Islam, Catholic and Christianity are violent religions

Posted by: FantumHeist

Through history they have done many bad thing but they have also done many good things but does the bad out weigh the good?

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Only the radicals

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Yes they are violent

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No they are not violent

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UtherPenguin says2015-08-20T17:42:21.2764387Z
Catholicism is Christianity.
dmussi12 says2015-08-20T18:34:23.9341877Z
@Freedom Couldn't I excuse any ideology with that rationale? "White supremacism doesn't hate minorities, people hate minorities."
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-20T18:52:21.4954951Z
Yes. Yes you can. But you wouldn't be dismissing it or excusing it in any way. You're just making it known that that thing is inherent to all humans and not just the ones you're trying to alienate. Call it what it is. "People hate minorities." Has there ever been a truer statement?
dmussi12 says2015-08-20T19:11:20.2387768Z
But a supremacist ideology organizes that hatred, condones it, and openly expresses it. It can and has been targeted - it's all but dead today. Yes, racism is real and in many cases is subconscious, but lynchings don't happen anymore. De jure segregation is gone. It's wrong to compare religion and white supremacism, because their structures are entirely different, but you can't say that religion isn't violent BECAUSE people are violent (we know people are); you have to look at the ideology itself and see what it encourages and inspires. Do people (or organizations) commit violent acts in its name? Does is describe and praise violent acts of its historical figures? Does it perpetuate culture clashes by condemning 'other' groups, or seeking to change or convert them?
dmussi12 says2015-08-20T19:14:12.3562980Z
We can argue over what the ideology itself says and represents, but saying "people are violent" skips the question entirely.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-20T20:42:22.1446303Z
"but you can't say that religion isn't violent BECAUSE people are violent (we know people are); you have to look at the ideology itself and see what it encourages and inspires." On that note I have to say again, no, its not any more violent than people just being people. Religion is a pretty broad term. So are those specific religions you mentioned. Each has denominations that pretty closely represent the same distribution of what people already believe to be right and wrong. Everyones out making a religion or denomination of an existing one to match what they want ... Not the other way around.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-20T20:44:05.4310853Z
"but saying "people are violent" skips the question entirely." Well its not my fault it was such a bad question from the start. It was obviously written to smear religion without thought as to what religion even is, people.
PericIes says2015-08-20T21:14:00.9603785Z
Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, not its own religion. Two hands are not enough for the level of facepalm that this deserves.
dmussi12 says2015-08-20T22:15:05.2508508Z
@Freedom You're right about denominations and how people interpret their religions to suit their preconceptions, and I agree with that. However, an ideology IS separable from the people that follow it. We have ideologies like pacifism which do NOT reflect "people just being people." I think you're conflating the word "people" to mean "everyone." Not everyone makes their own denomination. SOME people do, and their ideologies cause others (converts or those born into it) to act in ways they otherwise would not (eating a piece of unleavened bread for instance). So religion is not just "people," even if man-made. It's an ideology that influences behavior.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T18:45:43.2044839Z
When youre taking a group as large as ... Oh say, Christianity ... You are essentially talking about all people. Theyre that big. Big enough to make a generalization about humanity. If you want to start blaming certain abrahamic religions in particular ... Then maybe you could make a claim about violence. I think though that Christianity is just entirely too broad a spectrum to be making claims like that without labeling people who do not have the same intentions, as if you were labeling people as a whole for something.
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T18:47:26.2193321Z
Ya, but we can hold the religious script responsible for those lunatics who act with violence.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T19:02:04.6011401Z
Yeah really ... How asinine of us.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T19:03:14.3631761Z
Considering people can interpret it for good as well. You dont blame a Dr. Suess book for violence because a kid who read it when he was little grew up to be a murdering lunatic.
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T19:47:37.4443036Z
Dr. Suess wrote a kids book on violence?
The_American_Sniper says2015-08-21T20:00:04.5968633Z
FreedomBeforeEquality, I have a feeling you are an atheist, but you want to fit in with your conservative agenda, so you try to change. It isn't working
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:07:01.1253569Z
I guess it depends on how a person wants to interpret the book. He definitely makes a stance on nature and how big businessmen can ruin the world in the Lorax, he makes a stance against people trying to differentiate themselves via stars on their bellies in the Sneeches, and makes a stance against being stubborn towards trying unconventional things in Green Eggs and Ham. If someone read those and thought they could prevent the strife that those characters go through in learning those lessons by just eliminating someone ... Say, the businessman who came along allowing people to change their stars or the guy that invented the thneed ... Well maybe they could save alot of people.
tajshar2k says2015-08-21T20:08:10.8717905Z
Ya, but none of that directly advocates violence like Islam does. Islam literally says "kill him"
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:09:23.1348364Z
Is that too much of a stretch? Because sometimes I think people telling me how Jesus condones violence is a stretch considering all he does is love unconditionally and perform miracles for the poor and destitute of body and mind. I don't see where the negativity is there either ... But someone out there seems to be able to find it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:14:19.0331585Z
He definiteley writes condoning disobedience and exploring outside the norm. That could lead someone down that road too, seeing as how youre expected to be obedient towards the law and its enforcers and such.
dmussi12 says2015-08-21T20:16:51.7645264Z
Again, I'm not talking about Christian people, I'm talking about Christianity itself. Stop trying to conflate the two.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:16:57.3842433Z
He wasnt a bad guy ... I dont really want to construe him to be one anymore. And I really dont like seeing the same coming from people who bash Jesus either. You can try and discount institutions and all based on what they may have grown into ... But its foundation and its figurehead are pretty pure in nature.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:18:06.0626123Z
Conflate?! Dont conflate Christians with their Christianity? Are you kidding me right now?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-08-21T20:19:31.8778957Z
Wasnt that the whole point? Youre saying you want to call someones beliefs stupid without actually calling them stupid for believing in them? How does that work? It can't.

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