• Yes

  • No

56% 9 votes
44% 7 votes
  • I'd say that the spread of any religion is a problem, particularly with a religion that has extremist sects such as Islam.

    Posted by: Seido
  • As a religiously neutral person (atheist) I consider any increase in religion as bad, no matter which one. Religion as a whole is something I look down upon, as it is essentially picking sides. Atheism is superior (without trying to sound like a neckbeard fedora euphoria person) because it is THE definition of neutral, which is why I think it should serve as the stepping stone in society.

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Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:23:37.4270278-05:00
It is estimated that between 157,000,000 and 314,000,000 Muslims are extremist. That is upto one-third of all Islamic adherents
Seido says2014-07-30T21:24:33.6117106-05:00
Source for that?
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:24:43.9703098-05:00
How many christians are extremists? And what are your sources for that claim?
Seido says2014-07-30T21:26:00.3025777-05:00
Aw, I liked your old profile pic :(
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:29:15.0879235-05:00
Until my gf get's back from her vacation, I'm goin' with a war ready pick. May switch it to the Prussian flag.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:30:12.8558344-05:00
I just got a PM from this guy. He said I'm anti Christian and anti-western, and unable to comprehend European problems. Lol, wtf!?
Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:30:21.3266546-05:00
Gallup. I don't know! Instead of trying to interrogate me, why don't you search for answers!
Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:30:33.9470546-05:00
Where do you all come from?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:30:48.2373148-05:00
I've proven in the past that the spread of religion=/=ideology
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:31:17.6426546-05:00
You made the claim, und this is a debate website. Claims need proof.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:32:23.7579517-05:00
I come from Detroit metro. A hot bed of Mexicans, Africans, Asians, and North America's largest Arab population.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:33:34.6886546-05:00
Your poll is on the very front page of the website. Soon, you may be seeing the Islam hate activists and hateful christians.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:36:31.1163085-05:00
I live close to a place called Dearborn. There are over 40,000 arab's living there. Most of them Muslim and Yemeni. It is the largest Muslim community in North America. Detroit Metro alone has over 403,000 Arab Americans, which is also the largest in North America. The US has a huge influx of Arab's. It has since the 90's. To say, like you did in our personal message, that I can't comprehend Muslim immigration, is baseless.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:38:36.1839136-05:00
Columbus, Ohio has also seen a sizable amount of Turkish and general Muslim immigrants as of late. We're thriving.
Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:46:56.6103370-05:00
I say that you cannot comprehend because they are in small numbers relative to the American populace; you do not experience the same social divisions that are witnessed in Europe which are caused by the spread of Islam
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:48:54.3614014-05:00
Give. Us. Your. Source.
Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:49:42.5819287-05:00
You do not have Islamic Courts that permit the domestic abuse of women by the husbands, that are set up in a free, democratic country. Yet, in the same country, if a non-muslim committed the same act of domestic abuse, he would be subject to the laws of the State - that means he would have committed a crime in the eyes of the law
Saoirist says2014-07-30T21:50:24.8679025-05:00
Gallup Polling Agency is my source. I already stated it!!!
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:51:45.1761877-05:00
I'm not acknowledging any of your claims until you give me a source for your earlier claim.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:52:03.9362470-05:00
"I say that you cannot comprehend because they are in small numbers relative to the American populace" Irrelevant. I am still living among ridiculously large Muslim community. Larger than most in Europe. 403,000 arabs all in one metropolitan area, and a small one at that.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:53:09.5355085-05:00
I know. Tell me exactly where it is.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T21:53:24.6418641-05:00
Gallup is a big website.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:53:41.8800851-05:00
"You do not have Islamic Courts that permit the domestic abuse of women by the husbands, that are set up in a free, democratic country" There are 5 Islamic Courts operating in Michigan. A huge organization is the NOI, or a radical domestic terrorist group, who promote a black separatist denomination of Islam. There are 403,000 arabs in my community, but over 1,000,000 Muslims.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:54:59.1478757-05:00
"et, in the same country, if a non-muslim committed the same act of domestic abuse, he would be subject to the laws of the State" Islamic court rulings are voluntary. Muslims willingly take the punishments. A method being implemented in Tunisia and Turkey, rather than state muslim laws, let people follow rulings voluntary. As is there right.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T21:56:17.2851190-05:00
I'm also interested in the link. Even if you're correct, which you most certainly aren't, why can't non-extremist Islam spread?
Saoirist says2014-07-30T22:21:13.1755626-05:00
There are over 1.5 millions Muslims in the Metropolitan Area that I live in: London, UK
Saoirist says2014-07-30T22:42:30.5512664-05:00
Most Christians are secular for one; they are lapsed in pratices, as am I. The fact is that, unlike Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and all other religions, Islam encompasses all parts of life - it is the complete religion. Now I am not a hater of Islam - I find it one of greatest pieces of art ever made, it is pure genius. But the fact that Islam encompasses all aspects of life includes Freedom. Many popular preachers of Islam admit that it is incompatible with Western Democracy. The fact that Europe comprises of Western Democracies, Islam therefore poses a hypothetical threat to Democracy as it stands. Let us get this clear: I AM NOT ANTI-ISLAM, I GO TO THE MOSQUE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ISLAM IN ITS ENTIRETY
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T22:47:35.1307072-05:00
Shinto also encompases all aspects of life. Judaism, and Christianity are supposed to as well. The big three religions are really the same damn thing.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:48:31.6349938-05:00
"Most Christians are secular for one" Most christians are also not in poverty
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:49:07.1880775-05:00
" Islam encompasses all parts of life" And christianity doesn't? I'll inform you that all rituals of life are in the bible
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:49:46.5788350-05:00
"Now I am not a hater of Islam" You clearly expressed hatred in out conversation.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-30T22:50:17.0150203-05:00
Some Americans practicing islam are... Most are also secular. I am dating a Sunni muslim girl. Traditionally, neither of our cultures allow pre-marital relationships.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:50:28.2996958-05:00
:Many popular preachers of Islam admit that it is incompatible with Western Democracy" Name one. I can think of several nations. Turkey, Azerbaijan, Tunisia, Bosnia, and Albania
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:51:05.5529734-05:00
"The fact that Europe comprises of Western Democracies" Including Albania and Bosnia
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:51:47.0651056-05:00
"Islam therefore poses a hypothetical threat to Democracy as it stands" Hypothetical is all that it will ever be
ChosenWolff says2014-07-30T22:52:29.0403592-05:00
" I AM NOT ANTI-ISLAM, I GO TO THE MOSQUE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ISLAM IN ITS ENTIRETY" With all thee slander, misinterpretations, and Islam bashing you've spewed, I beg to differ.
Saoirist says2014-07-30T23:15:32.6933674-05:00
Muslim preachers such as Abu Hamza, Anjem Choudary, Abu Qatada just to name a few. These men indoctrinated the young attending their sermons. I am not slandering, I am merely pointing out aspects which are incompatible with European freedom. I am asking the questions that will effect my life, the lives of my children and the future of Europe. Think of the effect it will have on US-European relations if the majority of Europe is Muslim. The West has already identified the problems with Christianity being involved in State Affairs, that is why THE WEST IS SECULAR. Albania and Bosnia are also secular States due to their proximity to Europe. My words are not misinterpretations of anything whatsoever. I am making an argument as to why Islam is a threat. Why would i go to a Muslim place of worship if i was anti-Islam? You can beg to differ all you like. TUNISIA IS NOT IN EUROPE!! IT IS PART OF THE MAGHREB REGION OF NORTH AFRICA. EVERYTHING STARTS OFF AS A HYPOTHETICAL THREAT. HITLER WASN'T MUCH OF A THREAT AT THE BEGINNING. By 2050, if demographic trends remain similar, many countries in Europe will be Muslim-majority and will democratically be able to impose Sharia Law on the State...The facts don't lie!! Does Christianity have its own branch of Economics as Islam does? Does Christianity make you bare witness to it 5 times a day? (AS IN THE 5 PILLARS OF ISLAM) You may think what you want, but Europe is inevitably being divided along religious lines. Look at the rise of FN, UKIP and other Nationalist political parties that oppose immigration due to the vastly changing demographics of Europe.
Saoirist says2014-07-30T23:24:05.7773785-05:00
This is a question about Europe, not North America. I am here to make people think because the stance I am taking is under-represented. Europe didn't want Christianity, it opted for Secularism and has prospered under Secularism. It is a stance that is becoming more acknowledged as the idea of an Islamic Europe comes closer to being reality. You only think about the freedom of Islam to spread, but if Western tolerance goes along with Western Democracy, will those who do not adhere to Islam be safe?
Saoirist says2014-07-30T23:29:12.0209785-05:00
Why is a democratic Iraq fighting against Islamic rule in the form of ISIS? The Middle East is fighting for a more Secular Government in places that had uprisings. The youth in the Middle East are waking up to the realisation that secular leadership is the best leadership because it allows those who wish to practice religion, practice, and those who do not, not practice.

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