Looking at the recent political events in Washington, what political party is more intolerant?

Posted by: Haroush

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Republican Party

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Democratic Party

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Haroush says2015-10-11T15:14:53.3237423Z
Before anyone comments on this poll I will say there is no room for Americans to compromise further over to the left. We already have become a more socialistic government since the reign of Obama and we need to take our country back in order to at least get back to the middle. This means electing someone who is far-right for a short period of time and along with establishment support. If not, we will fall as a country because people want to act like little children in the candy shop. Tell me something.. When was the last time someone from the far-right created a bill which got passed? On the other hand, when was the last time Establishment Republicans passed a bill which would be considered a win conservatives in general?
Haroush says2015-10-11T15:17:15.0368675Z
Come on DOS, where is your comments at or are you too scared to defend your position?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:47:49.5779543Z
@Haroush -- Hey, I'm on a VERY tight timeline at the moment to get some other stuff done so I couldn't really get into details giving examples and what-not, but I will give you a quick list without expounding upon the list items. Reply so I get a notification if you question any of them....Give your rebuttal in your reply if you don't mind. Here's a short list of items: 1) Health Care Reform 2) Government Spending 3) Government Growth 4) Removing freedom of choice from the individual by enacting laws that outlaw even trivial things such as the ability to order a large soda (NY) 5) Illegal immigration. There is a very quick and short list for you to start with friend.
Texas14 says2015-10-11T16:54:10.9975093Z
Haroush, how can anyone deny that Republicans want the government shut down?
Haroush says2015-10-11T17:09:42.3651397Z
There you go.. I agree with those 5 points MSPD. Though someone like FakeTexas14 doesn't want to respond to these five events as there is no evidence Republicans were responsible for these major overhauls except for the fact they didn't stand up to nothing.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T17:17:34.1579154Z
@Texas14 -- OK, if we are discussing, by your own words "who WANTS a government shutdown", any honest and logical individual would state that noone WANTS a shutdown; with the exception of the ENTIRE Democrat Party which wants the shutdown so they can once again start spamming pointed fingers at the Republicans without ever actually talking on a single point, fact, item of interest, discussion, etc. that is attached to said shutdown. This tactic has been used a number of times by Dems since the 1990's to try and turn the citizens who are not properly informed and up to date on topics against Republicans and for the Dems. This is a VERY dirty tactic that was even used a few times over the past 7 years; even for the most reasonable disagreements like Republicans wanting a balanced budget and the Dems wanting more money we DON'T have. Now if you are talking about "Who is the CAUSE of government shutdown", I would ask you to present your specific shutdown(s). If we are talking over the past 7 years, it is no question that the party CREATING the shutdown would be the Dems, hands down.
gabep says2015-10-11T17:20:43.9306989Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont - It's as simple as the fact that Republicans are the ones threatening to shut down the government. It is only right for the Democrats to point fingers because government shutdowns triggered by something as trivial as the funding of Planned Parenthood only hurt us.
Haroush says2015-10-11T17:28:31.0432677Z
@Gabep, Who can essentially "press the button" to shut down the government? The EXECUTIVE BRANCH! Get it right!
gabep says2015-10-11T17:31:18.7560295Z
"In U.S. politics, a government shutdown is the name for the process the Executive Branch must enter into when the Congress creates a "funding gap" by choosing not to or failing to pass legislation funding government operations and agencies." - It's not like Obama has a choice. If the Republicans won't compromise and pass a budget, the is REQUIRED to start a shutdown.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T17:32:06.0705262Z
@gabep -- Actually this goes right inline with your comment on another topic regarding compromise between Obama and the Republicans. Some Republicans want to do away with abortions, most want to do away with later term abortions, and in the case of Planned Parenthood, they want to ensure that tax payer dollars do not in any direct or INDIRECT way, fund an organization that by its own admissions on multiple occasions has a pay to play scheme with buyers of fetal tissue. Dems want NOTHING to do with this topic and 100% oppose it. So Republicans are actually proposing a COMPROMISE, which consists of defunding Planned Parenthood for the time being, then taking the $500 million dollars annually that fund PP, and moving it out to all the other 1,300 organizations nation wide that perform the same EXACT services and products as PP does. Dems do NOT want this as Planned Parenthood actually takes a massive chunk of money each year and "donates" it to political parties....Well I believe the 10 year calculation recently taken came out to be something around the range of 98% to Democrats and 2% to Republicans; with a margin of error of about 0.2% of course. So Rep compromise with a logical solution which cuts NOTHING to the public, Dems oppose compromise as this would shut out a massive donor to their political party.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T17:34:53.6190526Z
@gabep -- So I ask you, who is TRULY the party currently threatening a government shutdown? The Repubs for offering a compromise which keeps the same products and services available to the public by removing the funding from the organization currently going through some very disgusting court battles? Or is it the Dems who are forcing the shutdown as they absolutely, 100% REFUSE to even compromise or even discuss the issue with the Repubs?
gabep says2015-10-11T17:37:25.0727373Z
First, let's look at the facts. I will ask you why you believe that PP should be defunded.
gabep says2015-10-11T17:42:09.6378096Z
The video that the Republicans are citing as evidence was edited. "But the full, unedited video they cite as evidence shows a Planned Parenthood executive repeatedly saying its clinics want to cover their costs, not make money, when donating fetal tissue from abortions for scientific research " (1). In addition, they don't sell tissue to make profits, they sell tissue to cover operating costs, which would indicate that they are not getting enough funding. (1) - http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T17:42:49.8080001Z
@gabep -- Next, are 4 more topics that ALSO are contributing the possible shutdown: 1) The sequester looming which comes back to the Dems want to grow government and demand more money for everything they want, and the Repubs trying to provide a balanced budget...Or even just the 1st budget since Obama has taken office. Dems want more money we don't have, Repubs want to stop our spending and debt crisis. Who do you think is on the "good side" of that fight and who is the problem? 2) The ILLEGAL Iran deals. Let me emphasize ILLEGAL!!! And on MULTIPLE levels. This one is all Obama's fault 100% and is going to end up in the supreme court as well as congressional reviews for all kinds of laws being broken, the constitution being violated, and even Obama violating laws that he himself drafted and signed into law via executive action back in 2012. 3) Import-Export Banking: Not going to try and explain this one to you cuz it's already 15 stories over your head. 4) The highway trust fund: Refer to response for #3 above.
gabep says2015-10-11T17:51:39.5358044Z
1. I wouldn't see that as a Democrat-only problem, seeing as we are spending as much money for the military as the next 10 countries combined. 2. Congress effectively approved an agreement: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-114hr1191eas/pdf/BILLS-114hr1191eas.pdf 3. The import-export bank has been criticized for favoring special interests. Strange, last time I checked that was a Republican thing. 4. At least we get some money to fix our crumbling infrastructure. 5. That's all for now, I have to leave soon. Peace.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T17:59:26.2777446Z
@gabep -- Incorrect. The report you reference uses statement provided by a Planned Parenthood-commissioned audit team who did NOT have access to ALL video and audio. Conversely, Alliance Defending Freedom contracted a third party forensic audit by Coalfire, a company specializing in digital security and forensics with a very strong resume providing evidence and statements in both civil and criminal investigations. There report of findings after being given access to EVERY SINGLE SECOND of audio and video in an unedited format, was that ALL edits to public videos were made for sake of time as these videos were HOURS long. The edits made have no effect on content and context of messages provided in ANY of the videos provided. The only questionable video that was released was the one of the self proclaimed "former employee" of a third party specimen collection company who gave her first hand account of events taking place. Additionally, the video clip you are talking about actually shows the employee of Planned Parenthood attempting to backtrack statements made previously about cost in order for her to "ensure she is not admitting to knowingly breaking any laws because if it ever got out that we were breaking laws, the government could shut us down." The pay for play scheme is also just a small piece of the allegations being made and self incrimination on video and audio. There are a few other issues, most notably the individual describing to the "potential buyer" how they "Alter the way they perform their abortions because they want to save as many intact specimens as possible that they can sell." Going on to state "I actually hop in and perform some of these abortions to ensure the best specimen possible. I mean I trust myself more than anyone right? (insert laugh)". Continuing to state "...Yeah, you know if you request something specific or even just to save the most profitable organs of the fetus, I can alter the way I remove the fetus too. You know I can hold it in there, clamp up here or clamp down here to avoid destroying specimens we want to save..." This practice last mentioned is actually AMAZINGLY illegal to do. How about that stuff then for ya buddy?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T18:17:36.5983119Z
@gabep -- 1. Military? Obama already cut us back to pre WWII spending levels on his own. Also, do you like living in an awesomely free nation where you don’t have to worry about another nation launching thousands of rockets into our backyards annually as other nations do? Do you enjoy not having to deal with crazy wakos running Middle East nations sending military resources over our borders claiming Texas or Michigan in the name of whatever, being forced into submitting to Sharia Law, be tortured and killed, sold into sex slave trade, etc.? I like my life, the Federal Government is actually setup for 1 single solitary purpose….Fielding the strongest military force on the planet in order to keep the citizens of the union (or states comprising the nation) safe from foreign invaders. Sooooo you are blaming what? The ENTIRE purpose of the federal government? Come on man, don’t pull the cop-out responses, there are BILLIONS wasted each year in the nation just by our government that can be leveled out and controlled MUCH better. 2. What is this in reference to? That is just a bill proposing an amendment to IRS code which removes the “employed” designation from emergency services volunteers in order to remove them from the employer’s health care coverage responsibilities among other nuances for the same situation. So, what does this go with? 3. Oh really? You think import-export banking issue is ALL about special interest funding from the banking industry in question? That’s ALL you think it is…REALLY? Also, you truly think that special interest funding is only performed by Repubs? Hmm….Pretty sure you’re lying there buddy. 4. The issue here is where the money comes FROM. The Repubs want balanced budget, redistributing taxpayer funding across all sectors, the Dems just want us to squat over a conveyor belt and start pushing out more magic dollar bills to toss out everywhere. Again, Dem’s failure to compromise. 5. Hope you’re leaving to actually study something for a bit instead of vomiting ignorant and fact-less opinions….VERY wrong opinions at that.
Texas14 says2015-10-11T22:02:35.1241135Z
@makesensepeopledont, you're telling me the shutdown of 2013 wasn't the Republicans fault? Are you kidding me? They tried to get Obamacare defunded and it didn't work. Even if it passed in the senate (which it wouldn't) there's no way Obama would sign that. He would veto it immediately. But the republicans didn't care. They shut down the government anyway. And they're trying to pull the same situation with planned parenthood.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-12T00:07:06.5188234Z
@Texas14 -- Do you know WHY they wanted to defund the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare as you put it) via the House's power of the purse, withholding funding for the Act? It was because we still had NO idea how much it would cost in reality, we had no idea how major parts of the law would be implemented, there were provisions in the law (and still are today) that make no sense at all and have no way of being fiscally solvent (meaning we have no way to bring in what is required to pay the bills for it), Obama was continually using executive action to alter the law so he didn't look bad; it was altered so many times that nobody even knew what was in the law at that point. Additionally, the state and federal exchanges were a security nightmare, most of them weren't even running, to this day most of them STILL aren't working and are in no way able to be certified by the government's own privacy and HIPAA standards for securely transferring and storing personal information, and SOOOO much more. So, Republicans requested a 1 year delay so all of those wrinkles and tears could be repaired, so all the security concerns could be resolved, so the Republicans could at least be confident that every citizen that put in their social security number and other Personal Identifying Information, they could be sure that it was safe. Remember, the MASSIVE deal which led to congressional hearings and all at that time was the fact that the Canadian development team that built the websites on contract for the government had NO idea what they were doing and literally had ZERO security setup client side OR server side, additionally, the background system they were using as their platform was from something ridiculous like 1992, people's info vanishing, no ability to balance the federal budget without cutting other programs to fund ACA, I gotta stop here because I could continue for the next hour with all the problems. || Fact is, the Democrats denied this request every time it was presented without presenting ANY alternative solutions. Then, they absolutely REFUSED to cut spending ANYWHERE in the budget to pay for the ACA. So in order to protect YOU, as well as balance the budget, the Republicans sent the Senate a budget funding bill that removed ACA funding completely, moving the funds for the ACA to the government expenditures in order to pay for the Dems drunken spending, and added in a stipulation that stated the ACA would be delayed for 1 fiscal year in order to address ALL of the issues listed above and more and funding would be provided starting in fiscal year 2013-2014. The Democrats denied EVERY piece of the offer, striped it clean and sent back to the House a ridiculous funding proposal that increased government spending and FULLY funded the ACA with no stipulations for the issues to address or even addressing the complete inability for the system to secure YOUR information. This whole back and forth went on and on with the Republicans changing their offer each time, sliding more to the Dems side to appease them, yet the Dems wouldn't budge even a single penny. They sat in session and told the House Republicans "You're going to give us EVERYTHING we want or we will keep the shutdown in place." In the meantime, Dems and Obama went all over TV saying how EVERYTHING was the Republican's fault and the Republicans wouldn't agree to any of the "MANY" compromises the Dems were offering up even though they were offering absolutely no compromises at all. Then in order to solidify public rage against Republicans and keep attention away from the Dems, Obama started shutting down the dumbest things; the tactic used for nothing more than to simply hurt the American people and turn them against the Republicans. These things consisted of closing War Memorials, cemeteries, closing national parks, shutting down the visitor attractions at the darn Colorado River, shutting down visitations to the White House, refusing to let groups of elementary and Middle School students into the White House not caring at all about the fact the kids spent all school year raising money to see the White House; all of these USELESS actions that were implemented by Obama himself that were designed and implemented to do absolutely NOTHING outside of make you angry and frustrated. So let's recap VERY short manner here for you: The government was shutdown because the Dems had ZERO interest in balancing the budget to PAY for the ACA. Additionally, and MOST sickening to me and should be to you as well; both the Democrats AND Obama himself had ABSOLUTELY ZERO concern over your privacy in data security. They were presented with reports from multiple investigators and even white hat hackers (friendly ones working in the info security trade) sent proof of how easy it was to hack the systems..It couldn't even be called hacking to be honest. One white hat hacker who had no affiliation with the ACA in any way decided to try and pull as much personal data as he could from the servers. He LITERALLY opened the marketplace website, went to the site search bar in the top right of the home page and typed in a SQL Query command to search ALL names on the server and deliver every piece of personal info including socials to him. After taking 30 seconds to go to the website and type the query in the search bar, he walked away and came back a half hour later with every piece of data on every person that had signed up at that point...In 30 minutes. Obama didn't care...He even attempted to hide it from the public so we wouldn't know. He knowingly risked your social for his own gain.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-12T00:12:34.8675186Z
@Texas14 -- So, you tell me, whose fault was the shutdown? The Republicans who were attempting to do what we were screaming for which was to balance the budget? The Republicans who showed time and time again the willingness to compromise with the Dems? The same Republicans who were so concerned over the lack of protections for YOUR PERSONAL information that they were willing to push back on the Dems and allow THEM to shutdown the government in order to protect you? Or was it the fault of the Dems who 100% refused to compromise or even budge by a single solitary penny in order to work with the Republicans? The same Dems that teamed up with Obama to ACTIVELY hide the HUGE security risks to your personal data in order to have the population agree with them on the ACA so they could selfishly get EVERYTHING they wanted, no matter the cost to US? Who WAS, and still remains the REAL problem here?
Renegader says2015-10-12T20:35:00.9729079Z
Interesting question because Republicans seem to be more racist and bigoted but democrats are more intolerant of unpopular opinions.
Bob13 says2015-10-12T20:58:04.6624760Z
The democrats are more racist because they support affirmative action.
gabep says2015-10-12T20:59:38.8552726Z
Are you kidding me? It is widely known that Republicans are more intolerant of different people, such as minorities and the LGBT community. Affirmative action is designed to help the oppressed find opportunities.
Bob13 says2015-10-12T21:30:39.4059073Z
It is designed to do that, but it only discriminates against whites. Republicans are not intolerant of the LGBT community, they just don't think that homosexual marriage or being trans gender should be legal. The only difference between the LGBT "rights" movement and the KKK is that the latter has more obvious harms.
gabep says2015-10-12T22:12:41.5376089Z
If you look at it that way, Democrats only discriminate against one race, and Republicans discriminate against all other races.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-12T22:13:38.0886964Z
@Renegader -- Interesting response actually. However, could you expand on what you mean by "republicans are more racist and bigoted."?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-12T22:26:53.0955847Z
@gabep -- Republicans are more intolerant of minorities? Uummmmm Abraham Lincoln FTW? How about the creation of the Republican Party in 1854 by dedicated abolitionists and championing the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Mmmmmmm Martin Luther King Jr.? Dwight Eisenhower signing the Civil Rights Act of 1957? Should I continue?
gabep says2015-10-12T22:31:39.9246823Z
Those examples are all at least a few decades old. We are talking about modern politics. Read the title.
Bob13 says2015-10-13T00:05:31.7402026Z
Prove that Republicans have ever discriminated.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-13T00:08:16.4331727Z
@gabep Well, taking exactly 6 seconds on google, I found a list of the top 100 for you, here you go buddy; || http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/african-american-republicans-influential-2015/2015/02/18/id/625445/ || Yet another example of you posting on here without even taking a second to do any research. Let me ask you a question: Do you hate the Republican Party because you understand it and don't agree with it; or do you hate the Republican Party because someone told you to, fed you a bunch of lines, then you just agreed with them and went along with it?
gabep says2015-10-13T00:08:44.0919016Z
"They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists" - Donald Trump, on Hispanic immigrants Also: http://www.alternet.org/story/153895/the_10_most_racist_moments_of_the_gop_primary_(so_far)
gabep says2015-10-13T00:10:15.0104500Z
I don't hate the Republican party. Some are quite reasonable. I hate the Tea Party and how they have bottlenecked our Congress.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-13T00:19:23.5804961Z
@gabep -- So you are saying Trump is racist because he pointed out the truth? That illegal immigrants are mulling drugs over the border as part of their payment? That over 75% of illegal immigrant women report being rapped by members of their group or their Coyotes on their way here? That criminals are sneaking across the border which again is true? Well, I didn't know the definition of racism had changed recently.
Bob13 says2015-10-13T00:24:35.4761971Z
@gabep Read that article. Pretty hilarious.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-13T00:25:10.2434739Z
@gabep -- Also, the link you provide, I suggest you actually read it, then research it, dont just take it at face value of it's title on google search. I've gone through them already and did not find a single one that was racist; unless I missed one and you can show it to me.
tajshar2k says2015-10-13T00:26:05.1935224Z
The GOP is causing trouble once again. Not surprised. Just like last time.
gabep says2015-10-13T00:26:52.4936320Z
1. But he assumes that most immigrants are doing that, which is false. Many are trying to escape from drug violence, not participate in it. 2. Please provide evidence so I know you're not pulling that out of your @$$. 3. Some criminals are, but as I have stated earlier, many are merely looking for a better life.
Bob13 says2015-10-13T00:29:14.5187632Z
Trump never states that most of them do it, just that it is done.
gabep says2015-10-13T00:31:52.1330982Z
He says "And some, I assume, are good people". "Some" would imply that he believes that the majority of immigrants are bad. Later, he says "I don’t think it’s a small percentage, it’s a lot".
gabep says2015-10-13T00:34:43.2494013Z
Take this, MSPD: "For 2013 (the most recent year available), it shows that whites accounted for 71 percent of all sexual assaults documented (above their total percentage of 63 percent of the U.S. population), while Latinos accounted for 9 percent, far below their total percentage of 17 percent". Full story: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/donald-trump-mexicans-119849#ixzz3oP5QStPy
idoubtit says2015-10-13T13:58:25.7803590Z
Regarding anti-Trumpers: Has no one here ever said anything that simply came out wrong and sounded like nothing you actually meant? Is it inconceivable he could be speaking about a specific percentage of Mexicans, not at all meaning the majority, then realized how it sounded and tried to amend it? Does anyone take into consideration that he's not a professional politician, that when it comes to public speaking, he's just like most people? Personally, I find his blunders refreshing. They demonstrate he's not a calculating liar. Contrast that to say, Hillary Clinton, whose every word is prewritten and so overly rehearsed it comes out stiff. And the difference between them when hit with something unexpected? Trump will rattle on with whatever comes to his mind, while Clinton will ahh-ahhh-ahhh while she searches for what "best" (for her own agenda) to say. I don't want to hear what's "best", I want to hear real.
Bob13 says2015-10-14T20:40:47.1708084Z
"For 2013 (the most recent year available), it shows that whites accounted for 71 percent of all sexual assaults documented (above their total percentage of 63 percent of the U.S. population), while Latinos accounted for 9 percent, far below their total percentage of 17 percent" This proves nothing. To get an accurate conclusion you should find the percentages of whites and the percentage of Latinos that have assaulted in any way, not just sexual assault.
idoubtit says2015-10-14T21:27:59.7172794Z
I've poked around on that Politico website, and they severely skew data. I regard it as a propaganda site. I've seen other percentages out there that tell an entirely different story, whether from the far right or the middle (no bias).
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-14T23:16:12.4622878Z
@idoubtit -- EVERYBODY is biased about things they are passionate about in some way. The thing you should be doing is vetting their information use 3-5 generally reliable sources on your own as a contrast. We are at a point in time with even President Obama, that EVERY data set is being manipulated. For example; President Obama and his immigration / deportation facts.
Haroush says2015-10-15T02:16:30.0601970Z
Taj is causing trouble once again. Not surprised though.. (Smh)
Haroush says2015-10-15T02:19:22.9458403Z
@Bob13, Haven't you heard of the reports prisoners have been lying about their race and ethnicity?
Haroush says2015-10-15T02:23:59.6243524Z
tajshar2k says2015-10-15T02:41:11.0647272Z
@Haroush So you are resorting to a 3rd Grader comeback.
Haroush says2015-10-15T03:06:26.5244058Z
No, I am resorting to mocking your 3rd grader comebacks.
tajshar2k says2015-10-15T15:44:25.4222153Z
@Haroush And one again, you just proved your intelligence is very low. How was my comment a comeback? Who was I replying too?
Haroush says2015-10-15T17:55:14.4990757Z
You were replying to the poll... Dur due.
Haroush says2015-10-15T17:56:03.1551638Z
*dur dur.
tajshar2k says2015-10-15T23:48:24.9534311Z
Ok guys, so according to Haroush, the poll is now a person.
Haroush says2015-10-16T01:59:14.7223447Z
No, a person created the poll in which you are responding to.
tajshar2k says2015-10-16T02:02:55.9445266Z
But that person is asking a question. How do you give a comeback to a person who is asking a question?
Haroush says2015-10-16T02:03:47.4449968Z
Because you can..
tajshar2k says2015-10-16T02:05:50.0154111Z
Comeback: a quick reply to a critical remark. Please point out where the remark in the question was? You know what a remark is right?
Haroush says2015-10-16T02:14:54.7337193Z
Just a question can be seen as a critical remark depending upon multiple variables.. A.)Who is presenting the question B.) What is the question about C.) How is the question presented D.) How great of a listening ability does the audience in question have

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