Yea, we have a good reason for that. Letting the Arab world go unchecked isn't a wise option for maintaining world peace. Yes, we screwed up in Iraq, but doing absolutely nothing will result in a chaotic world.
Shalal12, it's funny though, cause every poll I've seen you on, you're commenting about how aggressive the US and it's allies are, like you hate the US with all your heart, and won't admit that all countries in the middle east are aggressive.
Women in the US aren't oppressed. There isn't torture in the US. People can handle someone insulting their religion without beheading them in the US. At least the US has a secular government and freedom of religion. At least you can drink wine without being arrested in the US. A man can also talk to a woman in public without getting arrested.
I'm not talking about the countries in the Middle East but about Iran! USA and Israel are so aggressive and that fact is undeniable.
I have no problem with any countries or any nations however I hate cruel governments which has silent people. As if they are satisfied with what their government does. The works which USA does in the Middle East make hater in peoples hearts.
We'd better take these haters seriously!
I'm just looking for some parts of your brain which is not washed by your media and propaganda!
"... And guess what, Iran isn't one of them."
You can talk to any women in Iran without being arrested!
A drunk person must be arrested because he has lost his brain for some hours and he can do anything!
Be proud of your secular government in which women have turned into "s.E.X instruments". Just look at your websites and movies which ruin the foundations of families. Your sisters and even in some rare conditions mothers sleep with any one they want and you just look!
Your secular government is going to be more advanced with "gay marriage". Enjoy it man!
@shalal12 Normally I would say that few countries actually have a legitimate reason to hate the US. Iran is one of those few however. But no matter what Iran thinks of us, no one in are government will care. Iran is a nuisance, nothing more nothing less. Im am sorry for what my government has done to yours in the past, but I regret to inform you that you will never be taken seriously.
@tajshar2k, The difference is that every other non muslim country would side with us. Because they value fairness, peace, freedom. So until you give up your barbaric ways, we will be in the middle east.
@shalal12 Drinking a little bit of wine won't make you crazy drunk. Women aren't sex instruments in our country, it's just that women don't have to literally hide themselves in clothing. There's also nothing wrong with legal gay marriage you homophobe. See, our society is accepting and tolerant of others including homosexuals. Unlike your society.
Every non Muslim country?!
China? Russia? Brazil? Latin America? African countries?...
Your government dumps tones of grain into sea yearly and avoids to sell it to African poor countries.
It shows how much your government care about human rights!
Your navy ruined Iranian airplane with 290 passengers including 60 innocent children in a barbaric way and then it said "we thought it was a fighter!"
Yea, we give them more money in aid, than your entire GDP. Also regarding the warplane incident, it was an accident, and the U.S already paid the victims of the deceased money. Please, do not act like you are saints, Iran is already under watch for human rights violations along with Saudi Arabia and North Korea. The only thing that has prevented you from killing Americans is your incompetence.
@shalal12 The US is the largest provider of foreign aid to the African countries. We are also the largest providers of foreign aid to Palestine, China, Venezuela, and a host of other countries. We are the #1 givers in the world.
An American defines "competence" in killing other people and an Iranian defines it in avoiding to kill. Yea with your definition we are incompetence people because we can't kill other people.
Please tell me that you know nothing about electronics. Even a stupid eye can distinguish between an airplane and a fighter. USA did it to make us understand that it can harm us without caring anything.
You kill your own people for speaking out. So you do kill people. You killed 2 innocent gay men for being gay, and your the one to talk? This is why the whole world hates Islam, because of BS laws that so many countries put forward. I honestly feel bad for liberal muslims who are all against this, but countries like yours spoil the reputation of everybody. Groups like ISIS are more alike to countries like Iran. Are you from the military? Judging from that comment I think not. Those anti aircraft guns are automatic. They scan the skies to see what flies, and if it is enemy contact, they are supposed to fire. For some reason, the anti aircraft system was not working properly, and on top of that the operator wasn't careful in addressing the fighter plane as a war plane. So, the tragedy occurred.
So you think sending in educators to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan is a good idea? You should probably know, that those countries aren't really that safe. BTW, what exactly would you expect them to be educated on?
ISIS fights with American weapons and it sells the oil of Iraq and Syria with American dollars. You cant find a single Shia Muslim in ISIS groups.In fact its Wahhabi and Salafi Muslims who join it. And I'm proud to inform you that USA and Israel are the main supporters of these two radical branches of Islam. You deserve to be blamed!
All pictures I see with ISIS are them with Russian AK-47's.... Also, no sh*t, ISIS is a strict Sunni group, do you think they would allow Shia's? With your logic, I'm going to blame every muslims terrorist attack on you.
Nice try on changing the subject, but the fact is that no country ever puts effort into actually solving the problem. Its easy to point fingers at people. But okay, hobbits after all don't like big adventures.
so you were wrong to compare Iran with ISIS and garlic was also wrong to say that our children join ISIS.
" AK-47" doesn't change the result of the battle however Tav anti tank missiles which are sold to terrorists by USA change the outcome of the battle.
The advanced sensors never make such wrong decisions to attack an airplane. It's just a fabricated story to make you persuaded. I just wonder how you can believe these lies. It happens a lot. An Iraqi commander was angry that USA sent weapons to ISIS by an airplane. He also recorded that happening. American commanders said that they wanted to give it to Iraq army but wind took it to ISIS!!!
@shalal12 You are a bit misguided in where ISIS got the money and weapons. They money came from all the banks that they ransacked in the opening months of their conquest. The US dollar is essentially the reserve currency of the world, so most banks have large amounts of them. The weapons were confiscated from Iraq military bases who abandoned their weapons (they are downgraded versions of US hardware that we give to nations we don't necessarily trust) when they fled from ISIS. The US has not given ISIS any weapons or money.
Definition of Police: the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order. It doesn't say we have to deescalate the situation. Also, that is highly subjective, do you think Kurds felt like the situation escalated when we killed Saddam Hussein.
@reece The UN peacekeepers have a very shaky track record when it comes to actually keeping peace. Normally murder and rape rates go up noticeably wherever they go. Plus when they need permission from the security council to attack offensively, they are often forced to sit back and watch atrocities happen.
USA can put hard sanctions on ISIS oil trade however it lets some freedom in trades because of so many reasons.
I also don't mean the weapons which are confiscated or was abandoned with Iraq army. I'm talking about the weapons which USA sells to terrorists.
@reece Actually yes, it is worse than America. The US is at least able to react to certain situations whereas the UN peacekeepers need permission from the security council to do anything. Plus the US is actually well disciplined (rape, murder, pillaging, and the like are rarer among the US forces than the UN) and are actually good at reducing civilian casualties when compared to other nations.
@shalal12 The US does not purchase oil from ISIS. In fact ISIS doesn't really have much of an oil trade at all. Most of their money now comes from extortion, hostage taking, and selling relicts/museum pieces on the black market. As for these weapons you are claiming of, the US has issued no caches to ISIS (it takes congresses approval to supply weapons to anyone, and that particular group has not been provided with any). We have given small arms to a few militia groups fighting ISIS, but that is about it. If ISIS killed them and took the weapons, I couldn't tell you. We also send humanitarian aid drops to some villages in ISIS's territory to help with starvation and medicine, so I guess ISIS could have stole those from the villages. But we have given them no weapons.
@reece drones are actually the best weapons we have to avoid as much civilian casualties as possible. All of our other weapons are less precise and more likely to cause collateral damage. If we used another weapon (airstrikes, artillery, armored divisions, etc.) the casualty rating would be considerably higher and more infrastructure would be destroyed. People die in war, thats unavoidable. Our drones kill less than their would have been.
Shalal12, I love how you accuse the US of "atrocities in the middle east," whereas the countries in the middle east don't even have decent freedom of speech laws, they're a barren wasteland of human rights. Compare how the middle eastern countries treat their citizens vs how America treats theirs.
ISIS gains 4 million dollars per day from selling oil. Also you know that your government sells weapons to terrorist groups and its exactly what I meant. However you claim that they are small groups fighting with ISIS. In fact I don't care. Terrorist is terrorist. Your government should NOT give them weapons!
And about aids which were taken by ISIS from American planes; I really can't be optimist because USA army has a long experience in making such stories like "wind took it" or "automatic missiles attacked airplane as a fighter"
@reece The UN peacekeepers don't really use drones, so they would have to use the far less accurate methods that I listed earlier. I say would because the peacekeepers have never been in a conflict the size of which the US is used to. If you look at some of the conflicts that the US has been in that are on the scale of what the UN deals with (like Kuwait. Its not quite right but it is close enough) were an estimated 3000 were killed directly and 100,000 indirectly compared to the UN peacekeeping force in the Congo which has 860,000 directly and between 2.5-5 million indirectly killed. The peacekeepers would have never been capable of removing Saddam for example and even if they could, more would have died in the process.
Your saying shows how much your media cuts the news!
It's because of Iran that Syria is still fighting with ISIS. You'd better check some true webpages instead of your TV and bias webpages!
Yeah, so basically, Shalal12 said "Midnight knows nothing about the Middle East" therefore I'm right. Maybe he should put aside the ad hominem and actually try to show that the Middle East has decent human rights.
@reece The best way that I can describe the current situation in the middle east is... Its complicated. ISIS is currently fighting the Kurds, the Iraqi's, militia in Syria, and the Assad regime (that last one is important). We can't take out ISIS without giving the Assad regime control over Syria again (effectively making 3 years of civil war and 200,000 deaths pointless). We also can't take out Assad without giving ISIS control of the region. We are trying to support the Free Syrian Army (which is actually a conglomerate of militia groups. Some are moderates, but others are Islamic radicals and we can't tell the difference) to fight both Assad and ISIS. We want the Kurds to continue winning battles, but we can't give them any weapons for fear of angering Turkey (who we want more involved in fighting ISIS and Assad). Iraq is not strong enough to fight ISIS, so they need the help of both US airstrikes and Iranian militia groups (and we need both Iran and the US helping Iraq, even if neither will ever admit it). People need to start accepting the fact that their is NO QUICK FIX FOR THIS PROBLEM. The best we can do is get more middle eastern nations involved and help them fix the problem themselves as much as possible. Any other method just makes the citation messier.
@shalal12, So basically any website that agrees with your ideas, its real? Again, you still failed to give sources. My sources come from actual research and studies down by educated people, and not Fox News. I know you lied about your first link, because nobody was able to open it. Its just some random page.
@reece War is the only option. Just not the kind we've been doing the past decade. The US is involved whether people like it or not. We can't pull ourselves out of it. That would be the worst option available to us. As for what comes after them, its impossible to say. If we can get a stable government in the region (at this point Id even take someone like Saddam) then things will improve. If not, then you are right.
I support peace talks and education opportunities, because I do not like it when people hate each other. I'm sorry guys, but with Muslims, this isn't a viable option. I support our military to stop terrorism, because thats the only thing that can be done. Muslims do not understand peace.
Assad was chosen by 83% of Syrian people in an election. USA gives weapons to free army to weaken Assad's government (which is chosen by Syrian majority people). The rebels fighting in free army are not all Syrians!! They are from Che Chen, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia,Europe, Turkey... And jails of Syria (including thieves, murderers, rapers, spies, ...) and also some stupid brain washed Syrians which are basically Wahhabi and Salafi radical Muslims. USA, Israel and Turkey weaken Assad's military and Syrians can't fight with ISIS. In fact it's because of USA and Israel that ISIS took power in Syria.
Don't you wanna respect Syrians rights?!!!
When ever it comes to talking about human rights, Americans immediately stand up and talk about a woman who was hit in one of the villages of Middle East. However, when free army's soldiers rape and kill Syrians they are silent!!!
Don't forget the fact that the soldiers who have joined Assad's Army are basically Syrian boys who are the owner of Syria and USA doesn't have right to weaken them.
Are you living on Plane Earth ?!!!
" I support our military to stop terrorism, because thats the only thing that can be done. Muslims do not understand peace."
USA understand peace?!
You nuked Japan and you still support that barbaric action with stupid excuses!
You have many nuclear bombs!
You ruined Vietnam and your soldiers were all ordered to make Vietnam i women pregnant. As there were many women who became pregnant in order to change the generation!
Your navy ruined Iranian airplane with 290 Iranians including 60 children on Persian Sea then it calimed that it looked like a fighter!
It's some how like a silly joke when Americans talk about peace and human rights!!!
Hundreds of nuclear bombs make your government an angel of peace.
@shalal12 A UN investigation found that Assad rigged both his 2000 and 2007 elections by excluding anyone against his regime from voting and by having his secret police monitor (and count) the results. In the 21st century, democracy has become so prevalent that even nations that don't practice it have to at least give lip service so they at least look good.
I have had enough of hearing such lies about elections. Five years ago when Ahmadi nejad won the election of Iran for being president most western countries (especially USA) claimed that Ahmadi nejad had cheated in election. They claimed that his government excluded his main competitors. Also they claimed that Vezarate Keshvar didn't count the votes correctly. Your TV and Media said this and emphasized that Iranians are in streets to ask their rights about elections. USA backed Musavi and devoted a high amount of money to some stupid groups of Iranians to hit people and ruin cities. This is an old trick which we all fimilier with that!
My friends and most of my relatives were protesting in streets in the first day but in the second day we all found that it's just a trap made by USA.
You should respect our choices and votes (for both Iraninas and Syrians). We decide who cheated in the election not UN or any other American doll. Ahmadi nejad won the election with millions of extra votes and so did Assad.
@shala12 Most middle eastern nations have a bad history with elections. It would be better if you were like Saudi Arabia and being honest about your monarchies and dictatorships instead of trying to hide behind the geas of democracy. If you want to have a totalitarian regime in power, thats fine. Do your thing. But stop lying about it.
Any thing which benefits you is the truth and any thing which is not like what you want is lie. We vote and we decide and you are not the ones who are gonna decide our destiny. In fact it's rich Zionist lobby which makes your government and you have no choice in your government!
In shalal12 defense, Iran is actually one of the few Islamic countries that tend to have honest elections (in recent years at least). But the Ayatollah and the other clerics still have so much power that it isn't a true democracy.
"...Why is it that countries with secular governments do better almost all the time? " do better at what?!Doing better at killing? Yeah USA did better when it nuked Japan. It also did better than Iran when it ordered its soldiers to make Vietnam women make pregnant by force (almost raping) to change the generation of a country. It also did better than Iran when attacked Iraq and your soldiers killed the whole family of a beautiful girl to rape her easily and they also killed her and burned the corpse so that no one can detect the fact. You are always doing better than us!
Doing better at what?!! Economy or humanity? We respect our God and you insult your God. Is it doing better?!
You have no idea who Ayatollahs are and above all you don't know who Ayatollah Khamenei is. In fact it was he who ordered our military scientists to stop working on our missiles' distance. Our scientists tried to make missiles which can reach USA but he didn't let them saying " We have no problems with American people and we will never harm them. We only have problem with USA's government..". Even I wonder if you know how he was chosen to be leader.
@shalal12 You're literally repeating the same arguments which I debunked. Most of USA's government members are trying to ease relations between Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama has been helping to do that as well.
China has the fastest development and economic growth rate out of nearly all other countries. South Korea and Japan are first world countries which are one of the most developed Asian countries. Canada and European countries also are doing very well just for a few examples. Now look at your theocracies, that's more than enough to prove why Secular governments are more efficient.
@shalal12 I'm trying my best not to swear at you. Me liking guns doesn't = I like to kill people. Meanwhile you think gay's should be stoned. Who's the crazy one now? You ripping on the U.S doesn't mean anything, because you failed to provide real statistics 100% of the time I asked you. I can also say Harry Potter flew on his broomstick and blew up the twin towers, doesn't mean it's true.
All your effort was to say that secular governments are doing better at economy. And that was all you could say. In fact I care for humanity more than economy and the fact that USA and its allies had done many barbaric actions against humanity is undeniable (nuking, killing and raping ..). I finish the argument and I ask you to remember economy is for human and human is not for economy.
Haha! Hey boy it's clear that "I like gun" doesn't mean that "I like killing". I was just kidding to try my chance for making you angry!
Of course if you had sworn at me I wouldn't have blamed you because your movies are full of bad words and offensive sentences which make your culture. I wish you could watch an Iranian movie to understand that we never use such sayings and we don't ruin our movies with se*x and p*orn!!!
@reece You fail to understand Islam. If you ever see a wave of Islamic refugees, it is not a bunch of refugees. It is an invasion force. Do you see any Islamic countries taking in those refugees? No, they're running straight into the First World where they know that things like "charity" are that they can take advantage of. This band of refugees decided that they want a place with cities and first world facilities. What they got was a place in the middle of nowhere. What did they do? They refused to get off the bus. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/refugees-refusing-leave-bus-too-cold-sweden-removed If anything, they should be on their hands and knees thanking the people who took them in, but no, they need access to good stuff most of US don't get.