OFFICIAL AUGUST POLL: Do you Approve or disapprove the bsh1 administration?

Posted by: lannan13

  • Approve

  • Disapprove

86% 12 votes
14% 2 votes
  • Hail the Dark Lord

  • One one hand. 1.Baby Plastic surgey is FAR from universal 2.TERRIBLE London stull isn't conquered. 3.AUSTRALIA still stans in the way of our memorual cdntuar! 4.SQURIELS continuebto secretly mock us, And I KNOW they do don't question it! On the other hand He managed to Get an update Where juggle beats me up, so i guess i'm netural. If only things fet dine here faster.

  • I'd like to see him give more ELO to the low ELO people though. Maybe if we give them ELO it will solve their problems or make life a little bit easier for them. Maybe they'll be good debaters if we all just gave them a little bit of our own ELO. As a liberal he should know that giving people something they lack, fixes the reason they lack it..

    Posted by: Wylted
  • I have no reason to be against it.

  • He's had pretty good "user outreach[?]" programs, as you can see in the Presidential updates.

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lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:17:37.2378669Z
Feed back would be great.
TBR says2015-08-04T22:22:04.8358971Z
I'm not entirely aware of anything that has been done. So....
lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:22:58.2662396Z
So on balance you think that "his doing nothing" is better than him doing something to worsen the status quo?
TBR says2015-08-04T22:24:16.7876281Z
What I am saying is I knew of no presidential activity before, I know of virtually none now.
TBR says2015-08-04T22:25:13.6343925Z
What, if anything, has been done that you dislike?
UtherPenguin says2015-08-04T22:26:22.3372329Z
Has the term "President" been replaced by "Dark Lord" yet?
lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:27:40.1193315Z
Depends on the President. I generally tend to disapprove of a DDO president after there first term. The only exceptions have been Airmax1227 and TUF.
lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:28:03.5818819Z
Wait, so TBR, you didn't know we had a President?
TBR says2015-08-04T22:29:39.6940980Z
@lannan13 - Not for some time after joining. I have seen no real activity. There was a post (or two?) from before the most current election, and... Well one update on the "fixes" for the site since? No, I have seen very little activity, and can't see any real difference.
TBR says2015-08-04T22:31:10.0966775Z
My default is, bsh1 is doing fine. There are no negative effects that I can see.
lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:32:29.8695037Z
There's been few activity from Presidents, but it all depends on Juggle for "Updates" mainly the President can run on DDO policy and site issues that he can control.
TBR says2015-08-04T22:33:55.1769357Z
@lannan13 - They can communicate with the user base. I would guess that is the most power they could hope for.
lannan13 says2015-08-04T22:35:49.3384675Z
That's all they can really do. Most is just escentially setting up things, but still what we can do. The President is "suppose" to be a link between DDO and Juggle, but when Juggle doesn't listen it's hard to be a link.
triangle.128k says2015-08-04T22:50:54.4406694Z
Do you think bsh1 was born in US, or is he from Kenya?
UtherPenguin says2015-08-04T22:51:55.4994608Z
@triangle bsh1 HUSSEIN Obama? I think that's a major clue.
triangle.128k says2015-08-04T22:54:06.7119019Z
He'll raise the DDO debt more than any other president.
UtherPenguin says2015-08-04T22:57:21.3950647Z
Isn't it a coincidence his middle name is HUSSEIN. You know who also has HUSSEIN as a middle name? Saddam HUSSEIN Obama
TBR says2015-08-04T22:58:54.6056622Z
I have made this pitch several time, and understand the reasons why airmax disagrees, but it would be a good place for a president to communicate on the problem (both perceived and real) to the user base. I believe the general ennui people have towards Juggle could be reversed with better communications.
triangle.128k says2015-08-04T23:20:20.2192266Z
@UtherPenguin Do you think that bsh1 is secretly airmax1227 in disguise?
TBR says2015-08-04T23:21:23.3234986Z
They were talking at the same time on a hangout, so no...
triangle.128k says2015-08-04T23:22:30.1952532Z
That's what they want you to think...
TBR says2015-08-04T23:23:47.5212128Z
I would guess that people have better things to do than fake multi people on a conference call.
UtherPenguin says2015-08-04T23:56:01.3548284Z
@triangle We're all Airmax in disguise.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T00:00:07.6422905Z
So far I have no complaints, but he left some promises, such as upgrading the features on the site (team debates, big issues, etc..) Hopefully he will live up to those promises.
TBR says2015-08-05T00:02:34.9072345Z
@tajshar2k - Well the problem is not that he has not done these, the problem would be that he has run into issues getting these things done, right? So, with a little more communication you would be forgiving, right?
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T00:03:35.1149371Z
What do you mean by more communication?
TBR says2015-08-05T00:11:24.1631438Z
Well, I will not run through the discussion again, as I said, I had the conversation with airmax and respect his position on the subject, but the basic point is, if you communicate where you are in discussions with site developers, the perception of 'nothing gets done' would change. There is a lot that happens on any site, but to the casual user it can seem like nothing happens. If the discussions are hitting technical or budget problems between ddo presidents, and site owners, if you knew that you might understand that it is not inactivity. But legit problems.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T00:12:28.8723586Z
So, wouldn't it be wise to leave the Developing in the hands of some experienced DDO user who is a programmer?
TBR says2015-08-05T00:17:42.8330545Z
Let me put it this way. The real costs of work on the site may be ~80$\hr. The actual time required to of some of the things suggested may be 40-100 hours. That may not be trivial to the site owners, and more importantly, may be taxing their current schedule. If the answer back was, adding this 'feature' would cost 10k, and the sites review does not merit that, well that is a real explanation. Site growth may not merit their spending that time and money.
TBR says2015-08-05T00:20:12.7881324Z
To your last comment. NO! That is a terrible idea. I can elaborate, but I am on my tablet right now, and cant type it all out using a onscreen keyboard.
tajshar2k says2015-08-05T00:20:47.3423539Z
Oh I see.
TBR says2015-08-05T00:51:55.5519074Z
Lets discuss the 'volunteer' programming suggesting. Like I said, it is large, but just to give you a couple ideas why that is a terrible idea. Code is not a 'this is right, that is wrong' sort of thing... Well, put another way, each programmer will work a problem a different way. So, say you get one guy who 'donates' 6 months worth of PT effort to the site. He then goes off. Well, that is a bulk of code that is most likly underdocumented, and becomes a hassle for those that MUST maintain it.
TBR says2015-08-05T00:59:16.5862653Z
Another is, standards and architecture. A 'volunteer' working outside the direct guidance of the architect may veer off in a fundamentally 'wrong' direction form the path the guy who is ultimately responsible wants. Lets say, just as a terrible example, a guy starts tossing in PHP code on a site that is .Net. Or is working around the stored procedures of the DBMS. That could cause huge problems. I would rather delay projects that I want rather than open my systems to free help.
Mister_Man says2015-08-05T02:41:39.3760166Z
Just to throw it out there, I haven't noticed a single change in this site (other than the ability to say shit and junk) since I've started here about a year ago. I voted for Mikal and I haven't even seen him post anything anywhere (other than the forums, which I don't take part in very often) since he was elected. So either I'm just not very observant or nothing has happened and there's no point to having a president or other forms of council other than popularity.
TBR says2015-08-05T04:55:41.7105947Z
@Mister_Man - Yup. There is value in that too, but... Well, point is if president is "cool kid in the forums" then call it that.
Stefy says2015-08-07T00:25:16.7980099Z
Really havent noticed any difference.

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