Is this site mostly liberal?

Posted by: stargate

By that I mean is most of the active users liberal.

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TBR says2015-09-13T17:11:23.2086044Z
No... I think there is a good split, with conservatives edging out liberals just slightly.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T17:28:20.6159262Z
In the forums, it's slightly more conservative. But in the polls, there's a slight edge on liberalism.
TBR says2015-09-13T17:53:51.9061421Z
The forums, I agree are conservative (still a healthy split), polls are less dramatic a split, but very close to even, slight balance for conservative.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T17:56:47.8832227Z
What're you talking about? Right-wingers domin8 debates and polls
Varrack says2015-09-13T18:06:11.4756829Z
I can't help but think how incredibly vague that word is in this context.
TBR says2015-09-13T18:11:30.2325262Z
It is vagueish barrack, but say you and I. They are an easy 1:1 count. Brian the liberal vs harr(whateverhisfaceis) 2:2. The harder ones are say.... PetersSmith. Generaly consertative, but some liberal positions. Anyway, I think it is a good healthy mix
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:24:03.5769553Z
@TBR Well PetersSmith is a total female supremacist, i'm not sure if that's a conservative or liberal position...
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:24:03.9283715Z
@TBR Well PetersSmith is a total female supremacist, i'm not sure if that's a conservative or liberal position...
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:27:02.3229011Z
Economically, she's a total socialist leftist who supports downsizing the economy in favor of "equality."
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:27:10.0411435Z
@triangle Any kind of supremacism is right-wing...
TBR says2015-09-13T18:28:02.8200889Z
Right, she says that, but her other positions seem more conservative.Uter may be a tough one to classify too.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:28:17.9989862Z
@MechVarg Any kind of economic downfall is left-wing (:
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:28:31.1342704Z
@TBR Isn't Uther far-left?
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:28:39.4626363Z
@triangle She's a fascist remember?
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:29:59.9456397Z
Economically, doesn't fascism promote corporatism?
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:30:12.8625225Z
She's a hardcore leftist economically.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:30:21.0368407Z
@triangle Kek, that's funny. Anyway, she is authoritarian right. She still supports hierarchal economy, but at the command of the government.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:32:35.5098369Z
Maybe not far-right, but she's for sure authoritarian.
Wylted says2015-09-13T18:33:10.8284633Z
I don't know the answer to this anymore. It seemed to be that way a year ago, but now it seems more balanced out
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:33:28.6905778Z
It's ironic how she's seemed to be patriotic of the USA, and talk about how free the USA is compared to other nations. Yet she's literally against every policy politically of the USA.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:34:54.9174631Z
@triangle She just likes to feel different like SOME people (not yourself)
Wylted says2015-09-13T18:39:59.4262825Z
@triangle Any kind of supremacism is right-wing..." Not true, black supremacists tend to vote DemocrAt and white supremacists tend to vote conservative, but sometimes white supremacists are liberal, such as Adolph Hitler, and sometimes black supremacists are Conservative.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:43:22.1800695Z
@Wylted Claiming the Democratic Party is left-wing is hella ignorant. Why am I talking to you? You're a troll.
TBR says2015-09-13T18:46:10.7866630Z
I would like to point out that the binary users, those that would self-describe, are dull for this thought experiment. The wildcards are more interesting.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:48:04.6529662Z
@TBR I'mma wildcard :D
TBR says2015-09-13T18:50:11.2934047Z
An anarchist... Well, you tell us.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:53:48.1047695Z
@TBR Don't lump me with the other anarchists. I would say this site is definitely right-wing.
Wylted says2015-09-13T18:54:18.0401864Z
Democrats are left wing. The terms democrat, left wing and liberal have been conflated to mean the same thing. If you don't like it, talk to Webster and get him to change the common usage of the words and his dictionary.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:54:19.3929533Z
@MechVarg Are you just a socialist, or are you a communist?
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:54:56.0888303Z
@triangle the two are not mutually exclusive
Wylted says2015-09-13T18:55:12.9369383Z
There are no wild cards people are either conservative or liberal
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:56:13.5028001Z
@Wylted That's stupid and you're stupid.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:56:58.8470492Z
@MechVarg But communists are usually seen as more radical socialists. I can classify as a Capitalist, even though I support very minor socialism here and there like with public schools or government agencies.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:58:22.3501021Z
@triangle Again, with the equating social democracy with socialism
Wylted says2015-09-13T18:58:38.5618564Z
"MechVarg saysSeptember 13 2015 02:56 PM Report Post @Wylted That's stupid and you're stupid." That's not really an intelligent response. What I stated is actually a fact, and not even debatable. The terms have been conflated, and you're now using them improperly.
TBR says2015-09-13T18:59:00.6047977Z
Wylted - that we can classify (even roughly) is fine. I'm just saying some are harder calls than others. I'm an easy one. I doubt anyone would mistake me for a conservative.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T18:59:15.5184933Z
@MechVarg so you believe in social democracy? Didn't you have a communist symbol once though as your picture?
MechVarg says2015-09-13T18:59:59.7291767Z
@Wylted Ask anyone outside the United States what it means to be left-wing. The Democratic Party certainly does not match the criteria. I'm sorry, but you are.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:00:40.3830373Z
@triangle I'm not a social democrat, social democracy is regulated capitalism, not socialism.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:01:23.0859568Z
@Wylted Did you go there? You truly are pathetic.
Wylted says2015-09-13T19:03:23.2022838Z
Social democrats are socialist. This is using the no true Scotsman fallacy.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:04:43.7059454Z
@Wylted No, they do not meet the criteria. Honestly, research before you speak. Also, we're not allowed to think?
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:07:02.5692435Z
There was a time when they were socialists... A century ago
stargate says2015-09-13T19:07:46.7971064Z
For once I am going to have a neutral stance on an augment. That beong this one.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:08:27.4356274Z
Being
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:16:23.5416369Z
Based on my stances on issues, what do you guys think I am?
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:17:03.3832707Z
@Tajshar stoopid ;P
Varrack says2015-09-13T19:17:49.4844180Z
Wylted, come on. Ad homs are just childish.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:18:26.8260660Z
@MechVarg lol
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:18:30.1176027Z
@Varrack Thank you. This guy is a moron.
Varrack says2015-09-13T19:19:27.4861308Z
@TBR - yeah I suppose so. I don't think we should attach labels to everyone here though. It's an even mix in my view.
The_American_Sniper says2015-09-13T19:24:30.1182904Z
Anarchism is a pretty bad idea. Atleast with Hitler you might have a chance to live a decent live as long as you were a Aryan.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:25:26.5721664Z
@sniper I'm not even bothering with you
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:25:40.2264880Z
@Varrack That's true. I have some conservative views, and some progressive views. So we can't really label. I just identify with progressives more.
The_American_Sniper says2015-09-13T19:26:24.0324112Z
@Mechvarg Ok? I wasn't bothering you either.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:28:11.8081600Z
Left wing, democrat
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T19:29:00.3952204Z
@The_American_Sniper People who weren't racially aryan were actually considered honorary aryans in Nazi Germany. Japanese people could be considered honorary aryans.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:29:16.3457737Z
But you are not completely left wing.
Varrack says2015-09-13T19:41:27.5068606Z
I have a lot of progressive views. I want to ban abortion, abolish the MW, the EC, AA in schools/employment, the prog tax, make our immigration laws looser, cut spending on welfare, medicare, SS, and many others things. Those all call for change.
TBR says2015-09-13T19:42:20.0873248Z
Tajshar2k - in my mental count, I put you on the liberal side, but not a clear-cut choice. I think we have been in a couple discussions where you were n the other side from me.
TBR says2015-09-13T19:42:54.4550060Z
Tajshar2k - in my mental count, I put you on the liberal side, but not a clear-cut choice. I think we have been in a couple discussions where you were n the other side from me.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:43:09.2909864Z
I think the progressive ideology is about advancing, not changing things back to the way they were. So conservatives want change, but back to what it was before.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:45:17.3078688Z
Like me
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:45:50.0375080Z
@TBR Yes. I'm pro gun rights, pro interventionist, pro DP, and some other stuff. We usually agree on most things however.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:47:49.8953812Z
@TBR Just a question, are you Pro capitalism?
stargate says2015-09-13T19:48:00.7220588Z
But the thing is we need both parties. The keep both parties in check.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:48:48.5840860Z
Witch is why I never agree when people say we need a one party system.
TBR says2015-09-13T19:55:22.2058112Z
Sure I am pro-capitalism. That's is not an enforcement for dropping regulation and worker rights till we are reliving The Jungle.
TBR says2015-09-13T19:56:09.7393159Z
Endorsement...
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T19:56:36.0968732Z
@stargate A two party system is horrible, we need more political parties so it's not a monopoly between two.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:57:16.3517429Z
@TBR We never said to make everything an city, and make workers have no rights. I think workers should be treated well.
TBR says2015-09-13T19:57:39.2994900Z
Still looking for where I back taking all your guns
MechVarg says2015-09-13T19:58:01.0304293Z
@stargate That is incompatible with capitalism
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T19:58:14.0361844Z
I don't support a one-party system, but it does have it's advantages. I like how people under a one-party system get things done and make compromises, rather than arguing.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:58:35.4442499Z
@triangle.128k I am fine with that, but it will not change I am it is like only 1% of the whole population that votes independent.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T19:59:23.8635748Z
@TBR I gave up on that...
stargate says2015-09-13T20:00:40.3055348Z
Look at the postcivil war in the south and when the troops left to allow them to rule themselves on a state level. Most southern states back then where democrat no republican.
stargate says2015-09-13T20:02:17.6052296Z
@MechVarg I mean balance it out, but if it is a choose I choose the economic root rather then the workers.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T20:02:47.8388048Z
@stargate but a two party system would be worse than a single party. And more and more people are starting to vote independent.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T20:04:19.2704539Z
Multi party > single party > two parties
Varrack says2015-09-13T20:04:29.3325184Z
@taj - I suppose so. We should return to the era of 1776 in my opinion.
stargate says2015-09-13T20:05:28.9561006Z
No I do not want a one party system, plus we will never be able to make it work.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T20:06:37.2114860Z
@Varrack, So we all should buy muskets, and use carriages are transportation?
Varrack says2015-09-13T20:13:28.2820260Z
@taj - Yes! Wouldn't that be awesome?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T20:15:37.5313400Z
@Varrack No.
58539672 says2015-09-13T20:16:10.1514108Z
@triangle.128k "Multi party > single party > two parties" Im not so sure about that hierarchy. Each system has its advantages and weaknesses. For instance, single party systems are very effective at getting things done, but they often only favor the majority (like China). While multiparty systems can be more inclusive of all the citizens, but given that such systems require alliances to form whole governments in a lot of situations, it is easy for a minority group to control the majority (like the last UK election). Plus these alliances often boil down to the coalition in control of the government and the opposition. So one could say they turn into two party systems anyway. And the reason they turn into two party systems is because the leading virtue of the system is its stability. It does not change much and is very easy to both understand and participate in.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T20:20:16.5756948Z
Fascists are woefully underepresented :( #FascistLivesMatter
Varrack says2015-09-13T20:20:20.1637868Z
@taj - clearly you have no taste in culture. An era of 1776 would be amazing. It'd be cool to go back in time and live like that for a day or two.
TBR says2015-09-13T20:21:01.7232524Z
Varrack - driving my wife's SAAB around today. Swear it is more turbocharged fun than a Porsche. I will nit be joining you in 1776 muskets and carrragrs
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T20:21:09.4393293Z
@Varrack A day or two would be awesome. But I miss my Ar-15.
MechVarg says2015-09-13T20:21:17.0989784Z
@Varrack Hahaha, no.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T20:21:39.5074212Z
@Varrack It would be great, just so as long as you're not black that is.
58539672 says2015-09-13T20:22:46.0431272Z
^ Or anyone who isn't a white male land owner
TBR says2015-09-13T20:24:28.2413476Z
Or Chinese, or Indian, or H@11 just a women
TBR says2015-09-13T20:25:44.5429040Z
Yes... To be a male white christian landowner is 1776. The Republican wet dream
Varrack says2015-09-13T20:26:20.2869219Z
I'm a Christian white male. Of course I'll be fine. It's 1776 after all ;)
UtherPenguin says2015-09-13T20:28:57.4262496Z
@Varrack OHMYGODHOWDAREYOUBEAWHITECHRISTIANMALECHECKYOUR PRIVILEGIE !!!!!!!!!''
TBR says2015-09-13T20:35:30.1124464Z
Black Muslim penguins were not welcomed in 1776 merica.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T20:45:51.4522496Z
Neither were asian americans, so I guess i'm out.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T20:47:15.7880120Z
Non-Christians were welcomed there actually, that's why Europeans back then came to america. They wanted to escape religious persecution which wasn't in america.
Wylted says2015-09-13T20:55:19.0896680Z
Varack, I used as Homs in response to her, and mine were softer and merely to prove a point.
Wylted says2015-09-13T20:59:06.7107271Z
1776 type government if it persisted until today would actually show more freedom towards minority persons than the status quo, and more technological development.
TBR says2015-09-13T21:03:25.9375888Z
Triangle.128k - look again at the demographics. They were Christians, Christians who wanted religious freedoms, but Christians none the less
TBR says2015-09-13T21:06:35.4164034Z
Just found a decent number. Out of the divirisity of religions, the largest non Christian group were Jews... Less than 2000.
TBR says2015-09-13T21:20:48.9914750Z
Wylted - lets say that is true, and you could prove it. It's still a shot in the side for "conservatives".
TBR says2015-09-13T21:23:26.3808668Z
Wylted - lets say that is true, and you could prove it. It's still a shot in the side for "conservatives".
Renegader says2015-09-13T22:31:53.4192109Z
I prefer people who's ideology is harder to pin down because at least they show individual thinking and reject partisan loyalties.
Renegader says2015-09-13T22:34:02.8410912Z
I would not consider myself conservative by any means and agree with most democratic ideals. I do have some qualms with modern leftism, mainly regarding civil liberties and free speech.
Wylted says2015-09-13T22:35:17.5309193Z
@TBR, that's true. People tend to look at the founders and think they agree with them politically anyway, when their philosophies were radically different, and they were also quite varied. Alexander Hamilton is nothing like Thomas Jefferson. I don't understand why the founders had less access to information, but were more sensible in how they approached politics than any current political party (including libertarians).
MechVarg says2015-09-14T00:20:04.7864030Z
@Wylted 1. Ad hom* 2. He* 3. Softer? You used my age against me, which is completely ridiculous.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:35:06.0854385Z
This is a bad question. Dont ask what people think this site is ... Ask them if they are liberal or conservative.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:35:28.1444041Z
This is a bad question. Dont ask what people think this site is ... Ask them if they are liberal or conservative.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:36:50.0465041Z
And if you want to know based on activity ... Ask the question 2 or 3 times with different poll closing times. Compare the deltas based on time they were left open.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:37:12.1210701Z
And if you want to know based on activity ... Ask the question 2 or 3 times with different poll closing times. Compare the deltas based on time they were left open.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:38:50.8872025Z
"I don't understand why the founders had less access to information, but were more sensible in how they approached politics than any current political party (including libertarians)." Says something about what we call "educated" nowadays then doesnt it?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-14T17:39:12.9305677Z
"I don't understand why the founders had less access to information, but were more sensible in how they approached politics than any current political party (including libertarians)." Says something about what we call "educated" nowadays then doesnt it?
stargate says2015-09-14T17:58:28.9670089Z
True
Sarra says2015-09-19T04:18:28.7388844Z
What TBR said + there are a whole lot of unaffiliated or apathetic (with regards to politics) people on this site too. It feels like a true balanced representation of our populace.

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