes with protests nationwide and it creates mass anger. A white guy gets shot and no one even hears about it.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:40:51.8609791-05:00
It's not incredibly rare because I see it everywhere, including this site. It's especially common depending on the number of conservatives, who almost always rush to the cop's defense and blame the victim regardless of the circumstances, especially if the cop is white and the victim is not. And while I understand where you are coming from in regards to media coverage, by and large, it's still NOT biased in favor of the blacks over whites. The reason I said what I said about you believing all white males are oppressed is because that is literally what you believe and any attempts of exposing the truth of matter is threatening to you. Most privileged people in society don't want to admit they have an advantage, especially white males who have it better just for being both white and male.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:46:22.9887017-05:00
Varrack, how many white guys are killed by an authority for BEING white?
Renegader says2015-04-23T15:57:57.3174903-05:00
Dude, trayvon and mike brown were idiots who assaulted someone. I agree that eric garner and tamir rice did not deserve what they got at all. Please try to be reasonable, case by case. The media defended brown and martin when clearly evidence has come out that supports the opposition. If you do not see that as bias then you are the problem. I also noticed fox defending the police story against garner which was a shame. Usually though, the media has tried to paint martin and brown as some kind of fallen angels, when they clearly were not.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T16:05:55.0011827-05:00
Okay Brian, so why is it that every story of white-on-black crime is reported, and black-on-white crime is almost never aired or even talked about? Why is it that when a black guy beats up a white guy, the media say he's a "strong African-American standing up for his pride"? But when a white guy and black guy are in an altercation, it's automatically because the white guy is racist and nothing else? Can you answer those questions for me? Also, "that is literally what you believe," - no, that is not literally what I believe, thanks for trying to read my mind though. You do know I could say the exact same to you? You're privileged, and you can't admit it. If you want people to think otherwise, you have to show some kind of evidence. From what I've shown, the media doesn't care about white victims, and criminalizes whites as much as possible, and they bring up cases where there's a black victim as much as possible, as well as victimizing blacks as much as possible, showing how innocent every single black person is. Also, if you want to say these black guys are killed for being black, you'll have to prove it.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:25:21.2291014-05:00
Renegader, "trayvon and mike brown were idiots who assaulted someone." - Are these the only two names you people know? Not only that, if you want someone to "be reasonable" start by stating the facts. Martin was being wrongfully followed by a strange man with an assault weapon, EVEN AFTER the police operator instructed him not to. Aside from this, nobody know exactly what happened. If the race of the people involved in that particular situation were reversed, Zimmerman would be in prison, and Martin would be another "innocent white kid who was trying to defend himself against the scary black man"
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:25:30.1691307-05:00
Mister_Man, "why is it that every story of white-on-black crime is reported, and black-on-white crime is almost never aired or even talked about?" - Says who? This isn't even true, and it's also irrelevant. Most crimes, regardless of the race of the people involved DO NOT get media attention. The difference is, there is no trend of white men being killed by black men, where the black men involved get away with it... "Why is it that when a black guy beats up a white guy, the media say he's a "strong African-American standing up for his pride"?" - Another lie, give me at least ONE example of this from a legitimate media source that say exactly this... "But when a white guy and black guy are in an altercation, it's automatically because the white guy is racist and nothing else?" - Oh look, another biased assertion you cannot defend. If anything, it is assumed the black male is a thug, a criminal, harassing, or threatening the white guy, regardless of who is actually in the wrong. And that is exactly the same excuse white people use, especially white law enforcement officers, to justify killing and arresting unarmed minorities... "that is not literally what I believe," - Oh really? Take a look at this poll one more time and stop desperately lying to defend yourself when you and I both know this is EXACTLY what you believe - http://www.debate.org/opinions/polls/is-it-true-that-white-males-are-the-most-discriminated-against-group-in-america - Also, how am I privileged? Please list all of the advantages and immunities I have based entirely on who I am as a person. Thanks.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:35:28.8687166-05:00
While police officers are literally CAUGHT ON CAMERA being brutal, using excessive force and wrongfully murdering innocent people, regardless of their skin color, even though minorities take most of it, people still deny and justify it. Take a good look at this.. http://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/former-michigan-police-officer-charged-with-assault-in-traff#.qplGX2GmR I bet you would still defend that bullsh-t. You literally think being a victim of systematic racism and people protesting is a sign of privilege? Here is some advice Mister_Man, get our of your privileged bubble and stop acting like you're a victim when any sensible person with the slightest ability to comprehend reality will tell you, YOU ARE NOT OPPRESSED, you're just a crybaby who cannot stand the thought of society not bowing down at your feet anymore and exposing your privilege for what it is.
CommunistDog says2015-04-23T16:49:16.0370559-05:00
I agree with Brian. I find the media almost entirely bias towards different races as well as white cops being extremely cruel towards dark skinned citizens. A cop was once caught on camera from across the street when a young boy was walking on the sidewalk and the cop shot him yelling "He's coming at me!" and placed a police-issued pistol at the victim's body to make it seem like the person wanted to shoot the cop. It's ridiculous how people think that their race is superior, which gives them a reason to be mean to other races. No race or human is superior. I believe many people who have studied military history can relate to that of Hitler's claims, justifying the reason as to why he invaded other countries and tried to eradicate other races. While people think that these are just "small incidents" this could eventually lead into more cops thinking they can get away with murder against other races, because lately, they can. The media is fueling the flames for these actions. Overall, these actions are unjustified and yet, the media supports it. Thankfully, some news stations are smart enough to not pick sides because of race, and sometimes no side at all (which I find great because that means they would most likely show both sides of the story). While some actions made by people with darker skin are unjustified, there are actions made by "law enforcement" which turn out to be worse than the crime(s) committed.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T16:50:51.7334099-05:00
Brian, for your and my amusement, feel free to take a look at this article, explaining that more whites are killed at the hands of cops than blacks. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all - so this goes to show that cops don't kill blacks more than whites, just to clear up any confusion. Regarding a lack of attention of black-on-white crime, how about the brutal racially-motivated slaughtering of a white couple by a group of blacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom#Reaction_and_racism - or a BLACK cop killing an unarmed WHITE man http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/ - you could say the roles were switched, and the media doesn't give a damn all of a sudden. You say "...Where the black men involved get away with it..." - this is irrelevant. Whether or not the perp gets away, the media does not cover black-on-white violence NEARLY as much as white-on-black, giving the indication that the media is biased for blacks/against whites. Here's a video of a black guy beating the hell out of a white guy as well as humiliating him, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztbLQLqx1A - and the media people... Whoever they are... Side with the black guy right off the bat, and if you read the lovely YouTube comments, everyone labels this as "skinhead beat up by black guy," making the black guy, the one beating the hell out of an innocent man, look like a hero. Give me a source that shows the black guy is automatically a thug. I showed you a video of a black guy mindlessly beating a white guy, and the white guy is still a racist. Well damn I guess that is literally what I believe. I was just kind of surprised when you told me what I believe, I usually don't get people telling me what I believe. But you're right, whites do seem to be not cared about compared to other races. However this is a different conversation. How about the media bias for blacks, painting blacks as victims constantly, and never showing the violent black people? How about you show how I'm privileged, because I don't see it. Maybe neither of us are privileged and we're just arguing over nothing? Also, if you want to say these black guys are killed for being black, you'll have to prove it. Thanks.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:59:13.6995337-05:00
"so this goes to show that cops don't kill blacks more than whites, just to clear up any confusion." - uh wrong, whites make up about 70 percent of the American population, while blacks only make up 12 percent, yet make up almost half of all police casualties. So proportionately, blacks are killed MORE than whites. Also, cops who kill blacks tend to face little to no consequences for it. THAT is why there is more outrage. Stop with these half-facts and biased assertions.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T17:00:28.9473694-05:00
You still didn't provide me anything I asked for, you dismissed it. And as for the rest of your dribble, I will address after I drive home so stay tuned.
CommunistDog says2015-04-23T17:02:31.9802398-05:00
@Mister_Man While it might be true, there are more white citizens than there are African Americans. Thus, the number of crimes committed by light skinned people are larger, it might not count as a percentage. Also, the white people who were hurt and/or murdered by cops, might have been a justified action even though most violent responses were most likely inappropriate out of either hate or fear. Yet, these crimes committed by cops towards dark skinned people are considered hate crimes, and used violence out of racial intolerance, which is not common between a dark skinned cop and a white citizen.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T17:37:32.9578721-05:00
So why is it that the majority of prisons are filled with blacks? Even though they only make up 12% of the population, they make up more of the prison population and are sentenced for more violent crimes than whites. Why is that? Do you think this mentality has anything to do with them being shot by cops more, and NOT blatant racism on the cops end? If you want to assert that cops are sentenced for white killings more than black, you'll have to prove it. And did you miss my multiple links and statements addressing your other points? I didn't dismiss anything.
Bookwormav says2015-04-23T19:15:45.0652842-05:00
Wow. I did not expect my poll to gather this much attention, even though I know it is of a very controversial topic. I would like to throw out my support for Mister_Man and say that I agree. I think that sometimes the media paints blacks as completely innocent to the situation that led to their death. The fact is most of them resisted the police and refused to listen to what they had to say. They should has cooperated with the officers. But they didn't. Instead they ran/walked away and resisted arrest. They have fault in the situation too.
Mister_Man says2015-04-23T19:19:39.7615045-05:00
Thanks Bookworm, good point. Most of the time when anyone really is killed by a cop, it's because the cop felt his well-being was in danger. When a cop kills a white guy who charges him, nobody bats an eye. When a cop kills a black guy who charges him, everyone cries racism and the media label the cop as a racist and the black guy as a good person who's all set on going to college etc.
CommunistDog says2015-04-23T20:08:41.8597594-05:00
Running away from the law or not, it was the fault of the officer to be so hasty as to immediately resorting to their gun. Something like a taser at least would not kill the runner but it would stop him/her. The cop's only reasoning as of shooting the suspect is out of fear or even racial intolerance.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:23:18.6090799-05:00
Okay, now where was I... Oh right, addressing your ridiculous half facts and biased assertions. "why is it that the majority of prisons are filled with blacks?" - Aside from obvious socioeconomic, and cultural differences, black men are more likely to be wrongfully targeted by police and wrongfully arrested because of racial profiling, something white people do not have to deal with, because they have the privilege of being judged as individuals instead of as a group. - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/ I do not deny that many blacks do commit more crimes, although it has nothing to do with their race as mentioned above, but that doesn't change and has nothing to do with the fact that innocent blacks are being arrested and killed for no justifiable reason. If you are going to look at statistics, stop paying attention to half of the picture to further your own bias. http://www.alternet.org/immigration/racial-profiling-false-arrests-deportation-true-face-federally-mandated-secure
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:30:17.9784678-05:00
Bookwormav, "I think that sometimes the media paints blacks as completely innocent to the situation that led to their death. The fact is most of them resisted the police and refused to listen to what they had to say." - Oh really? Was this seven year old girl who was shot and killed by a cop while she was asleep "resisting arrest" and "not listening"? - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/joseph-weekley-charges-dismissed-aiyana-stanley-jones_n_6566032.html - Are you going to blame her for her own death too? And the police officer who murdered her didn't face ANY consequences for it. This is what I am talking about when I say you are blinded by your own privilege.
CommunistDog says2015-04-23T20:36:25.4262608-05:00
To support Brian's claims, there have been many cases where police would place drugs in a dark skinned person's car or items to make the person held accountable to holding illegal drugs.
58539672 says2015-04-23T22:43:13.7011939-05:00
Generally speaking, minority groups tend to be on the lower end of the wealth scale than the leading majority. Their is a correlation between poverty and crime rate, which when combined with the previous sentence, leads to minorities resorting to crime more often than the majority. This is a trend that is seen in all nations regardless of race, ethnicity, or culture. Poverty, not race, is what creates criminals. If you want crime to go down, decrease the number of impoverished people.
Bookwormav says2015-04-24T08:28:44.3898142-05:00
I'm not saying that there isn't racist cops, what I'm saying is that people tend to paint them so they all seem to be violent racists who go around shooting innocent black people. I also think that in certain places there is a community distrust of police in general that dates back to the 50's and 60's, who the nation was divided by segregation. I think ever since then, it has been passed down to not trust officers. Even listen to some of the cultural music. It rants about racist cops and crimes. People who listen to that will start to follow what the songs are saying.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T14:12:46.6823502-05:00
Ah so all you have to say to everything I brought up is "nope, the cops are racist." Well like I've asked multiple times, what's your evidence for cops killing or arresting people solely for being black or of a minority? Technically speaking, the link you sent me, their actions were justifiable to a degree, as the people did "break the law," cops also do this to everyone, not just minorities. Why is it when a cop arrests or uses excessive force on a white person, nobody bats an eye, but when it's on a minority, it's all of a sudden racism and "White America" and all that? That's minority privilege!
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T14:15:12.6002442-05:00
Bookworm has a point - a lot of the "black" music talks about how never to trust the cops, kill pigs and white people, etc. Even if cops WERE being racist and unlawfully detaining and arresting blacks, music like this doesn't help bring peace and order to the streets.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T15:05:38.2606807-05:00
"Ah so all you have to say to everything I brought up is "nope, the cops are racist."" - What in the hell are you talking about??? THIS is why I cannot argue with you. You pathetically resort to false accusations, ridiculous assumptions and blatantly distort my argue and ignore the evidence I presented to you. We are done here. Keep pretending to be "oppressed" and denying your own privilege. I cannot reason with unreasonable people.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T15:07:56.4034032-05:00
And btw, you don't even know what privilege is. So all this talk about blacks getting beaten to death and obtaining media attention being "minority privilege" makes you look foolish and only proves my point.
Renegader says2015-04-24T15:25:33.9235393-05:00
I have a problem with the double standard in the media most. A few weeks ago Dilara tried to point out racially motivated crimes occurring to white people that literally received ZERO media coverage. It's really pathetic that such a blatant double standard exists in the media and you can't admit it. Also, people refuse to see that police militarization is not a racial issue, which is vastly supported by statistics. Lastly, I want to hear people admit that the "hands up, don't shoot" movement was founded on a lie, because I have not heard anyone admit it once. Brian, I don't know why you are denying that your argument is that cops are racist, you have been spewing that for quite some time now. I think most of DDO would agree with me here. Let's be real here lmfao
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T15:33:23.2905539-05:00
Renegader, "I don't know why you are denying that your argument is that cops are racist, you have been spewing that for quite some time now" - Evidence?
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T17:16:33.8561892-05:00
"...Black men are more likely to be wrongfully targeted by police..." You base this off nothing. It's your own blind bias caused by whatever. Blacks are arrested more? And it's totally an impossibility that they just commit more crime, right, that can't possibly be the case? I also agree completely with Renegader here and I find it... "pathetic"... That you didn't address a single thing other than semantics in his entire argument. Did you not read the part about ZERO media attention to BLATANT acts of racism against whites, by blacks? Brian, you don't know how privileged you are. You're blind to your own privilege. You attempting to say I'M the privileged one is foolish and only proves how privileged YOU really are.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T18:01:17.1616381-05:00
We've also gone a bit off topic... We're talking about the media being biased for blacks, not whether or not cops racially profile blacks or not.
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:16:08.6085039-05:00
Oh yes. Black on white violent crimes a year-320,000. White on black violent crimes a year-60,000. White on black Murderers a year-180. Black on white murderers a year-400. Even though these Fbi statistics show that Black on white crime is much more common than white on black crime and that black on white murderers are much more common than white in black murderers we only hear about the white on black murderers. If a black person stabs a 14 year old white girl to death in her Chicago home witch is what happened to Kelli O'laughlin the media won't care. If a white cop shoots a violent criminal out of self defense like what Darren Wilson did he will be made out to be a racist evil murderer no matter the facts. Even though the DOJ report said that brown didn't have his hands up when he died and that Wilson was justified in killing him the media will still continues to paint brown as an angle when in really he was a violent criminal who assaulted a cop and a store clerk and they continue to paint Wilson as an evil killer when in reality he was only protecting him self.
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:19:52.7242631-05:00
Stefy do you feel bad for the poor armed white guy if a violent criminal charges him? And read my last comment. There are 400 black on white murderers a year and 180 white on black murderers a year. Also what's wrong with calling a thug a thug. Michael brown assaulted a cop and a store owner, robbed a store...Hand trayvon martin was caught with 12 pieces of stolen jewelry and a burglary tool.
Varrack says2015-04-24T18:24:37.4696136-05:00
Affirmative Action is another form of racism. The reason the media isn't hyping up about it is because it's legalized.
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:28:23.1718604-05:00
Communist dog. Wilson didn't have a taser. And why don't you judge gun after a 30" pound villein thug charges you .
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:43:24.6704392-05:00
Mister man I understand what you are going through. These liberals don't seem to understand some basic facts that I've been telling them. Black people harm and even kill white people because of their race all the time and no one cares. When a white kills a black criminal out of self defense everyone hates him. Zemi Begic was hammered to death last year by a group of black and Latino teens who yelled "kill whitey". Kevin Shiflet from Alexandria Virginia was killed by a black man who hated white people (had anti white literature in his house and said he hated us) and no one cared. And mister man linked the article about Channon Christian and Chris Newsom from tenesee who were tortured and beaten to death by 5 black men and a black women in 2007. The women who participated on the killings wrote in her journal how funny it was to see "whitey" cry for daddy. What made Channon or "whitey" very for her dad was the beatings with a stick and rapes she endured. The killers poured bleach down her throats and on her genitals and put her upside down in a dumpster where she slowly died. If the killers were white and the victims black we would have heard all about this but because Channon and Chris were white and their killers were black no one cares I under stand than black people are victims of police brutality more often than white people but please acknowledge that brutal black on white murderers like these ons are ignored because of the victims race.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T18:51:15.6499806-05:00
"You base this off nothing. It's your own blind bias caused by whatever." - Are you daft? I provided several links from various sources that contain research and statistics that prove EXACTLY what I said. And so does this - http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/12/police-stop-and-search-black-people - So continue to wallow in your own ignorance and bias like I said before. And you know if Dilara comes to defend you, you're probably just as delusional as she is.
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:58:13.9652311-05:00
Brian. I'm not delusional just because I've proved you wrong and given facts that you keep denying. I have facts on my side. Why don't you read about the murderers of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, zemir begic, kelli olaughlin and Kevin Shiflet. I'll read any article you want me to if you just read the Wikipedia articles or local news articles on these white victims of murderer by black people. And please admit that black on white crime is more co
Dilara says2015-04-24T18:59:07.5310833-05:00
Admit that black on white crime is more common than white on black crime but us under reported because of the race if the victims and killers
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T19:00:59.1955259-05:00
Briantheliberal: ignoring every valid point in an argument and focusing on the semantics since 2013. You basically ignored everything Dilara and I said and just said we're "delusional." Well good for you for believing that buddy. Regarding your link from... Sigh... The Guardian.... Cops searching blacks more might have something to do with blacks making up the majority of ghettos or poorer populations, which is why there's an increase in crime. Maybe this has to do with the wealth levels instead of race, I don't know, just an option. Also, thanks for dropping 95% of the points made by myself, Dilara, Renegader, Bookworm, and even 5567856236 or whoever, lol. Until you can address our points instead of resorting to mindlessly calling us delusional because we disagree on a topic (golly gee I wonder why you won't accept a debate on this subject), nobody is going to take you seriously. So keep on ignoring 95% of everyone's argument, you're only digging your hole deeper.
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:01:03.4074719-05:00
WNdebator couldn't have said it better.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T19:02:19.7372933-05:00
Varrack, "Affirmative Action is another form of racism." - You know what else is a form of racism? The fact that white convicts are just as if not more likely to be hired by an employer than a black or Latino man with NO criminal record. - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/17/nyregion/17felons.html?_r=0 - Or the fact that a white high school dropout is just as, if not more likely to get a job than a black college student or graduate. - http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/06/25/3452887/education-race-gap/ - Or the fact that employment and education are biasly skewed to favor white people over minorities - http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/examplesofsystemicracism - Or the fact that people with a "white" anglo-saxon name is more likely to receive more callbacks from employers than people with "ethnic" sounding names. - http://www.forbes.com/sites/ruchikatulshyan/2014/06/13/have-a-foreign-sounding-name-change-it-to-get-a-job/ - When all of this changes, then you can talk about how "racist" Affirmative Action is, until then, stop complaining because either way, YOU still have an advantage, non-whites do not. Deal with it.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T19:07:10.8512796-05:00
Mister_Man, I ignore Dilara because she has a history of resorting to nonsensical, irrelevant rhetoric that has nothing to do with the actual topic, she just spews random "facts" and "situations" in hopes of getting a reaction and furthering her own bias because, like you, she must make white people the victim all the time instead of actually listening to anything anyone has to say. Now, wait and watch her prove my point.
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:09:13.6550293-05:00
Brian I'm still waiting for you to read about those white murderer victims and tell me about it. If you don't get back to me on it I'll assume that you didn't read bout them because you don't like the fact that I've proven you wrong and are in denial that this stuff happens to whites all the time. And do you even know who the Anglo-Saxons are? Or is that just a term you heard.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T19:09:18.7824047-05:00
And fyi, police stopping blacks transcends "ghetto" and poor neighborhoods. They also stop and harass blacks in Middle and Upper class neighborhoods. YOU are the one ignoring people's arguments.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T19:10:48.0926960-05:00
Dilara, I am not even bothering with you. I honestly didn't read anything you had to say so I don't see the point in responding to me when I am not even talking to you. Bye bye.
Bookwormav says2015-04-24T19:20:13.3951777-05:00
Brian, I know where your coming from. Yes, there is a still a large problem with racism in our country. There has been a problem with it for years. Almost nothing we do can stop racism from forming. Race is apart of who we are as people, and with that will come hate. Something's just cannot be rationalized, and the human mind is one of them. As much as we try to stop racism, it is a part of the world and has been for decades. We cannot ever be rid of it. What we can do though is try to treat everyone we meet as equals. Small things that we do can have an impact on the world. Another thing to do is convince others not to judge a person solely on their race. Being black does not instantly make you a thug, nor does being white make you privileged. Like I said before, we have to keep a level head on situations between the cop, media, blacks , whites, and every other race or group in between. I do think that the media tends to blow things way out of proportion, and that they pick and choose the stories they report on. They overly personify the black man while the cop just becomes a grumpy face next to the happy black victim. They do not cover the story fairly.
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:22:05.0746356-05:00
My facts are completely relevant to this pill. I am showing how the media has a pro black bias witch is what the poll asks about. Still waiting for you to learn about Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, Kevin Shiflet, zemir begic, and kelli olaughlin. Here's some more white people killed by black people you probably don't care about: David santucci who was shot to death randomly by 3 black men at 27. Jane Juergens was killed by a black men while jogging, Bon straight and Nancy straight raped and beaten to death in their home by Tyrone woodforke. Page stalker was 16 hem a black man killed her execution style, Ashleyatie Scott who was killed while sitting in her vehicle, keith passmore who was 12 when he was shot and killed while leaving a birthday party in a black neighborhood, Jonathan foster who was blow torched to death at 12 by Mona Nelson a 44 year old black women. Brendan Michael Wilson who was murdered by a group of hoax teens near his high school, Anthony lee Wilson who was two when he was tortured and beaten to death by two black men and a women in Palmdale California. I guess you don't care about a two year old who was tortured to death because he was white and the killers were black. Can you imagine-- a 2 year old being tortured to death probably crying for his mom and dad, just wanting to go home and play with his stuffed animals and trucks. I guess that's fine with you because he was white.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T19:33:21.0737689-05:00
"...Like you, she must make white people the victim all the time..." - Actually, her and I simply dispute the idea that blacks are "little itty bitty innocent victims to the big bad powerful white supremacist society" all the time. That's it. You've ignored every case she's brought up on black-on-white racial violence as well as WNdebater's rant, most importantly, "Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Despite this, far more news coverage is devoted to the relatively rare occasions when blacks are the victims." So whattayagotta say about that? Also, "Dilara, I am not even bothering with you. I honestly didn't read anything you had to say..." GREAT JOB ARGUING YOUR POINT, PAL.
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:33:51.5251641-05:00
How privileged two year old anthony Wilson must have been to be tortured to death by three black adults. Why don't you tell his parents how privileged they are. I bet they thank their white privilege god every day for their sons death. If these people were so privileged why didn't the white privilege fairy save them from their brutal murderers?. If you don't answer me I'll assume your ignoring me because I've proven you wrong. As far As I'm concerned me, varack, rendegar and mister man have all ready won.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T19:35:54.4801207-05:00
Hey Dilara, I didn't hear about any of that on the news, they just won't shut up about Michael Brown being an innocent college student viciously killed by racist white cops!
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:42:50.7204053-05:00
Hie mister man. I know michael brown didn't deserve to die but his death was still a result of his actions. For example is someone knowingly and willingly jumps off a building and breaks their leg than maybe they aren't a bad person who deserves to break their leg but still they chose to when they did a dangerous action. Brown chose how death when he decided to charge a cop. He brought his death upon him self. And people actually got upset and pics were shown of him looking like a thug even though that's what he was and that was just the meadiatelling the truth. The were upset about the truth being told . They wanted the media to keep lying and spreading the gentle giant myth.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T19:45:31.1116486-05:00
Too many people would rather appear to be politically correct and not offend anyone than tell/know the truth. These kids being killed by cops aren't just being killed because of their skin colour, they're being killed because they put themselves in dangerous situations and came off as aggressive and violent, causing police officers to fear for their safety. Although it is unfortunate that these kids were killed, I agree, they put themselves in that situation by not being respectful, decent citizens.
Dilara says2015-04-24T19:52:29.8339327-05:00
I call it black privilege . Assault a cop and rob a store...But you'll be painted an a gentle giant.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T19:56:58.1088524-05:00
Yeah what exactly is this "white privilege" myth everyone is going on about? Last time I checked, a white guy can't attack a block watch guy after looking through windows with items in his bag commonly used to break into houses with then wrestle for his gun and after getting shot, cause widespread riots because "he's just an innocent little boy."
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:01:36.9606399-05:00
Hm Brian hasn't replied...I wonder why... And a white guy can't shoot a charging criminal with our being labeled a racist killer and getting death threats. But a black person can torture a white two year old to death and no one will care. White privilege is the assumption that all white people automatically have easier lives than all black people. It's racist to assume that someone is privileged before knowing their life story in my opinion. Yeah your two year old was tortured to death or your husband hammered to death, your poor, you've had pro else with domestic abide, you have , your disabled..But your white so you are privileged.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:02:26.0073543-05:00
Bookwormav, I understand what you are saying but people like Mister_Man and Dilara are part of the problem. They wallow in their privilege, find excuses to blame and cover up systematic racism against minorities in this country AND try to paint themselves as the victim instead of actually listening and being aware of everything going on around them. Then they say, black victims getting media attention after being shot for no reason is a result of "black privilege". I mean really? Being more likely to be shot and killed by cops regardless of whether or not you actually did anything wrong is a privilege that black people have now? And then they deny holding any racial bias against non-whites. It's pathetic.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:06:22.0680675-05:00
And fyi Mister_Man, you and I actually agree on a lot regarding this issue, you're just way too daft and bull-headed to see past your own biases and realize that I actually agreed with some things you said more than once. It's when you go around distorting what I say, denying actual instances of racism and racial bias, denying the privilege you have as a white person in a majority white country and over-generalizing that we have an issue.
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:08:01.1373702-05:00
Brian I stated that I am aware of the police brutality blacks face because of their race. I am just answering the queshtions to this poll. I am showing how black I white crime is more common than white on black on white crime but doesn't get reported because of the medias pro black bias. Why won't you admit you are wrong.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:08:06.8539392-05:00
As for you Dilara, I told you more than once to stop addressing me. I really don't care for anything you have to say. Leave my name OUT of your ridiculous posts.
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:10:16.9119729-05:00
Brian you can't prove me wrong or refute my arguments so your asking me to stop talking to you? You've been proven wrong and you don't like that. Anthony Wilson was a two year old who was tortured to death by three black adults and no one cares because of people like you who believe he had privilege. I don't know about you but privileged people don't get tortured to death when they're two.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:11:12.8539315-05:00
Wow. Thats a level of outright denial that I have never seen. Brian has literally ignored every legitimate piece of evidence that others use to support their arguments.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:11:34.7746495-05:00
I continue to ask myself, when will the world grow up, and realize that we are all one human being, separated by petty feuds and greed? ._.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:12:23.6003850-05:00
@5 Brian gave valid points, as well as giving proper statements against them.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:13:53.7065626-05:00
I literally just said stop talking to me. It has nothing to do with me not wanting or being able to refute you and your ridiculous points, I simply don't care to have a conversation with you, especially here in the comments. Based off of my past experiences with you blatantly ignoring everything I say and pushing your vitriol of people who don't agree with or submit themselves to anything you believe, I don't think you are a person worthy of having a rational discussion.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:14:55.2645572-05:00
@CommunistDog Yes, he has. Several things he has brought up are legitimate statements and concerns. But he has simply outright rejected anyone else's evidence that may be used to counter him. Thats a level of denial that simply surprises me.
Bookwormav says2015-04-24T20:16:06.5102139-05:00
Brian, I like to consider myself an open minded person. I like to have all of the facts before I make a decision, and even then I can change my opinion if viable evidence is shown. Yes, whites have killed blacks, but blacks killing whites is also true. While we hear almost every day on news channels that a white man has killed a black man, we never hear about the stories that Dilara and Mister Man have supplied. This is the first time I have ever heard of such things. You can even tell by the photos the media uses and the adjectives they use while telling the story how they seem to be on the black mans side. Even the people who are supposed to represent the police officers back out and leave there people hanging by themselves. Even if the officer is proved innocent in court, the crowds still cry out for the blood of the man. I just don't understand how to some people one persons life hold more then anothers.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:16:32.7682624-05:00
58539672, the only person in denial here is you. You clearly, and purposely, dismissed all of my refutations towards Mister_Man and others and conveniently deny or ignore the fact that he did exactly what you accuse me of more than once.
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:17:55.5549129-05:00
Brian. You have ignored all the facts I've given you directly relating to this poll and proving you wrong but you won't admit it. You being a racist, ignorant denying person is what makes me dislike you not the fact that you disagree with me. I have friends who I disagree with but I still like them because they are open minded and don't deny facts when proven wrong.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:18:40.2335993-05:00
By the way... The previous statement was wrong... But nevermind that... Anyway, I feel that Brian had every right to disregard everyone's statements. Even I felt some were ridiculous. Yes, some people of different ethnic races have committed crimes intentionally, but the media obviously tries to make problems that were falsely blamed on a person of a different race or a small crime into something large because of their racial differences.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:18:54.3984901-05:00
@briantheliberal My point exactly.
Mister_Man says2015-04-24T20:20:25.1893044-05:00
Brian, you do know, that without a single bit of evidence to support your claim, you can replace the race with anything? People like Briantheliberal and CommunistDog are part of the problem. They wallow in their privilege, find excuses to blame and cover up systematic racism against whites in this country AND try to paint themselves as the victim instead of actually listening and being aware of everything going on around them. - See how easy that was? The difference is Dilara and I have shown multiple examples of ACTUAL racism against whites by blacks, which gets absolutely zero media attention, whereas your examples of blacks attacking cops and getting shot gets all the media attention for weeks. If you could point out what we agree on, I'd like to see it. I notice we agree on practically everything except when it comes to racial issues, and when you disagree with someone, you rail in the ad hominem attacks and just call them racist or some sort of prejudice. You're blatantly ignoring every single one of Dilara's points because "you don't feel like talking to her now," which is absolutely ridiculous. Like I said, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you'll address the most popular/valid points, instead of insulting people and running away.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:23:28.0398442-05:00
Bookwormav, I never denied black on white violence or crime, but it clearly has nothing to do with any of the previous points I made. My argument wasn't about who kills who more, it's about the inherent bias demonstrated by the society we live in in regards to the consequences of said situations. When a white law enforcement officer or civilian wrongfully kills a black man for no reason, all he has to do is claim self-defense and the charges are ultimately dismissed, many times without trial because it is assumed that person was in the wrong before any case is even filed. Such is not the case the other way around. While Dilara is sitting here whining about media coverage, ALL of the black men who murdered their white victims WENT TO JAIL. The same cannot be said for cases where the race of the victim and the perpetrator are reversed.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:24:02.4513515-05:00
The evidence I need is in the media itself. Listen to the tone of the reporters' voice, what ideas and claims they provoke, and how they only talk about one side but not the other. Also, how come you assume that I'm not white... I-I'm actually white... Just trying to prove a point about how we all deserve to live in a world where we dont deny or belittle someone for their race... O_O
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:26:41.3406833-05:00
Mister_Man, very pathetic tactic of reversing the situation but no. White people benefit from systematic racism more than ANYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. Stop with these "All white people are victims" nonsense. You know it's NOT true, and you are not a victim and never have been regardless of your circumstances. Again, this is why I cannot have a rational discussion with you, you're not rational, you're willfully ignorant.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:27:32.4588083-05:00
Dilara playing the racist card with no evidence... Shocking. You are dismissed.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:28:33.9888419-05:00
I think it also largely depends on the media source that you are receiving your information from. Some will lean more in the direction of one side while others do the opposite. The most common that I noticed is simply changing certain words to paint a different picture. Changing the word "young adult" to "kid" can have some profound results for instance.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:29:33.4097863-05:00
58539672, you had no point to begin with, just your own bias.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:30:28.6774319-05:00
@5 I do agree that it depends on the media source. Yet, it seems like when there is a bias news station on racial matters, they immediately take the White person's side.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:35:27.4092411-05:00
CommunistDog, it's just like when children go missing, white children get more media coverage on average than minority children, even if there is an immediate danger to the child.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:36:44.7776411-05:00
@CommunistDog If the bias news station is, oh lets say, Fox News, than you are correct. But biases can go both ways and does not always mean against. Several left leaning news stations are bias and are supportive of the Black persons side.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:38:08.6342890-05:00
58539672, I even agreed with that statement before, yet you falsely accuse me of being in denial about it.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:45:06.6233684-05:00
This argument led me to relating it to the Darfur genocide on a lower level. Darfur is in Sudan, populated mainly by Africans and Arabs. The government, neglecting people of darker skin color, set out the Janjaweed militia (a government funded group of soldiers) to KILL them. Over 500,000 have died, 3 million displaced, millions still at risk. It was declared a genocide by President Bush in 2004, yet nothing else has been done by the media or America. In a way, I can connect the media to this because these are extremely important issues that Africans face. The only protection between the Janjaweed and the innocents are the UN soldiers, the Nigerian army. Yet, they go unfunded and without weaponry most of the time. If the news stations at least tried to make ONE story on Darfur, more people would take notice; more donations would be given as well as support; and the government might help a TINY bit at least for this cause. But, seeing as no actions by the media have been done about this, I feel that most media fails to acknowledge the cruelty inflicted on different races for their darker skin tones or their physical appearance brought by genetics.
58539672 says2015-04-24T20:46:01.7229216-05:00
@briantheliberal, Up until now, I actually have not given my side of things. I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I have problem with your tendencies to present your own evidence, have others comment on that evidence with their own, and you simply ignoring that evidence and resorting to insults. If someone makes a statement that you don't agree with, you should counter their argument with additional evidence, not resort insults and rejection of the entire argument. Keep things civil.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:50:30.6602879-05:00
@5 While I agree that we should keep things civil, there has been a large argument going on concerning the understand as to how the media is describing victims and/or criminals; whether it be on evidence and/or observations or simply because of their racial profile. The tension has been rising and the importance of this question is being more and more emphasized. This isn't a mere debate, this could mean a small victory which can affect many, as to how people think of dark skinned people. Maybe, today, will influence people to grow up, and realize that the color of one's skin should not be the reason as to why we do not like a human being.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:52:47.9183254-05:00
I did not ignore any evidence, nor did I resort to insults. I even told Bookwormav the same thing. I never denied black on white violence or crime, but it clearly has nothing to do with any of the previous points I made. My argument wasn't about who kills who more, or for what reason. It's about the inherent bias demonstrated by the society we live in in regards to the consequences of said situations. Are some media outlets biased in favor of black victims? Yes. But there are media outlets who are biased AGAINST black victims. I voted 'no' because the vast majority are NOT biased in favor of blacks, some white people see simply see it that way because they want to believe they are oppressed and victims of racism in a situation that has nothing to do with them. Most of the recent issues that caught media attention were not because the victims were black, it's because there was outrage about it, and the media makes money off of public opinion and reaction.
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:57:41.1534051-05:00
Brian everyone seems to hate all th cops who kill black men justified or not. Give me some examples of a black man being killed by a white cop and that white cop walking away free. It doesn't king if the cop was charge.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T20:58:57.5938951-05:00
CommunistDog, I agree but the problem is, most people can't let go of their ridiculous biases and see past their own interests. This is why people who think like Mister_Man exist. It doesn't matter how much power, or how much of an advantage someone has in society, they will deny it, and blame the other side for their incompetence, and criticize you for calling it out for what it is. It really comes down to one thing - privilege. And the more privilege a person has the less likely they are able to empathize with those who don't benefit from it. This is partly the reason why some white Americans trying to claim a false sense of victimhood even though they benefit from systematic racism at the expense of everyone else. They just don't WANT to see reality.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T20:59:04.2086751-05:00
Dilara, do you deny it ENTIRELY, that the media has never been bias based off of racial profile?
Dilara says2015-04-24T20:59:21.0903081-05:00
Your a coward to ignore my evidence, play the race card and resort to name calling when you have been proven wrong. A real mature adult would admit when they are wrong but you just run away.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:02:50.7690862-05:00
I have just given many examples of the media not reporting herenduos black on white crimes and over reporting stories where whites kill blacks out of self defense. There is a racial bias in the media against whites.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:02:59.8807199-05:00
DIlara, you discarded all of Brian's (or rather Brain's :3) claims. In fact, I doubt you listened to what he said, and instead went along with your argument. If you understood what Brian said or at least cared to take a peek at it with consideration, you would completely understand his point of view. I've looked at your talk with a little consideration, yet your words cannot compare to Brian's claims.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:03:07.5415164-05:00
Dilara, I was actually going to respond to you. If you shut up and let people speak for once instead of interjecting the same bullsh-t over and over and falsely accusing me of being a racist maybe then I can have a rational discussion with you, but you can't even do that much.
58539672 says2015-04-24T21:03:35.8060785-05:00
Brian does bring up an interesting point however. These instances of cops shooting blacks, be it justified or not, has always been going on. Its nothing new. Yet we have been hearing about it a lot more due to the protests resulting from these clashes. If that is taken into account, even the media supporting the black side did it for the purpose of gaining views.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:05:19.1099407-05:00
I acknowledge that black people have to put up with more police brutality than white people and are often racially profiled. He won't admit that black on white crime is more common than white on Black crime and doesn't get reported because of the anti white bias.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:06:58.9808523-05:00
Dilara, now if you need an example of a cop killing a black person for no reason and walking free, I will do even better than that. Joseph Weekly, a cop in Detroit, broke into a family's house during a raid and murdered their sleeping 7 year old daughter by shooting her in the head. The charges against him were dropped and he was never charged for her murder. This literally happened not long ago and got little to NO media coverage. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/joseph-weekley-charges-dismissed-aiyana-stanley-jones_n_6566032.html
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:08:02.6457890-05:00
Brian I politely gave you some names to look up and asked if you wanted to give me any links to look at so we can understand each other's points or view. You said you ignored me and you did. If you hadn't ignored and you had just looked up those people that would be great.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:08:25.1411332-05:00
Dilara, as you assigned to Brian, please state how Black-On-White crime is more common. Use a resource(s) to support your statement. A proper ratio with the link as to where your found it is suitable to prove that statement.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:08:40.5494573-05:00
"He won't admit that black on white crime is more common than white on Black crime and doesn't get reported because of the anti white bias." - WRONG, I actually did agree with that assertion more than once. Again, stop lying and falsely accusing me of things you know aren't true.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:10:11.1263856-05:00
And it's actually not because of "anti-white" bias, you have no proof of that.
58539672 says2015-04-24T21:11:25.7500995-05:00
@Dilara True that black on white crime is more prevalent than white on black crime, but aren't those figures in regard to civilian crimes. In regard to police on black vs police on white, blacks tend to be on the worse end of the stick. For instance, regardless of the Michele Brown case, the Department of Justice did find an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to racial profiling from the Ferguson police department.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:13:09.5251639-05:00
Did he shoot her on accident or on purpose? Anthony lee Wilson was a two year old white boy who was tortured to death by a black women and two black me in Palmdale California a couple years ago. No media attention though if the races had been reversed we would have heard about it. Do you see what I mean? Do you see why me,mister man and others are frustrated? That three people can torture a two year old to death and the media won't care because the victim is white and the killers are black?
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:16:06.4195008-05:00
@Dilara That was domestic violence. The parents unrightfully abused their child. Although it was unkind and cruel, it was posted on media including newspapers and internet databases.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:17:58.1293659-05:00
But the DOJ found that brown didn't have his hands up when he died and that Wilson was justified. The fact that brown was shot in the front if the hand and not the palm (making it impossible for him to have had his hands up) browns blood on Wilson's uniform, gun and car, the shot to browns palm from close range and gun res in his shirt all supporting Wilson's claim that brown attacked him and the 7 Black witnesses who said brown charged Wilson and the fact that the witnesses who said brown had his hands up changes their stories serval times.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:18:12.8893445-05:00
You see that is what I am talking about. He still wasn't following police protocol and shot her without assessing the scene first, which is a crime. Also, another thing you fail to consider Dilara, is that white people kill other white people far more than any black person, and vice versa. YOU make it about race when it's convenient for you, and falsely accuse people of being 'anti-white' because the media doesn't spotlight it. You also don't take into account that pretty much every black murderer has gone to prison for their crimes against their white victims, the same cannot be said the other way around, and THAT is the issue here. THAT is why it gets so much protests and attention from the media, NOT because the victims were black but because Americans are aware that white people are less likely to be charged for the murder of their black victims.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:20:09.4232478-05:00
How about Kevin Shiflet who was 8 when a black men walked up to him as he played in his yard and slit his throat because he "hated white people". This was in Alexandria Virginia. And how about 14 year old kelli olaughlin who was stabbed to death after she caught a Black man stealing from her families home.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:20:41.1850514-05:00
Dilara, who the hell is talking about Ferguson here? Nobody but you.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:21:47.0486736-05:00
Again, Dilara, irrelevant to the topic of discussion. You keep reminding me why I don engage in conversation with you.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:21:49.6538903-05:00
Diara, overall, you hold no statements to prove that your statements are real, such as the claim that Black-On-White violence is more common that White-On-Black violence. :/
58539672 says2015-04-24T21:21:52.5805791-05:00
@briantheliberal I actually brought it up as an example since it is an event that everyone at least knows.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:22:48.2790076-05:00
Do you have any other examples? And I've been telling you this for a long time . According to the DOJ 93% of black prowl who are murderered are murdered by other black people. You would accuse me of trying to change the subject.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:23:18.5432601-05:00
58539672, Okay understandable, but everyone already knows the logistics of that particular case, whether we agree with them or not.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:24:19.6917522-05:00
Again, I continue to ask you, Dilara, where did you get this evidence? Please use a link as to where you found it.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:24:49.2734417-05:00
Communist dog. I all ready gave you my fbi statistics. Black on white violent crimes a year-320,000. White on Black violent crimes a year-60,000 black on white murderers a year-400. White on black murderers a year-180.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:25:05.4975457-05:00
Dilara, "You would accuse me of trying to change the subject." - Because that is literally ALL YOU DO when anyone talks about race and violence in the same sentence. You simply must interject every damn time and bring up things that have nothing to do with the actual topic.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:26:14.6683891-05:00
So... Where are the links as to where your information is?
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:27:10.9231439-05:00
Fbi expanded homicide data table 6
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:28:13.8923589-05:00
Brian in this case I was directly answering the question and proving how the media has a pro black bias.
58539672 says2015-04-24T21:28:30.9196625-05:00
Here it is http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:28:32.0844255-05:00
Link... O-o
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:29:26.1596166-05:00
Dilara, how does that prove anything?
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:29:42.9765244-05:00
Fbi expanded homicide date table 6
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:32:31.1300023-05:00
*data And Brian the poll asked if the media had a pro black bias and I have used statics and examples to prove that. Black on white crime is more common than white on valid crime but doesn't get reported while white on black killings of self defense are always reported and the white person who killed out of self defense is labeled racist for protecting them selves.
CommunistDog says2015-04-24T21:33:10.7667731-05:00
I agree with Brian. Technically, that information is consisting of plain facts, nothing with opinions being involved. Thus, the information isn't bias. Additionally, this is media, the reason being that it is an agency and a resource open to the public.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:33:20.7676296-05:00
*black not valid
58539672 says2015-04-24T21:33:24.1079419-05:00
@briantheliberal mostly it shows that white on white crime is #1, followed by black on black, then black on white, then white on black. He is technically right, but this is a 2013 study, so it may not be relevant of 2015.
Dilara says2015-04-24T21:38:29.6145571-05:00
Alright I'm going to bed. Please at least try and understand where we are coming from and absorb the Information I've given you and at least look I to those names of white people killed by black people I've given you. I'll read about Aiyana jones tomorrow.
briantheliberal says2015-04-24T21:39:13.8153836-05:00
Dilara, again not true. They do get reported, they just don't get national media attention and I already explain why that is the case, which you overtly ignored.
Bookwormav says2015-04-25T08:34:51.2487244-05:00
Black on white crime doesn't get reported as much as white on black crime because the news media knows that people will react to it. Black communities are more tight knit then most others, and when they feel that one of their own has been killed or mistreated. The seem to begin to riot without having all the facts. They argue against every thing a nay sayer says, and we only hear about thir views from the media. The fact is, the media is somewhat bias to blacks. They report on their side of the situation more then the others.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T08:46:06.7078707-05:00
Bookworm, that is not a fact. Unless you have statistical information with the source (link), it still remains an opinion and/or an inaccurate response to this argument.
Dilara says2015-04-25T09:26:30.8344665-05:00
Brian. Do you remember Casey Anthony? A 2 year old who was killed? How much media attention did that get? A lot. If her killer had been black you wouldn't have heard of her. Find me some mainstream national (not local) reports on these cases: Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, Kevin Shiflet, kelli o' Laughlin, zemir begic, David Dunlap and Whitney butler, page stalker, david santucci, anthony lee Wilson. If you can find me some mainstream national reports on these cases that will be great.
Dilara says2015-04-25T10:36:58.6455046-05:00
Communist dog. Why don't you find me some mainstream national reports on these white people murdered by black people :David Dunlap and Whitney Butler, Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, Kevin Shiflet, Zemir Begic, Kelli O Laughlin, Page Stalker, Jonathan foster, Bob and Nancy Straight, Anthony lee Wilson.
Dilara says2015-04-25T11:05:50.2089487-05:00
Brian and communist dog. I'm still waiting for those repots.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T11:06:36.5238572-05:00
I'm sorry but I must.... Lol...
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T11:09:12.9158622-05:00
You, Dilara, do not respond to me on what I claim, yet you feel I must write an entire report for you? Fight for your own side and I'll fight for mine.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T12:05:24.0878818-05:00
Over 5,000 instances were reported of hate crimes. About 48% were from racial identity. From the data, it shows that about 2,872 crimes were committed against another race. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/december/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released
Mister_Man says2015-04-25T14:23:24.1139734-05:00
Ah, so there are about 3x as many hate crimes against blacks (by an unknown aggressor), however about 3x as many MURDERS of whites BY black aggressors. How about you cry more. Blacks are KILLING whites, whereas a little more than half of hate crime is against blacks. BRIAN, the topic at hand is media bias. Not whether or not anyone went to jail, not even hate crime or murder statistics. Dilara actually makes valid points (even though you choose to ignore them and call her blind to her own privilege) when she brings up the incredible lack of media coverage for white victims of black crimes fueled by blatant racism, whereas black victims of white self-defense situations are spread nationwide as "another racist white person executes young black kid." I don't know how you can ignore this. It's quite pathetic how absolutely arrogant you are about this whole topic, and I'm honestly ashamed to be a member of a site with biased, disrespectful, arrogant, belittling liberal extremist members like yourself.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T14:33:38.3094476-05:00
I am ashamed to be a part of a community consisting of those who continue to be racist. And yes, I intend to mean that this argument is becoming to talk about racial superiority. The poll simply asked about your opinion as to whether you feel the media is or isn't biased for people with dark skin. Yet, people think of it like "Are African Americans superior and/or more important than whites."
Mister_Man says2015-04-25T14:42:00.9946922-05:00
CommunistDog, I'm not sure if you're responding to me or not, but I'm anything but racist.... I even pointed out that that's exactly what this poll is about, so you basically just repeated what I said. Is the media biased for blacks? Yes. Because they focus on white-on-black violence and turn it into "blacks are oppressed, whites are racist" as much as possible, whereas black-on-white ACTUAL racially motivated killings/violence is not covered at all. That's why I believe the media is biased for blacks. It's BrianTheExtremist who got all up in arms and started putting words in my mouth as well as attempting to belittle myself and Dilara while being an extremely disrespectful bigot who blindly asserts that people who disagree with him are racist and have a privilege that he's not willing to prove exists or at least argue about it. Instead he runs away and insults us. If it was as simple as "Is the Media Bias for Blacks?" then this could be good, but Brian decided to bring up non-media related stuff.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T14:50:11.7455740-05:00
Well, really more to Dilara's statements. It seemed that, by the tone of how he/she wrote, Dilara feels frustrated about Blacks. I understand some stories of Black-On-White violence were (or were not) forgotten by the news (even though some of his/her examples were on the news) were in no way right and cruel punishments are deserved towards the aggressor, but it almost seems like he/she is saying that Black people are more brutal and cruel than white people.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:20:24.2706210-05:00
Dilara, Casey Anthony? Are you for real? That case has NOTHING to do with race. Stop playing the race card when it's convenient for you. You try way too hard to make white people look like the victim in every situation and THAT is why I think you're irrational and not worth taking seriously. You also ignore everything people say to you when it's something you know destroys your logic and faulty thinking.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:24:44.8719620-05:00
Communist dog. Give me a link or something to look up l. I'll look at it and try to understand what you are saying but please try and find me national mainstream reports on at least one of the murderers that I listed. I have simply been proving that the media is biased for blacks. My school is 60% black and most of my friends are black. I have nothing against Black people. I am however frustrated by the median lack of coverage of Blair on white crime.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:27:23.3876688-05:00
Why must I research your project?
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:27:24.3060060-05:00
"My school is 60% black and most of my friends are black." - The typical and overused "I am not a racist because I have black friends" statement. Nice.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:28:10.3733966-05:00
My point is that a two year old being tortured to death understandingly usually gets media attention. Casey Anthony is just one example. The murderer of Anthony lee Wilson should have gotten lots of media attention like the other cases of children being brutally murdered but it didn't. Can you give me a good reason for that? Why didn't his death receive as much attention as the others?.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:29:39.4371582-05:00
Although that was a very bad and cruel act, the murder of the child was his mother and the mother's boyfriend. I might be wrong, but I don't think it was out of racial aggression.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:33:28.8172413-05:00
Brian. Assuming that beaus I am white I am privileged with out knowing my story is racist. How would you feel if you were a poor white man who dealt with sexual abuse for his entire life and became paralyzed as a kid than when he grew up had a child who died of cancer but people assume that your privileged just because your white. I'm not racist. Pointing out the media pro black anti white bias isn't racism. Facts aren't racist.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:37:49.9113386-05:00
How about the case of zemir begic. The 32 year old was driving in St. Louis with his wife when a group of black and Hispanic teens begun beating up his car. After he got out of the car to confront them they hammered him to death. According to a witness the teens yelled " kill whitey" before the attack. This was just after the ferguson verdict and the killers had gone to a pro Michael Brown rally. Find me a mainstream report that mentions all that info.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:38:16.6368240-05:00
No, you're point is that you needed to play the race card and blame black people for something they have nothing to do with once again. You want to know why the Casey Anthony case became so popular and attracted so much media attention? - White people. The vast majority of Americans, like Casey Anthony, are white and Middle class, therefore the case resonates with vast majority of Americans. The media feeds off of the attention that the majority of Americans give it and makes money from it. This has nothing to do with anti-white racism, or the media favoring blacks over whites. If anything it proves just the opposite considering no black child who has ever gone missing or been found murdered has gotten that much attention from the media, because the vast majority of Americans don't care about it.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:43:21.3904403-05:00
Brian that's not at all the point I was trying to make. Once again your avoiding my question. A little child being murdered is a cause for national media attention. Why didn't the murderer of anthony lee Wilson get any attention like the other cases of murdered children? I am aware of missing white women syndrome. Pretty middle to upper class young white women who go missing will usually receive more media attention than a poor, minority , non attractive person. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fact that the media ignores black on white murderers because of the fact that the victims are white and the killers are black. I've proved that to you many times.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:44:54.5738708-05:00
"Assuming that beaus I am white I am privileged with out knowing my story is racist." - No it's not racist. White people benefit from systematic racism more than anyone else in America. I never said white people did not or could not face challenges or have traumatic experiences, but based on color alone, they have an advantage over everyone else. Being sexually abused, or living in poverty, or dealing with disease doesn't somehow negate the fact that you're white in a society dominated by white people.. What part of this don't you understand? And quite honestly, all of the things you mentioned only get that much worse if they involved a person of color.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:46:22.2638793-05:00
Dilara, who are you describing when you talked about the white man who was paralyzed and lost his kid from cancer?
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:47:16.1058602-05:00
Dilara, there you are again IGNORING EVERYTHING I JUST SAID.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:47:18.8445204-05:00
How about john swoveland jr a two year old who was killed by two black teens as he played in his yard. How much attention did that murderer attract? Or Caleb woosley who was 17 when he was beaten to death in Richmond Indiana by two black men. Did anyone care? No no one cared because the victims were white and the killers were black.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:49:40.2529573-05:00
^ Case in point, I cannot deal with your delusion and willful ignorance anymore.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:51:40.5596429-05:00
That was just an example. Brian you also benefit from racism. It's called affirmative action. Not only is it racist but it's sexist. Since I am a women I benefit from sexism in the form of affirmative action but I can admit that. A white man can have better grades and more extra circular activities than you but he won't get into the school and you will only because he is white and you are black. Admit that you benefit from racism. Admit that you are privileged. See how easy that is
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:52:47.7115676-05:00
I can admit that your statement, Dilara, seems very racist.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:53:19.7083468-05:00
Bringing up facts that prove you wrong isn't ignorance. I agreed with you about missing white women syndrome. I understand what you said. You are denying what I have said because I proved you wrong
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:53:31.5956992-05:00
Bringing up facts that prove you wrong isn't ignorance. I agreed with you about missing white women syndrome. I understand what you said. You are denying what I have said because I proved you wrong.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:54:21.5319394-05:00
What statement and how?
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:54:21.6359766-05:00
How?
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:55:22.7783246-05:00
Dilara, wrong again. Affirmative Action exists for the very reason of combating systematic racism and sexism, not encourage it. I for one do not benefit from it because I don't mark 'black' or 'latino' on any of my applications. But seeing as you are a woman, you also benefit from it. Find another ridiculous excuse to deny your privilege.
Dilara says2015-04-25T15:55:27.0232536-05:00
How what
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:55:36.9149073-05:00
The statement as to saying that black people are more privileged than white people automatically and that black people feel so superior over white people. In reality, people pick white people over black people most of the time.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T15:57:01.1531858-05:00
Throwing in random 'facts' and interjecting to prove a point that doesn't exist IS a reflection of your own ignorance Dilara.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T15:57:13.4445831-05:00
How did you "prove Brian wrong" with your claims?
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T16:00:03.7379266-05:00
CommunistDog, she didn't prove me wrong. She is just interjecting and deflecting from the real issue we are discussing here. She does this all the time. I say something and she responds by saying "Sally Johnson from Bayville was murder by a bunch of black thugs... Blah blah" and doesn't listen to anything anyone says.
Dilara says2015-04-25T16:04:11.1704991-05:00
I was being sarcastic when I said that blacks are privileged over whites. And Brian the poll asked if the media was biased towards blacks. You said that it isn't and I said that it is and I gave examples of horrible black on white murderers that weren't reported and compared that to white on black self defense killings being over reported.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T16:04:19.4252046-05:00
I know. I just want to see if there is any reasoning that she can use to support her "factual evidence."
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T16:07:23.3983632-05:00
Dilara, you fail to state how Black-On-White crimes are not noticed on the media. In fact, these killings ARE on the media. Check online newspapers.
Dilara says2015-04-25T16:10:33.9860066-05:00
I have you mi reasoning in my last comment. Horrible black on white murderers even the ones involving children get little or no mainstream media attention while white on black self defense killings get over reported
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T16:11:05.8025412-05:00
Dilara, They were reported. How many times do I have to say this for you to get it? Repeating them over and over doesn't change anything. The fact that they don't get national media attention doesn't mean the media is biased towards blacks, especially when the reason isn't what you assume it is.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T16:14:20.7505138-05:00
Also you do realize that the overwhelming majority of senseless white on black crimes also don't get reported by the national media, correct?
Dilara says2015-04-25T16:19:10.1498240-05:00
Why don't you give me some links to national mainstream reports of the crimes I mentioned.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T16:22:31.5484060-05:00
Dilara, Are you even listening to wtf I am saying? I literally just said those case do get reported by the media but do not get national media attention. But the reason is a lot more than the victims being white, even though that's what you WANT to believe.
Dilara says2015-04-25T16:31:09.1948077-05:00
I asked for links to mainstream national reports of those cases. Please give me some and prove your point.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T16:52:38.2122739-05:00
You don't even know what my point is, that's the problem here.
Dilara says2015-04-25T17:02:04.0736226-05:00
You said that these crimes were reported. Prove it. Give me mainstream media reports on them or at least one.
Dilara says2015-04-25T17:45:38.8430837-05:00
Where are those reports brian?
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T18:02:29.5133020-05:00
Overall, I would like to say, that a lot of these crimes you mentioned, Dilara, are on online newspapers.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T18:03:14.6165681-05:00
Also, I don't think commanding Brian to do your work will support your argument. If you feel confident in your cause, YOU do the work.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T18:03:53.9415844-05:00
CommunistDog, that's what I told her, but she doesn't listen to anything anyone says and completely misses the point.
Dilara says2015-04-25T18:19:06.8184878-05:00
Those stories Weren't reported by the mainstream media. You guys say that they were now prove that to me. Or else I'll be right again. Prove me wrong and find a mainstream news report of at least one of these cases.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T18:34:50.7865898-05:00
Just because one side does not bear evidence to the subject, does not make them wrong automatically.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T18:45:21.9132374-05:00
Dilara, let me put this in all caps so you can read better. I literally said multiple times that I am certain ALL OF THE CASES YOU MENTIONED WERE REPORTED BUT DID NOT GAIN NATIONAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA ATTENTION. But you automatically assume it's because the victims were white and the perpetrators were black, which is NOT the case. Aside from this, you haven't really provided any evidence that any of the cases you mentioned actually occurred. I want sources for every last one of them. If you don't provide them, they never happened. If you do, then you prove my point about them being reported, which you said wasn't the case.
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:34:28.5364578-05:00
Page stakler m.Clickedondetroit.Com/news/teen-shooting-victim-was-junior-at-university-liggett-school/30370398
Bookwormav says2015-04-25T19:34:51.2659492-05:00
Brian, then why did the cases with black victims gain national coverage?
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:36:03.1672710-05:00
John swoveland jr m.Wsbt.Com/news/new-information-expected-in-south-bend-toddlers-shooting-death/25536260
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:38:26.3533184-05:00
Zemir begic www.Dailymail.Co.Uk/news/article-2855525/St-Louis-teens-beat-motorist-32-death-hammers-sparking-protests-Bosnian-community.Html
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:40:58.6662594-05:00
Keli olaughlin www.Myfoxchicago.Com/story/26434983/opening-statements-expected-in-olaughlin-murderer-trial
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:43:44.5914948-05:00
www.wjla.com/articles/2014/10/killer-of-8-year-old-boy-wants-transfer-from-va-mental-hospital-108605.html
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:46:23.5911728-05:00
The last one was about Kevin Shiflet And here's one about David Dunlap and Whitley Butler denver.Cbslocal.Com/2014/10/22/teen-accused-of-murderering-fort-carson-couple-gets-life-in-prison/
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:53:31.2711441-05:00
Here's an article on Bob and Nancy strait m.Newson6.Com/story.Aspxstory=17178698catld=112042
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T19:55:29.5955788-05:00
Dilara, thank you for proving my point. These instances have been covered by media. Thus, there are no prejudices as to race in those cases.
Dilara says2015-04-25T19:58:34.4877954-05:00
Communist dog. These are local reports and reports from alternative and non mainstream online news sites. None of these are national reports from mainstream news networks like cnn or nbc. I asked you and Brian to find me mainstream and non local national reports on these cases. These cases were covered locally but not by the mainstream american media
Dilara says2015-04-25T20:00:05.2029584-05:00
Here's a local article about autumn Pasquale a 12 year old from new jersy who was strangled to death by a black teen. 6abc.Com/archive/9198764
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T20:17:44.3005364-05:00
The question of the poll is "Is media bias for blacks?" Your response, Dilara, is supporting the argument as no/sometimes for the reason being, that you stated media that talked about Black-On-White violence. The definition of media is "the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines" and "in the fields of mass communication and advertising" (dictionary.Com) and for that reason, the media is not bias for blacks.
Bookwormav says2015-04-25T20:51:33.6330988-05:00
The point we are stating is that the mass media focuses on black on white crime way more then is does the other. We have given multiple examples of this. They favor crimes on blacks.
Dilara says2015-04-25T21:42:05.4362787-05:00
Book worm said it wrong he meant the mainstream media focuses on white on black crime and self defense killings more than black on white crime. White on black crime is always talked about in the mainstream media even though it's much less common than black on white crime and horrible black on white murderers like the ones I names are ignored while the mainstream media over reports white on Black self defense killings. Find me reports by the mainstream media (that aren't local) about the murderers I listed. If you can't don't any than it will prove my point.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T21:43:20.6996090-05:00
This has not been announced on the title or description. Thus, that policy is not able to be enacted towards this poll.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:05:41.5293993-05:00
"why did the cases with black victims gain national coverage?" - As I have mentioned multiple times before, they gain national coverage because Americans have noticed a trend in cases where black victims are killed, or brutalized and their white perpetrators face no consequences for their actions. And I am not just talking about Ferguson, I am talking about an issue that has been going on for decades and virtually ignored by the media until recently when people started protesting against it.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:06:25.6825317-05:00
Yes Dilara, thanks for proving our point.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:07:41.0558999-05:00
So you agree with me? Your admitting that the mainstream media does ignore brutal black on white murderers and over reports white on Black murderers and self defense killings? And that being true is an example of the media favoring blacks. And it's what we were arguing about in the comment section and what I was trying to tell you all along.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:11:38.9269463-05:00
"So you agree with me?" - No, but thanks for proving my point once again.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:11:40.7374125-05:00
Proving what point Brian? I've been telling you that the mainstream media does not report on these black on white crimes on a national level. The links I gave you were to alternative media reports and local reports. None of them were to national reports from mainstream news sites. And tell me some other examples of white cops brutally killing innocent black men and getting away with it. And please the DOJ even said that Darren Wilson is innocent. It doesn't account if the cop was being charged.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:15:20.4286471-05:00
Brian and communist dog. If your right and the mainstream media does report on these horrible black on white crimes nationally than give me link. Give me a link to a national mainstream report on one of these cases. You haven't done that because you know you can't because I am right. No matter now horrible the crime if the perpetrator is black and the victim is white the mainstream media will not report on it on a national level.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:16:03.4741511-05:00
Although I forgot the names, there was a recent incident where a cop shot a black civilian (near the age of 10-13). It was caught on video. No hostility was depicted by the civilian, while the cop shot him and put his gun near the dead civilian's hand to make it seem like the civilian tried to shoot him.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:17:18.2991080-05:00
I did provide a suitable statement about the media and links and so on but as you did with Brian, you choose to ignore what I am trying to tell you. -.-
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:19:08.1862886-05:00
And the cop got away with it? And you haven't responded to my previous comment. Like i said if your right and the mainstream media reports on horrible black on white crimes on a national level than give me a link to a mainstream national report on one of these crimes.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:20:54.5754172-05:00
You didn't show me a report on one of these crimes by the mainstream media. You and Brian told me that the mainstream media did report on these crimes. If they did than where are those reports.
58539672 says2015-04-25T22:21:25.0019750-05:00
Damn, this argument is still going. Who would've thunk.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:22:49.0370202-05:00
Dilara, stop deflecting and using circular logic. This is your burden of proof, not mine. You said that none of those cases were reported and that the media is anti-white and biased towards blacks because they only report and bring attention to white on black crimes, yet you just sat here and provided a list of links proving yourself wrong, including one from the Dailymail UK which is an international news media outlet. I mean really, that was the only thing you used to defend your argument and you managed to prove me right once again. These stories do get reported.. Now answer this, how many of the perpetrators in those cases you mentioned are NOT in prison right now for their crimes? I'll wait.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:23:59.0488606-05:00
585. Read the argument. I've won. I've proven that horrible Black on white crimes don't get reported by the mainstream media at a national level and white on black self defense killings do get reported by the mainstream media at a national level and therefor the mainstream media is biased towards black people.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:24:17.7376606-05:00
As I just said, Dilara, I had explanations as to the links. Please listen to my argument, as I listen to yours.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:24:30.0811453-05:00
"You and Brian told me that the mainstream media did report on these crimes." - More lies from Dilara. Quote exactly where I said this to you.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:25:56.5933641-05:00
Dilara, you didn't win sh-t, you just proved yourself wrong. And you're lying, ignoring valid points, and putting words in people's mouths in the process.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:26:33.7384606-05:00
I specifically said that the mainstream american media didn't report on these cases at a national level. All of these reports i showed were a) from a local news source b) from an alternative news source or c) from a non american news source.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:27:18.5416606-05:00
Dilara, THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID. STOP LYING.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:28:25.7325892-05:00
I agree with Brian but AS I SAID (O_O), there were sources coming from choice B.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:28:58.3258252-05:00
At 7:45 you said in all caps that all the cases I listed got national mainstream attention. If they did than where are the main stream national reports on those crimes?
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:30:38.6719996-05:00
Look at all my comments in the passed hour and I said specifically that the mainstream media did not report on these crimes at a national level.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:31:55.0529977-05:00
Dilara, he actually said national MEDIA attention. Also, to make things clear, I researched it and mainstream means ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts. O_O
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:33:56.3907673-05:00
By mainstream I mean basic, popular. These sites include abc, cnn, cbs and msnbc. Thats what mainstream means to most people.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:36:23.6776482-05:00
Dilara, quote me. I specifically said those cases received MEDIA attention, they just did not become national popular news. You switch your words around and started specifying national media, when you originally referred to media in general, as if those cases received none at all, which I said was not true.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:38:17.3843645-05:00
I even told you the reasons why they don't and you still keep pushing this "It's because the victims were white" nonsense when that isn't even the case.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:40:29.6195590-05:00
So you admit that those cases didn't get mainstream national attention. Why do you think that is.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:42:07.9422807-05:00
Dilara.... That is not in relation as to what Brian said...
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:43:53.1697871-05:00
You admit that the mainstream media ignores these cases. We've established that. But why? I say it's to promote an agenda that this stuff doesn't occur.
Bookwormav says2015-04-25T22:45:39.4965141-05:00
Everyone. Stop. This fighting isn't helping anyone. Both groups believe in what they fight for, therefore no evidence that either side presents will be enough for the other. This has turned into a hateful pissing match. Knock it off. No one is winning and no one will win. I see that now. No one is respecting anyone or even bothering to look at the evidence of the others. So everyone drop it and walk away. Fight another day.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:47:22.7265646-05:00
Well I'm going to bed. Why don't you try and find me reason why the mainstream media ignores these cases. I'm sorry I misquoted you I'm tired and I read it wrong. Good night.
CommunistDog says2015-04-25T22:48:10.7651967-05:00
My response: ._.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T22:49:43.1129652-05:00
Dilara, I just explained why about ten times in this entire conversation. Cases where the victims are black gain national coverage because most Americans have now noticed a trend in cases where black victims are killed, or brutalized and their white perpetrators, especially law enforcement, face no consequences for their actions. This is an issue that has been going on for decades and was virtually ignored by the media until recently when people started protesting against it. The protesting prompted national media to cover these stories because they know most Americans are now aware of this trend and they will tune in and make them more money. The reason why the cases you mentioned did not become national news is because they are essentially no different than most white on white, and black on black cases, where the perpetrators actually face consequences for their actions. All of the murderers in the cases you mention ARE IN JAIL. Meanwhile, that isn't the case for a lot of the cases where the victims are black, and their murderers are white. THAT is the issue here, not because the media is biased for blacks in America.
Dilara says2015-04-25T22:53:50.9677246-05:00
No matter the race a 14 year old being stabbed to death in her home should get national so media attention. Even if her killer goes to jail. And give me some more examples of whites getting away with brutally killing blacks. It doesn't count if the person was being charged.
briantheliberal says2015-04-25T23:14:05.2498727-05:00
Dilara, what I said apparently went right over your head didn't it? If the national media covered every single case of teenagers being stabbed to death, we will literally never stop hearing about it. The majority of cases involving police shooting unarmed black men aren't even reported by national mainstream media, you hear of select cases that usually spark outrage. I bet you didn't hear of Tamir Rice, a 12 year old who was shot and killed by police for playing with his toy gun on a playground near his home. The police were never charged, and he was eventually blamed for his own death by the court. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/02/its-tamir-rices-fault/ - Did you hear about Eric Garner? A black man who was choked to death ON CAMERA after he was attacked by police for no reason. He tried crying out "I can't breathe" more than once but they ignored and continued to be hostile towards him. The cop involved was never charged http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/eric-garner-grand-jury-declines-indict-nypd-chokehold-death - Or maybe you have heard of Floyd Dent, another unarmed black man who was wrongfully and brutally beaten on camera by a police officer in Michigan for no reason. He even asked "Why are you doing this?" http://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/michigan-police-beat-unarmed-black-man-during-traffic-stop#.dkMYknmX2 - The officer, William Melendez, is being charged because the victim testified. Had he not been recorded, or had a history of violence, he would have gotten away with it.
Renegader says2015-04-26T01:17:53.3539722-05:00
The point that black on white crimes still get reported is a red herring. That is irrelevant. Everyone knows they do not even generate a quarter of the media coverage that white on black does. I can see your argument regarding where some officers weren't charged, and that is abhorrent, but at least concede that black on white crimes are shrugged off comparatively.
Dilara says2015-04-26T09:40:47.7203072-05:00
In all those cases the killers got away with it?. And Melendez sounds like a Hispanic name to me.
Bookwormav says2015-04-26T11:16:29.3583170-05:00
Brian, for the case of the death of 12 year old Tamir Rice, it is a police rule that all gun or bomb threats are treated as real. When the police arrived at the park, they told Tamir to put his hands up. Instead he began to reach to his waistband. They shot him in case it was a real gun. Even if someone reported that the gun could have been fake, the police have to treat it as a real gun. Its the same as if someone called to say there is a bomb in a school. Even if there is tons of evidence it could be a prank, the have to treat it as real. And as for Eric Garner, he was resisting the police and attempting to walk away. If you see the video, you can see that the man is very large,strong and seemed agitated. The police tried to talk to him, but he did not cooperate. Therefore the police had to resort to force. He died of suffocation, but someone who is really suffocating wouldn't be able to say "I can't breathe" multiple times. And he would pads out way before he would die in a choke hold. While it is true the cops could have reacted differently, don't try to play off the two people as innocent victims.
CommunistDog says2015-04-26T13:59:00.2230762-05:00
So you're trying to say that he DIDN'T die from a chokehold...?
briantheliberal says2015-04-26T16:30:01.2920107-05:00
Dilara, Hispanic is not a race, the officer was a white-Hispanic male and the other officer was a non-Hispanic white male. And nobody said the crimes against black victims were committed exclusive by white, non-Hispanic officers. Zimmerman wasn't even a police officer, and he was a white-Hispanic male who got away with murdering a black teenager. So in a sense, I am still right about what I said.
Bookwormav says2015-04-26T20:57:03.4402870-05:00
Zimmerman was part of a community watch group. The police supported it.
Dilara says2015-04-26T22:30:54.4728788-05:00
Zimmerman was an 8th black and he was Indian Hispanic. Hispanics are often Native American (Aztec, inca ect) Spanish and sometimes black. Zimmerman was mostly indian meaning he would usually be referee to as "Hispanic" and not white Hispanic. And he got away with killing trayvon because it was an act of self defense.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T06:37:41.6469821-05:00
It was not self defense. Firstly, Trayvon didn't approach Zimmerman. Secondly, he did not have weapons, reach into his pocket or showed any hostility.
Bookwormav says2015-04-27T09:35:47.4229450-05:00
How do you know this Communist Dog?
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T09:39:48.8516402-05:00
I know this because I looked at the official investigation of the murder. I saw parts of the trial on television and looked at some news sources a while ago.
CyberConor says2015-04-27T15:45:08.1007426-05:00
@braintheliberal, do you have a job?
CyberConor says2015-04-27T15:45:32.2391778-05:00
@briantheliberal, or what are your parent's job.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T15:46:35.9659948-05:00
Cyber, excuse me for asking this, but why is this information needed?
Dilara says2015-04-27T15:55:42.2381982-05:00
Trayvon was caught with a burglary tool and stolen jewelry
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T16:11:20.5746280-05:00
"About the only thing that everyone agrees on is what Trayvon Martin was carrying when he died. There were his clothes, including a black hooded top with a badge pinned to it showing a picture of his dead cousin. There was his cellphone, on which he had been talking to a friend. In his pockets were a cigarette lighter, some earphones, a can of Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail, a little over $40 in cash, a bag of Skittles he'd just bought from a nearby 7-Eleven, and no weapon of any kind." http://www.Theguardian.Com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/15/skittles-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-acquittal Can I ask where you got that information? I can support mine with an article on the internet.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T16:16:42.9995616-05:00
Dilara, you lied about a MURDER and lack any evidence to support it. Investigators looked at Trayvon's possessions. He didn't have anything lethal against Zimmerman.
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T16:35:19.1938716-05:00
So I've missed too much of this nonsense to start responding again but from what I've read, Brian has dropped nearly all of Dilara's arguments, especially regarding reasoning for not reporting black-on-white violence. So Brian, you've failed to prove anything, and literally anything you said can easily be turned around and black people could be the subject instead of white people and it would make just the same amount of sense, considering all your "evidence" is almost strictly anecdotal.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T16:59:59.6216512-05:00
If you read more carefully, you would find that I deemed Dilara's evidence for the reason being, it was on media. Also, Dilara failed to compromise what Brian said and also did not closely or might have not read at all what Brian said.
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T17:23:53.4457809-05:00
It's getting pretty obvious both sides simply feel their stance is right and neither can see how the other can be correct. Although I disagree with Brian and Stefy and Communist, and can't really see how they can't see our evidence to support our claims, I guess you guys think the same about Dilara, Varrack, Bookworm, Renegader, and myself, so I can't really complain. I'd love for a formal debate to take place between us but that obviously won't happen considering Brian won't participate and I'm not too sure about Stefy. I wish this could go on but it seems like everyone has presented their arguments and now it's just a flame war. And guess what, I blame Brian for that. Thanks buddy :)
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T17:41:55.7927471-05:00
Says the one who took a small debate into a racial, discriminatory area...
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T18:20:08.6483787-05:00
I actually have no idea what you're trying to say.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T18:22:56.6660880-05:00
Nor do i!
Varrack says2015-04-27T18:27:01.1177926-05:00
Brian refuses to debate because he "doesn't have the time" yet he spends hours in flame wars on meaningless polls. I'm pretty convinced he's here to push an agenda, I mean look at his name. Its pretty degrading to this site to host people like that.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T18:33:09.7037180-05:00
Brian is a remarkable person. His words are inspiring to all those who listen well. While you might be skeptical, uneager to be open minded towards Brian or caught up in a large ego, I at least TRY to consider what he says.
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T18:36:44.8035303-05:00
Yeah there's a reason I thought he was a troll for the longest time. I've actually never seen anyone so passionate about a topic like this, but not passionate enough to have a formal debate on it.... I see Brian quickly responding to everything on every poll about race, attempting to degrade whites and victimize blacks, yet he "doesn't have the time" to actually debate the topic other than yell at people on a poll. Just a liberal extremist. And Communist, you don't know what you're trying to say either? Hahah
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T18:38:08.3695470-05:00
The truth hurts but at least I was brave nuff to say it unlike some people :3
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T18:38:53.1109206-05:00
Communist - implying if we have an opposing opinion we're close-minded and won't even listen to or consider what he says.... You saying that shows how biased you yourself are.
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T18:43:11.6374350-05:00
Well... Seeing that Dilara lied about Trayvon Martin, saying he tried to kill a neighborhood watchman when he did nothing of the sort is extremely disgraceful. By trying to prove a point, she mocked someone's death and lied about what happened. And seeing that you are so biased on your side that you would bring in personal opinions as to your opponents as well as discard what Brian and I have said, and self appointing yourself to be a "judge" does seem kind of annoying.
Mister_Man says2015-04-27T18:52:49.8104918-05:00
"Seeing that Dilara lied about Trayvon Martin" - She didn't. All the evidence points toward Trayvon attacking Zimmerman. The forensics and Zimmerman's story add up. "And seeing that you are so biased on your side that you would bring in personal opinions as to your opponents..." - Ah yes, even though Brian was the first one to generalize me by saying "Now, I'll leave you to your "I am a poor, oppressed white male in America" speech," I'm still the aggressor. Oh I forgot to mention Brian posted on my profile telling me to stick to YouTube. That's right, Brian took an argument/debate on a poll to my profile, attempting to call me out and belittle/degrade me. That is one of the main reasons I have little respect for him. "...As well as discard what Brian and I have said," - regarding what, exactly? "...And self appointing yourself to be a "judge" does seem kind of annoying." - When did I self appoint myself a judge?
CommunistDog says2015-04-27T19:03:26.6278116-05:00
Dilara said he did this with a "burglary tool and stolen jewelry." All he had was skittles, a lighter (which has provenly not been used to harm Zimmerman), a drink, $40, a hoodie and a picture of his dead cousin. Unless a lighter is a burglary tool and $40 is jewery, Dilara lied about half of her statement. I wouldn't be surprised if Zimmerman wasn't hit at all by Trayvon.
Dilara says2015-04-27T20:54:31.2593933-05:00
Communist dog. He was caught with the stolen jewelry and burglary tool months before the incident with Zimmerman
Dilara says2015-04-27T21:00:02.9664459-05:00
Mister man. I linked articles about black on white crime that are from alternative and local news sources. The entire time I was arguing that the national mainstream media doesn't report these crimes not that local and alternative med don't. And Zimmerman had a bashed in head and a witness say trayvon beating Zimmerman.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T07:44:37.8786085-05:00
Can you support your statement with reliable sources because I doubt that is true.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T07:47:32.7000924-05:00
Zimmerman did not have a bashed in head.
Bookwormav says2015-04-28T09:40:55.5967592-05:00
After the media gets ahold of it, does it even matter anymore? They end up showing things in a one-sided light that enrages the people. Even look at the pictures they used in the case we are discussing. They used a photo of Zimmerman in a orange jumpsuit while they had a young Trayvon next to him. Just that in itself is showing a form of bias.
Dilara says2015-04-28T16:56:12.4590246-05:00
Miami herold is my source. Look it up on google.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T17:44:47.5560017-05:00
Zimmerman's bloody face after Trayvon attacked him - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/george-zimmerman-bloody-face-photo_n_2234551.html - as well as his head from Trayvon smashing it into the ground while ontop of him, before reaching for his gun - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/trayvon-martin-case-new-p_n_1440283.html
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T17:53:02.3328922-05:00
CommunistDog, the reason you don't know about Zimmerman being bloody and bruised is because the biased liberal media doesn't want anyone to know that the black person was actually in the wrong. Just like Bookworm said, the pictures used showed a 14yo Trayvon Martin, smiling in a nice family picture, and Zimmerman in an orange jumpsuit, not smiling, in what APPEARS to be a mugshot. They DIDN'T show the current age Trayvon flashing gang signs while mean-mugging. That in itself shows a media bias toward blacks. Did anyone hear about the black cop killing the unarmed white kid? http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/08/unarmed-white-kid-shot-and-killed-by-black-cop-in-salt-lake-city/ - no? What a surprise. And oh look at that, none of the white people are crying racism, but they're complaining about police brutality. HAHAWOW
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T17:53:36.6879733-05:00
So a bloody nose is considered a bashed-in head? http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/121203083453-zimmerman-blood-story-top.jpg
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T17:54:51.2781454-05:00
I believe that it was out of self defense, that Trayvon fought for his life. Firstly, Zimmerman was only a neighborhood watch. Secondly, he was not given permission by the police to shoot.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T18:35:12.1845908-05:00
Did... Did you only look at one of my links? Either way, a bloody nose and face is evidence that supports Zimmerman's claims of being attacked. My second link shows his bloody head, which is also evidence that backs up Zimmerman's story. "Firstly, Zimmerman was only a neighborhood watch." - Yeah and? It's his job to ensure the safety of his neighbourhood, so you're right, he was neighbourhood watch. "Secondly, he was not given permission by the police to shoot." He didn't ask for permission, nor did the police "not give him permission to shoot," all the dispatcher said, regarding Zimmerman following Trayvon was "okay, we don't need you to do that." - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html - And that's it. This is not necessarily an "order to stop following Trayvon," if anything it was a suggestion. It was Trayvon attacking Zimmerman that caused Zimmerman to resort to shooting him.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T18:41:23.4175416-05:00
On my local news source, Trayvon was doing nothing more than departing (or going to) from his father's house. There were no signs which indicated Trayvon tried to hit Zimmerman first. It was most likely self defense after Zimmerman revealed his firearm and was about to shoot Trayvon.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T20:26:31.9824196-05:00
By the way, seeing as Dilara believes police-on-blacks violence "is natural" and saying that blacks are naturally strong, violent and have lower IQs, I feel that she is almost racist. Thus, I feel that the advocate for choice Yes are racist.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T20:27:22.9794734-05:00
"On my local news source, Trayvon was doing nothing more than departing (or going to) from his father's house." - It was depicted this way because the media is biased for blacks. They paint the half-Hispanic man out to be "big bad white racist murderer" and the black kid who was suspiciously looking through windows and ended up attacking Zimmerman to be the "innocent teenage boy with skittles." - "There were no signs which indicated Trayvon tried to hit Zimmerman first." - You're right, it's impossible to know who hit who first, but judging by the amount of injury on ZimZam's face and head, and the lack of injury (other than the single bullet wound) on Trayvon's body, Zimmerman's story is believable and the evidence supports the idea that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first. - "It was most likely self defense after Zimmerman revealed his firearm and was about to shoot Trayvon." - Considering Zimmerman's story is completely different, I might have to disagree, and say the exact opposite. Zimmerman said while Trayvon was ontop of him hitting him (which the evidence supports), Trayvon went for his gun, which cause ZimZam to grab it too, and overpower Trayvon, resulting in the trigger being pulled while the gun was aimed at Trayvon, and Trayvon's death.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T20:31:45.9958037-05:00
Although I strongly feel that Zimmerman tried to murder Trayvon by ethnic differences, there is no evidence that completely supports my statement. I can only argue and say that Zimmerman was given a large responsibility and that power might have gone to his head, which might have led him to thinking that if he was a neighborhood watch man and if he hurts an African American person, he would be innocent.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T20:44:32.6704726-05:00
The difference between your statement and mine is that mine actually has hard evidence to support it, although it doesn't PROVE anything, your statement relies solely on your personal beliefs and anecdotal evidence.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T20:45:41.1476289-05:00
Your previous statement was no more than a theory as well without any official links to sources that support your claim.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T20:55:19.9518846-05:00
So you ignored all the important sources I linked, and went straight for my lack of source showing Zimmerman's story? Okay, here... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/in-zimmerman-case-self-defense-was-hard-to-topple.html?_r=0 - OH AND WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT, the new York times website paints Zimmerman and his WHITE lawyers as laughing and cocky, while the black protesters are peaceful and respectful. Dear God, don't be neutral or anything, make sure the white people look like they're laughing that Zimmerman was let off the hook because the incident was self-defense (funny how the author of the article says there is zero evidence for anything, nor any eyewitnesses, yet he feels the need to say "Zimmerman had the power of self-defense laws on his side, and was helped by a spotty police investigation and prosecutorial missteps," - giving the impression that Zimmerman is OBVIOUSLY in the wrong, even though he himself admitted there was no evidence to support either side of the story. Can you say BIASED FOR BLACKS?
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T20:58:00.1838270-05:00
O_O Can we just come to a compromise and agree that some media is biased for blacks, some is against, and although rarely, some media is neutral?
Dilara says2015-04-28T21:06:28.7503470-05:00
Communist dog. I did not say that. I believe that ones strength is dependent on a number of things none of witch are c. I'm also aware that black people can be very smart.
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T21:10:13.9564252-05:00
Sorry Dilara, I mixed your statements with Heil. But... I CAN SAY THAT HEIL IS RACIST!.... And that helps my case.... Not one tiny bit...
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T21:16:12.4006296-05:00
We can come to a compromise and agree that most media is biased for blacks, lol
Dilara says2015-04-28T21:37:30.5250156-05:00
That's ok :)
CommunistDog says2015-04-28T21:39:07.7298618-05:00
Well then... Let's have another debate... I think that green is a cool color :3
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T22:10:24.5698382-05:00
I like green because it's more Earthly, but I like black more ;)
Dilara says2015-04-29T06:57:37.4345102-05:00
I like light green
CommunistDog says2015-04-29T07:09:24.6071764-05:00
Neon green for the win >:D
Bookwormav says2015-04-29T07:59:42.4531169-05:00
Light blue anyone?
Dilara says2015-04-29T18:15:19.8122838-05:00
Light pink, light periwinkle, dusty rose, sky blue, cornflower blue, bright red. Light blue if very relaxing. I went to the flower store today and saw some light periwinkle flowers.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T19:00:03.4113445-05:00
My grandma is in love with light periwinkle flowers lol
Bookwormav says2015-04-29T20:14:17.2346068-05:00
Blue is relaxing. It just seems to calm me down.
Dilara says2015-04-29T21:04:57.2994583-05:00
There was a basket of periwinkle, yellow and pink flowers that looked so pretty. Pink and yellow are good for flowers
Davdanther says2015-05-02T12:18:37.1604690-05:00
Sometimes. In America, especially... Too much racism.
Trustmeinlying says2015-05-11T09:00:52.5643950-05:00
Almost all White on black crimes have been aired. You hardly see a black on white crime aired.
BIGC says2015-05-12T21:52:28.3098629-05:00
@briantheliberal you can say that sits like this and fox news do head for the cops defense, but look at CNN, HLN, MSN, and almost all the large new sources rush to the attack of the cops.
Haroush says2015-06-08T19:47:58.9818376-05:00
Just watch the movie white men can't jump. It shows white men being denigrated as being worth less than black men. The only difference today is that same denigration is 10 times as bad as it was before. The worst part is it doesn't even have to be direct insults, it can be as simple as treating as less than them because they are black and you are white.
REDtrojan says2015-09-04T23:17:21.9672971Z
Haroush OMG lol!! I know you not using White Man Can't Jump to defend your case lol... Boo Hoo I'm a white guy and i'm upset that black people are getting all this attention, and we're made to look bad.. 1st of all you try walking by a car that's not yours just to have the owner beep it after it's already been locked long before you were even there, only to see you get into your own car. Please don't act like white people got it so hard, and you may have some actual troubles in your life, but the difference between what we call, "we got it hard", and what white people call, "we got it hard".. IS WAY DIFFERENT.
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T02:27:49.4876405Z
@REDTrojan - So when the media plasters Trayvon's face all over everything for months and holds anniversaries of his death, but doesn't do a single thing about any white guy killed by cops or beaten by black cops or anything, you think that's called "black people have it hard"? Seems like everyone is catering to blacks and ignoring any problem any whites have.
REDtrojan says2015-09-05T03:14:06.7892727Z
Ok Mister_Man i hear you, but then can you name a white man that was beaten or killed by a black officer. And also there was a media incident about s homeless guy that was beaten by white officers as well.. You didnt know that did you? It happend a very while ago i think 4-5 months ago google it. Search: " homless beaten by cops". And media did cover it..But then the thing is its just not common as much
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T03:46:50.7792332Z
Black cop illegally chokes a white guy (https://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=kpEmHI-Ndmc), innocent white guy shot and killed by black cop, labeled as "non-white" by media... White man beaten horribly by black cop (http://www.Al.Com/news/huntsville/index.Ssf/2015/07/video_of_mans_beating_highligh.Html), two obviously racist black cops beat white guy up and brag about it (http://censorbugbear-reports.Blogspot.Ca/2011/10/black-racist-traffic-cops-assault-boer.Html). The list goes on. Practically zero media coverage for all of those, and I'm still hearing about Mike Brown. And those are only police-related incidents. Black-on-white crime in general is tenfold that of white-on-black, yet we still hear about one racist white guy for months at a time because he said some bad words.
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T03:56:49.2458695Z
Here's the black cop shooting an unarmed white guy - http://mrconservative.com/2014/08/48057-black-officer-shoots-white-man-no-media-outrage/
REDtrojan says2015-09-05T04:01:33.8934735Z
In your first video at :50 .. You can see a white officer beating the guy befor the camera pans away and your other sites it says that the video is gone or the blog taken down, i think u posted them wrong or something. But dude im not saying it doesnt happen even though you hardly was able to prove it here i still agree it probably does lol. I am saying it is very rare, while for blacks it as common as brushing your teeth.
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T04:27:29.6988672Z
You can clearly see a black cop beating the guy. No media outrage. Not too sure why you can't view the other links, but either way, they're stories of black cops beating or killing white guys, and there's nothing on the media about it. Here, a site that favours your side of the argument says 28% of deaths caused by police were black, 50% white, and 17% Latino - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/10/the-counted-500-people-killed-by-police-2015 - judging by population alone, considering whites make up 62% of the population, and blacks 13%, at nothing but face value, blacks are killed at a higher rate than whites. However looking at crime statistics, for this number to actually make sense, blacks would need to commit violent crimes (something that warrants police to reasonably use force) more than whites. And they do. For the past 40 or so years, blacks have committed more than half of all murders (https://www.Fbi.Gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.S/2013/crime-in-the-u.S.-2013/tables/table-43). There are also loads of other factors on top of that. Nearly every video we see of a black guy being killed by police, he is resisting arrest or acting in a way that warrants cops to be extremely cautious. I don't see any problem with cops reacting appropriately to a threat, black, white, green, whatever. Blacks also kill whites more than twice as much as whites kill blacks (https://www.Fbi.Gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.S/2013/crime-in-the-u.S.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.Xls) and the media is still going on about the "race war" being against blacks? You don't see a media bias for blacks there?
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T04:29:27.9788254Z
And just to be clear, I'm not trying to be racist or anything. I'm simply pointing out facts and connecting the dots. I agree that for the amount of total crime committed, blacks are killed at a slightly higher rate than whites. However many, many other factors should be taken into consideration. Is the offender known to be armed? Is he resisting arrest? Is he in known gangs? Has he offended in the past? Etc.
REDtrojan says2015-09-05T04:30:41.9182935Z
http://mrconservative.com/2014/08/48057-black-officer-shoots-white-man-no-media-outrage/ Found on google. I'll say this. The timing isn't good and its sad because its over shadowed by what is already happening more frequently. But i believe all lives matter and that this country is suffering from what makes America the strongest country in the world, and that is our mixed culture and our diffrences. Regardless of who gets killed by officers most. At the end of the day all Cops shouldn't brutalize anyone without cause. This my last post on this subject
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T04:31:01.5950255Z
And remember this debate is if the media is bias for blacks, not if the cops are biased against them. It's pretty obvious that the media is biased for blacks, reporting on all (whatever)-on-black crime as "hate crimes," and not even reporting on (whatever)-on-white crime.
Mister_Man says2015-09-05T04:32:01.4214090Z
Well then I agree with your last post, and even though there's lots to touch on regarding police brutality, I'll leave it lol.
Skeye says2016-01-13T07:55:04.2675262Z
I know I might be responding a year in the future to mister_man but Police are suppose to be trained to handle situations in a non lethal way, Cops are suppose to shoot as a last result not a first response. Cops are no longer the courages people we've come to know. They are scared of a black man charging at them so they have to kill him dead because they felt threatened even if the black man was unarmed. Understand this, who in the world thinks that it is comprehensive to shoot someone who was unable to shoot back?
Dilara says2016-01-13T15:24:02.9886531Z
Skeye. Not all cops are "scared of black men". There are good cops who are willing to get injured in order to not harm someone who is trying to harm them. Of course most cops are, as they should be, scared of someone charging them. Michael Brown was over 6 foot 300 pounds. He had assaulted officer Wilson and tried to take his gun. Shooting Brown was the only way Wilson could stop Brown from reaching him. If Brown did reach Wilson, he likely would have killed him. What was Wilson supposed to do? Let Brown assault him and possibly kill him? An unarmed person can be dangerous if they are charging. Maybe you should get charged by someone who had moments ago tried to take your weapon, and than you can tell us that Browns death wasn't justified.
dana997 says2017-01-15T02:26:30.8606623Z
I think the media, in many cases, can be very bias towards blacks. I've noticed a trend with news outlets like CNN, FOX ETC...Whenever there is a new case of police brutality. Majority of the time they tend to disregard the fact that police brutality itself is wrong. They also tend to make the police seem heroic & antagonize the victims of color. Perhaps one of the most revealing things is the fact that most of the pictures they display of the victims are the worst pictures on the victims' social medias. For example, usually they would display picture of the victims smoking weed in hopes of giving viewers the impression that the victim was "no good anyways."
YOUNGandEDUCATED says2017-08-17T23:57:20.4270647Z
It can be the news but sometimes it is us that can be biased. We don't put ourselves in the cops shoes. In some cases like Philando castile's the officer should be charged, it is murder. The cop has split seconds to make a decision which could be his life or someone else's.
MyacronymissimplyCEE says2019-12-21T21:52:18.3874993Z
It WAS. . . But it's moved on. Both Booker and Counselor Harris, Acted like unintelligible idiots. The media has no time to waste. Meyer Pete, Proves pink is the new black. He's a hate-faced, Nasty little $h! T, But the media and Hollywood give 'eem Such Cuddles! Black, Is now passe`. RamaLana Dingdong, Isn't "woke" enough, Anymore. As for the Oscars, They had their Black Year; now, The HATE is more universal, An anti-America Everything Must Go. . . And, Sports? They're ALL entitled @$$hole$, The jocks, And the sports they play, Repetitive, Boring (with football trending toward gay as well, It's a kid's game where you can't hurt anyone). So, For purposes of headlines and taglines and the slant of a story in larger Woke Folk-style, That's all for show. The Blacks don't matter, Now, And much less their daily lives. After all, No wall's going up against them, And gays are more oothchy-koo to tout. If I was them, I'd not one single one go to the polls, Next Nov.

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