Is this a lie? (Read description)

Posted by: Texas14

Is Obama lying when he says that if you don't support his deal, you support war with Iran?

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Christopher_Carpenter says2015-08-14T08:22:21.5142026Z
I wouldn't so much say that it's him lying and more so just committing a rather petty logical fallacy. Don't support the deal? Then you must be a warmonger. It's the strawman fallacy, one we see all too often in news media. It stifles perfectly necessary debate, which are important for highlighting concerns and refining ideas, as it's a silence tactic. Making those who oppose you seem so bad that no one will want to listen to them. I say the President may not be lying because logical fallacies aren't inherently intentional, he could genuinely believe it, we just don't know. But seeing as he is politician, and as such a learned man, I would imagine that he's fully aware of the fallacy, as unfortunate as that may be.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-14T14:10:26.4149871Z
The Iranians refuse to give up their nuclear program. It's a ten-year hold on their nuke plot or the United States goes to war against Iran (which may very well happen anyway after the agreement expires). Therefore, this assessment is probably accurate.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-14T14:11:12.7472841Z
The question is, then, whether or not we want to go to war against Iran now or in 10 years.
Oreo222 says2015-08-14T19:34:50.0961090Z
To those who say that there's another option; what option? What option do you have in mind other than war and the current Deal?
Death23 says2015-08-14T19:58:57.5652001Z
If OP doesn't show me - exactly - what Obama said then I'm not going to bother making any inquiry in to the matter.
Texas14 says2015-08-14T20:11:09.9540308Z
@Oreo, a better option is changing the deal so that we get our prisoners back, we don't release sanctions, and that there's no 24 day waiting period before inspections.
Oreo222 says2015-08-14T20:56:13.2036900Z
@Texas14 If we asked for the prisoners, they would've seen the value they had and could've asked for more than just sanction relief.
Texas14 says2015-08-14T20:57:32.3585974Z
And we could give them sanction relief, but make it gradual over a several year period rather than immedtietly.
komododragon8 says2015-08-14T21:46:16.6285426Z
Forthelulz: what on earth is the Exterminatus action?
Forthelulz says2015-08-15T02:46:31.5535640Z
@Komododragon8 If we can't have it (their nukes) no-one can. These guys cover it in depth. (NSFW) (SFW)
PericIes says2015-08-15T08:24:46.5555764Z
I don't think he's lying. I think he genuinely believes it. Whether he's right or wrong is another matter entirely.

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