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Very negative, it's a horrible country

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Very positive, it's a great country

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triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:00:15.2625606-05:00
@UtherPenguin What do you like about Saudi Arabia?
UtherPenguin says2015-07-01T12:01:00.5172908-05:00
@Triangle Because reasons
shalal12 says2015-07-01T14:55:24.8085233-05:00
@UtherPenguin , Saudi Arabia burned two schools using bombers in Ramadan Month and again many children were killed! Ramadan Al-Karim. Shahrol Haram
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T20:41:02.9562687-05:00
@58539672 True, we pretend to like them and they give us oil.
Midnight1131 says2015-07-02T15:23:21.9289556-05:00
Shalal12, please don't act like your country [Iran] hasn't committed violent acts.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T15:23:40.9769219-05:00
Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Iraq are probably the worst muslims countries for people to live in!
shalal12 says2015-07-02T15:31:36.3260505-05:00
@Midnight1131, Comparing Iran with USA and its allies (Especially the wild god of the Middle East) one can easily understand how aggressive USA and its allies are!
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T15:33:37.8131993-05:00
Yea, we have a good reason for that. Letting the Arab world go unchecked isn't a wise option for maintaining world peace. Yes, we screwed up in Iraq, but doing absolutely nothing will result in a chaotic world.
Midnight1131 says2015-07-02T15:33:41.2194533-05:00
Shalal12, it's funny though, cause every poll I've seen you on, you're commenting about how aggressive the US and it's allies are, like you hate the US with all your heart, and won't admit that all countries in the middle east are aggressive.
triangle.128k says2015-07-02T17:27:44.2388588-05:00
Women in the US aren't oppressed. There isn't torture in the US. People can handle someone insulting their religion without beheading them in the US. At least the US has a secular government and freedom of religion. At least you can drink wine without being arrested in the US. A man can also talk to a woman in public without getting arrested.
triangle.128k says2015-07-02T17:28:25.0501779-05:00
All of those can even be done in many other countries. And guess what, Iran isn't one of them.
triangle.128k says2015-07-02T17:28:35.7042485-05:00
@shalal12
shalal12 says2015-07-02T18:31:13.5171160-05:00
@Midnight1131, I'm not talking about the countries in the Middle East but about Iran! USA and Israel are so aggressive and that fact is undeniable. I have no problem with any countries or any nations however I hate cruel governments which has silent people. As if they are satisfied with what their government does. The works which USA does in the Middle East make hater in peoples hearts. We'd better take these haters seriously!
shalal12 says2015-07-02T18:45:27.1161510-05:00
@triangle.128k, I'm just looking for some parts of your brain which is not washed by your media and propaganda! "... And guess what, Iran isn't one of them." You can talk to any women in Iran without being arrested! A drunk person must be arrested because he has lost his brain for some hours and he can do anything! Be proud of your secular government in which women have turned into "s.E.X instruments". Just look at your websites and movies which ruin the foundations of families. Your sisters and even in some rare conditions mothers sleep with any one they want and you just look! Your secular government is going to be more advanced with "gay marriage". Enjoy it man!
shalal12 says2015-07-02T18:48:06.1667864-05:00
@tajshar2k , We have got our own good reasons. Letting the aggressive westerns do what they want will ruin the world. It has been years that we have made ourselves ready to defend us against Israel.
58539672 says2015-07-02T18:48:20.9402705-05:00
@shalal12 Normally I would say that few countries actually have a legitimate reason to hate the US. Iran is one of those few however. But no matter what Iran thinks of us, no one in are government will care. Iran is a nuisance, nothing more nothing less. Im am sorry for what my government has done to yours in the past, but I regret to inform you that you will never be taken seriously.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T18:52:17.0972456-05:00
@58539672, I'm glad that you don't take us seriously. Advice your politicians not to take us seriously too. Let us live our lives! We have had enough of the wars which your government causes!
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T18:59:44.1866096-05:00
@tajshar2k, The difference is that every other non muslim country would side with us. Because they value fairness, peace, freedom. So until you give up your barbaric ways, we will be in the middle east.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T18:59:52.3143659-05:00
@shalal12*
triangle.128k says2015-07-02T19:05:45.2431982-05:00
@shalal12 Drinking a little bit of wine won't make you crazy drunk. Women aren't sex instruments in our country, it's just that women don't have to literally hide themselves in clothing. There's also nothing wrong with legal gay marriage you homophobe. See, our society is accepting and tolerant of others including homosexuals. Unlike your society.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T19:09:03.0116029-05:00
@tajshar2k , Every non Muslim country?! China? Russia? Brazil? Latin America? African countries?... Your government dumps tones of grain into sea yearly and avoids to sell it to African poor countries. It shows how much your government care about human rights! Your navy ruined Iranian airplane with 290 passengers including 60 innocent children in a barbaric way and then it said "we thought it was a fighter!"
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:13:53.0873966-05:00
Yea, we give them more money in aid, than your entire GDP. Also regarding the warplane incident, it was an accident, and the U.S already paid the victims of the deceased money. Please, do not act like you are saints, Iran is already under watch for human rights violations along with Saudi Arabia and North Korea. The only thing that has prevented you from killing Americans is your incompetence.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:15:00.4916937-05:00
I understand why your like this. I truly regret what our country did to Iran in 1979, when it was a civilized and peaceful country. We made Iran into the state it is now.
58539672 says2015-07-02T19:15:03.4869513-05:00
@shalal12 The US is the largest provider of foreign aid to the African countries. We are also the largest providers of foreign aid to Palestine, China, Venezuela, and a host of other countries. We are the #1 givers in the world.
reece says2015-07-02T19:19:47.4533489-05:00
@shalal12 America won't stop because contractors profit off it. If they really wanted change they would be sending in peacekeepers and educators instead of leaving pandora's box open.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T19:21:52.0529450-05:00
@tajshar2k, An American defines "competence" in killing other people and an Iranian defines it in avoiding to kill. Yea with your definition we are incompetence people because we can't kill other people. Please tell me that you know nothing about electronics. Even a stupid eye can distinguish between an airplane and a fighter. USA did it to make us understand that it can harm us without caring anything. "Barbar"
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:28:49.3178536-05:00
You kill your own people for speaking out. So you do kill people. You killed 2 innocent gay men for being gay, and your the one to talk? This is why the whole world hates Islam, because of BS laws that so many countries put forward. I honestly feel bad for liberal muslims who are all against this, but countries like yours spoil the reputation of everybody. Groups like ISIS are more alike to countries like Iran. Are you from the military? Judging from that comment I think not. Those anti aircraft guns are automatic. They scan the skies to see what flies, and if it is enemy contact, they are supposed to fire. For some reason, the anti aircraft system was not working properly, and on top of that the operator wasn't careful in addressing the fighter plane as a war plane. So, the tragedy occurred.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:32:26.0050737-05:00
@reece NGO's like the Red Cross don't give aid to others because they want to profit from it. They genuinely care about people.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T19:33:07.6682238-05:00
@58539672 , Lets define a variable. X=(foreign aid/foreign ruining). Now USA is not the 1st of the world
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:35:17.8969292-05:00
Muslims love to blame America for its uncivilized practices. How about you people get a reality check, and tell your kids to stop joining ISIS?
reece says2015-07-02T19:35:45.5918390-05:00
@tajshar2k you didn't understand what i just said. I'm talking about sending in peacekeepers and educators... You know? Strategy.... Long term solution...
reece says2015-07-02T19:36:56.3430062-05:00
By contractors i meant military contractors...
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:37:16.2144760-05:00
So you think sending in educators to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan is a good idea? You should probably know, that those countries aren't really that safe. BTW, what exactly would you expect them to be educated on?
reece says2015-07-02T19:38:13.9571614-05:00
@tajshar2k that's why i said peacekeepers too... Do you know what they are?
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:39:05.1467031-05:00
@reece Well, I guess I kind of agree with you. We should start to focus a bit more on humanitarian needs. But it doesn't explain why other countries do not?
reece says2015-07-02T19:39:41.7495340-05:00
@tajshar2k They could educate them in all things...
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:40:09.6921449-05:00
Ya, there basically soldiers sent by the U.N on a so called "peace mission".
reece says2015-07-02T19:40:30.7077492-05:00
@tajshar2k America doesn't won't to stop.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:40:49.7889163-05:00
They could, the only problem is how long that session will last before they get shot.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:41:39.5094046-05:00
@reece What exactly has New Zealand done?
shalal12 says2015-07-02T19:41:47.9018818-05:00
@GarlicBred24, tajshar2k, ISIS fights with American weapons and it sells the oil of Iraq and Syria with American dollars. You cant find a single Shia Muslim in ISIS groups.In fact its Wahhabi and Salafi Muslims who join it. And I'm proud to inform you that USA and Israel are the main supporters of these two radical branches of Islam. You deserve to be blamed!
reece says2015-07-02T19:42:49.8296257-05:00
@tajshar2k peacekeepers are military personal equipped with weapons but tasked to deescalate conflict.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:43:53.4224491-05:00
All pictures I see with ISIS are them with Russian AK-47's.... Also, no sh*t, ISIS is a strict Sunni group, do you think they would allow Shia's? With your logic, I'm going to blame every muslims terrorist attack on you.
reece says2015-07-02T19:44:26.7164896-05:00
@GarlicBred24 We've been trying to stay out of that mess.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:45:28.4840779-05:00
And, why hasn't any other country done it then? Unless you can find a source that says the U.S made it illegal or something, the blame shouldn't just fall on us, but on everybody.
reece says2015-07-02T19:46:25.4210358-05:00
@tajshar2k It's hard to keep peace when America is the driving force...
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:46:30.0230063-05:00
But you tell us to send in peacekeepers and educators...
reece says2015-07-02T19:47:07.9775630-05:00
@GarlicBred24 yup.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:47:20.8494397-05:00
Well, you would never know that, because "You have been trying to stay out of that mess."
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:48:47.7355112-05:00
So your country is also responsible for the turmoil in the middle east, because you chose to do nothing.
reece says2015-07-02T19:50:35.5797989-05:00
@tajshar2k haha okay. Through out Americas history you guys have only not been at war for 17 years.
reece says2015-07-02T19:52:02.9758909-05:00
@GarlicBred24 We don't want to escalate the situation like the US has done.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:52:44.8724863-05:00
Nice try on changing the subject, but the fact is that no country ever puts effort into actually solving the problem. Its easy to point fingers at people. But okay, hobbits after all don't like big adventures.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:53:20.9131797-05:00
But you are, by doing nothing.
reece says2015-07-02T19:54:17.7656734-05:00
@GarlicBred24 Because the US has been f_cking around in there.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T19:55:04.6807760-05:00
@tajshar2k, so you were wrong to compare Iran with ISIS and garlic was also wrong to say that our children join ISIS. " AK-47" doesn't change the result of the battle however Tav anti tank missiles which are sold to terrorists by USA change the outcome of the battle. The advanced sensors never make such wrong decisions to attack an airplane. It's just a fabricated story to make you persuaded. I just wonder how you can believe these lies. It happens a lot. An Iraqi commander was angry that USA sent weapons to ISIS by an airplane. He also recorded that happening. American commanders said that they wanted to give it to Iraq army but wind took it to ISIS!!!
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:55:07.5512312-05:00
Thats our role in society. We are the world's policemen. If you think leaving the Arab world unchecked is a good idea, you're very wrong.
reece says2015-07-02T19:57:24.2323520-05:00
Again, peacekeepers and educators...
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:57:45.1367540-05:00
Doesn't work.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:57:59.9057471-05:00
You act nice with them, they take advantage of us.
reece says2015-07-02T19:58:04.7931320-05:00
Policeman are meant to deescalate situations.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T19:59:13.7776586-05:00
I thought you said to use peacekeepers and educators, why are you talking about policemen now?
reece says2015-07-02T19:59:38.5197344-05:00
@GarlicBred24 You're just appealing to consequences now. What do you think can be put in place to prevent that?
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T19:59:38.5564450-05:00
@shalal12 You have any proof of these accusations?
reece says2015-07-02T20:00:22.4189786-05:00
@GarlicBred24 because you're talking about the worlds policemen.
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:02:11.2545829-05:00
@shalal12 You are a bit misguided in where ISIS got the money and weapons. They money came from all the banks that they ransacked in the opening months of their conquest. The US dollar is essentially the reserve currency of the world, so most banks have large amounts of them. The weapons were confiscated from Iraq military bases who abandoned their weapons (they are downgraded versions of US hardware that we give to nations we don't necessarily trust) when they fled from ISIS. The US has not given ISIS any weapons or money.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:02:32.1978743-05:00
Definition of Police: the civil force of a national or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order. It doesn't say we have to deescalate the situation. Also, that is highly subjective, do you think Kurds felt like the situation escalated when we killed Saddam Hussein.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:03:28.1561504-05:00
@tajshar, http://afghanistan.Shafaqna.Com/the-news/item/40675-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D9%87%D9%85-%DA%A9%D9%85%DA%A9-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B4/%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B3%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D9%87%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7-%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82.Html
reece says2015-07-02T20:03:36.5959127-05:00
@GarlicBred24 Order, not chaos.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:04:21.5091764-05:00
Can anybody open that link? I can't for some reason.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:05:26.7496310-05:00
Thats subjective. Maybe in your eyes, its chaos, but in the eyes of Kurds it established order.
reece says2015-07-02T20:05:29.6011988-05:00
@tajshar2k Blank page.
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:05:32.3010508-05:00
@reece The UN peacekeepers have a very shaky track record when it comes to actually keeping peace. Normally murder and rape rates go up noticeably wherever they go. Plus when they need permission from the security council to attack offensively, they are often forced to sit back and watch atrocities happen.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:06:14.8921568-05:00
@shalal12, I can't open it. Perhaps you could take a screenshot?
reece says2015-07-02T20:06:53.5497002-05:00
@58539672 Is it worse than when america? I think now.
reece says2015-07-02T20:08:26.4650870-05:00
@GarlicBred24 To escalate something is to create chaos which america has been doing.
reece says2015-07-02T20:09:21.7566651-05:00
Where do you think ISIS arose from?
reece says2015-07-02T20:10:04.5909740-05:00
@58539672 Is it worse than America? I think not.* Sorry dyslexia.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:10:05.6297092-05:00
@58539672, USA can put hard sanctions on ISIS oil trade however it lets some freedom in trades because of so many reasons. I also don't mean the weapons which are confiscated or was abandoned with Iraq army. I'm talking about the weapons which USA sells to terrorists.
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:11:02.5446041-05:00
@reece Actually yes, it is worse than America. The US is at least able to react to certain situations whereas the UN peacekeepers need permission from the security council to do anything. Plus the US is actually well disciplined (rape, murder, pillaging, and the like are rarer among the US forces than the UN) and are actually good at reducing civilian casualties when compared to other nations.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:11:20.7053535-05:00
Again, thats subjective.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:15:02.4319016-05:00
You gave America the same vote as Saudi Arabia? Ok, I'll stop replying to you. Gotta stop feeding the troll.
reece says2015-07-02T20:15:17.0271000-05:00
@58539672 Are you being intellectually honest? You're including drone strikes and all?
reece says2015-07-02T20:18:01.2113396-05:00
@GarlicBred24 Read the comment underneath what you replied to.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:18:06.2871572-05:00
@tajshar, I took a screen shot however you can use google translate with a screen shot!
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:18:57.3987405-05:00
@shalal12 The US does not purchase oil from ISIS. In fact ISIS doesn't really have much of an oil trade at all. Most of their money now comes from extortion, hostage taking, and selling relicts/museum pieces on the black market. As for these weapons you are claiming of, the US has issued no caches to ISIS (it takes congresses approval to supply weapons to anyone, and that particular group has not been provided with any). We have given small arms to a few militia groups fighting ISIS, but that is about it. If ISIS killed them and took the weapons, I couldn't tell you. We also send humanitarian aid drops to some villages in ISIS's territory to help with starvation and medicine, so I guess ISIS could have stole those from the villages. But we have given them no weapons.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:20:59.3366922-05:00
Then send a link to the screenshot, so all of us can see.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:21:37.6394291-05:00
@garlic I stopped taking him seriously after a while.
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:23:26.5425244-05:00
@reece drones are actually the best weapons we have to avoid as much civilian casualties as possible. All of our other weapons are less precise and more likely to cause collateral damage. If we used another weapon (airstrikes, artillery, armored divisions, etc.) the casualty rating would be considerably higher and more infrastructure would be destroyed. People die in war, thats unavoidable. Our drones kill less than their would have been.
reece says2015-07-02T20:25:35.1176684-05:00
It's still better than peacekeepers?
reece says2015-07-02T20:27:05.6462093-05:00
Also the weapons that the US accidentally gives extremists when airdropping?
Midnight1131 says2015-07-02T20:27:30.6222896-05:00
Shalal12, I love how you accuse the US of "atrocities in the middle east," whereas the countries in the middle east don't even have decent freedom of speech laws, they're a barren wasteland of human rights. Compare how the middle eastern countries treat their citizens vs how America treats theirs.
reece says2015-07-02T20:29:16.1583191-05:00
@58539672 How about children born in conflict? How do you think they feel?
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:29:41.0407976-05:00
Reece, are you a troll that came from Moria?
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:30:53.9878004-05:00
@58539672 , ISIS gains 4 million dollars per day from selling oil. Also you know that your government sells weapons to terrorist groups and its exactly what I meant. However you claim that they are small groups fighting with ISIS. In fact I don't care. Terrorist is terrorist. Your government should NOT give them weapons! And about aids which were taken by ISIS from American planes; I really can't be optimist because USA army has a long experience in making such stories like "wind took it" or "automatic missiles attacked airplane as a fighter"
reece says2015-07-02T20:31:20.9632729-05:00
@58539672 Do you think they will grow up thinking the US is okay or grow up resenting it?
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:32:19.2987952-05:00
Iran hasn't done anything about ISIS, Iran is useless.
reece says2015-07-02T20:34:09.0305091-05:00
You trigger happy f_ckers.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:34:39.0016857-05:00
LOL okay.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T20:35:33.4205326-05:00
Don't worry reece, I'll nominate you for troll of the day. You deserved it.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:35:59.5352762-05:00
@Midnight1131, You know nothing about Middle East and especially Iran. How can I expect you to compare Iran with USA?!
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:36:49.4643956-05:00
Troll of the month sounds good to me :D
reece says2015-07-02T20:36:56.2973270-05:00
The best strategy for peace is education.
reece says2015-07-02T20:37:42.9784251-05:00
When you wanna put out a fire, you don't add more fire.
reece says2015-07-02T20:37:55.8184721-05:00
Out*
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:38:13.9480209-05:00
@reece The UN peacekeepers don't really use drones, so they would have to use the far less accurate methods that I listed earlier. I say would because the peacekeepers have never been in a conflict the size of which the US is used to. If you look at some of the conflicts that the US has been in that are on the scale of what the UN deals with (like Kuwait. Its not quite right but it is close enough) were an estimated 3000 were killed directly and 100,000 indirectly compared to the UN peacekeeping force in the Congo which has 860,000 directly and between 2.5-5 million indirectly killed. The peacekeepers would have never been capable of removing Saddam for example and even if they could, more would have died in the process.
shalal12 says2015-07-02T20:39:33.0565823-05:00
@GarlicBred24, Your saying shows how much your media cuts the news! It's because of Iran that Syria is still fighting with ISIS. You'd better check some true webpages instead of your TV and bias webpages!
reece says2015-07-02T20:41:15.5867155-05:00
@58539672 And now here is ISIS. How do you think this can stop?
Midnight1131 says2015-07-02T20:52:35.0372201-05:00
Yeah, so basically, Shalal12 said "Midnight knows nothing about the Middle East" therefore I'm right. Maybe he should put aside the ad hominem and actually try to show that the Middle East has decent human rights.
58539672 says2015-07-02T20:53:29.4198659-05:00
@reece The best way that I can describe the current situation in the middle east is... Its complicated. ISIS is currently fighting the Kurds, the Iraqi's, militia in Syria, and the Assad regime (that last one is important). We can't take out ISIS without giving the Assad regime control over Syria again (effectively making 3 years of civil war and 200,000 deaths pointless). We also can't take out Assad without giving ISIS control of the region. We are trying to support the Free Syrian Army (which is actually a conglomerate of militia groups. Some are moderates, but others are Islamic radicals and we can't tell the difference) to fight both Assad and ISIS. We want the Kurds to continue winning battles, but we can't give them any weapons for fear of angering Turkey (who we want more involved in fighting ISIS and Assad). Iraq is not strong enough to fight ISIS, so they need the help of both US airstrikes and Iranian militia groups (and we need both Iran and the US helping Iraq, even if neither will ever admit it). People need to start accepting the fact that their is NO QUICK FIX FOR THIS PROBLEM. The best we can do is get more middle eastern nations involved and help them fix the problem themselves as much as possible. Any other method just makes the citation messier.
GarlicBred24 says2015-07-02T20:55:47.3733188-05:00
@shalal12, So basically any website that agrees with your ideas, its real? Again, you still failed to give sources. My sources come from actual research and studies down by educated people, and not Fox News. I know you lied about your first link, because nobody was able to open it. Its just some random page.
reece says2015-07-02T20:56:06.7024592-05:00
@58539672 Yes, there is no quick fix. War is the faster and more destructive alternative.
reece says2015-07-02T20:58:42.6746599-05:00
@58539672 What will arise after ISIS? I'm guessing something even worse.
reece says2015-07-02T21:01:31.8769151-05:00
Children growing up in worsened conflicts isn't healthy.
58539672 says2015-07-02T21:01:34.8856016-05:00
@reece War is the only option. Just not the kind we've been doing the past decade. The US is involved whether people like it or not. We can't pull ourselves out of it. That would be the worst option available to us. As for what comes after them, its impossible to say. If we can get a stable government in the region (at this point Id even take someone like Saddam) then things will improve. If not, then you are right.
reece says2015-07-02T21:10:56.4808013-05:00
@58539672 I'm doubt it's going to change.
reece says2015-07-02T21:11:06.0905861-05:00
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SithKiller says2015-07-03T13:37:17.1801132-05:00
I support peace talks and education opportunities, because I do not like it when people hate each other. I'm sorry guys, but with Muslims, this isn't a viable option. I support our military to stop terrorism, because thats the only thing that can be done. Muslims do not understand peace.
shalal12 says2015-07-04T05:25:50.5721497-05:00
@58539672, Assad was chosen by 83% of Syrian people in an election. USA gives weapons to free army to weaken Assad's government (which is chosen by Syrian majority people). The rebels fighting in free army are not all Syrians!! They are from Che Chen, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia,Europe, Turkey... And jails of Syria (including thieves, murderers, rapers, spies, ...) and also some stupid brain washed Syrians which are basically Wahhabi and Salafi radical Muslims. USA, Israel and Turkey weaken Assad's military and Syrians can't fight with ISIS. In fact it's because of USA and Israel that ISIS took power in Syria. Don't you wanna respect Syrians rights?!!! When ever it comes to talking about human rights, Americans immediately stand up and talk about a woman who was hit in one of the villages of Middle East. However, when free army's soldiers rape and kill Syrians they are silent!!! Don't forget the fact that the soldiers who have joined Assad's Army are basically Syrian boys who are the owner of Syria and USA doesn't have right to weaken them.
shalal12 says2015-07-04T06:08:02.3760373-05:00
@SithKiller, Are you living on Plane Earth ?!!! " I support our military to stop terrorism, because thats the only thing that can be done. Muslims do not understand peace." USA understand peace?! You nuked Japan and you still support that barbaric action with stupid excuses! You have many nuclear bombs! You ruined Vietnam and your soldiers were all ordered to make Vietnam i women pregnant. As there were many women who became pregnant in order to change the generation! Your navy ruined Iranian airplane with 290 Iranians including 60 children on Persian Sea then it calimed that it looked like a fighter! It's some how like a silly joke when Americans talk about peace and human rights!!! Hundreds of nuclear bombs make your government an angel of peace.
58539672 says2015-07-04T11:13:02.8789537-05:00
@shalal12 A UN investigation found that Assad rigged both his 2000 and 2007 elections by excluding anyone against his regime from voting and by having his secret police monitor (and count) the results. In the 21st century, democracy has become so prevalent that even nations that don't practice it have to at least give lip service so they at least look good.
shalal12 says2015-07-04T12:34:28.9406516-05:00
@58539672 , I have had enough of hearing such lies about elections. Five years ago when Ahmadi nejad won the election of Iran for being president most western countries (especially USA) claimed that Ahmadi nejad had cheated in election. They claimed that his government excluded his main competitors. Also they claimed that Vezarate Keshvar didn't count the votes correctly. Your TV and Media said this and emphasized that Iranians are in streets to ask their rights about elections. USA backed Musavi and devoted a high amount of money to some stupid groups of Iranians to hit people and ruin cities. This is an old trick which we all fimilier with that! My friends and most of my relatives were protesting in streets in the first day but in the second day we all found that it's just a trap made by USA. You should respect our choices and votes (for both Iraninas and Syrians). We decide who cheated in the election not UN or any other American doll. Ahmadi nejad won the election with millions of extra votes and so did Assad.
58539672 says2015-07-04T15:54:17.9412493-05:00
@shala12 Most middle eastern nations have a bad history with elections. It would be better if you were like Saudi Arabia and being honest about your monarchies and dictatorships instead of trying to hide behind the geas of democracy. If you want to have a totalitarian regime in power, thats fine. Do your thing. But stop lying about it.
shalal12 says2015-07-04T19:06:32.4358181-05:00
@58539672, Any thing which benefits you is the truth and any thing which is not like what you want is lie. We vote and we decide and you are not the ones who are gonna decide our destiny. In fact it's rich Zionist lobby which makes your government and you have no choice in your government!
Midnight1131 says2015-07-04T21:13:47.4364713-05:00
Haha, Shalal, you say Americans have "no choice in their government," while you yourself live in a theocracy.
shalal12 says2015-07-05T09:17:48.8384425-05:00
@Midnight1131, Our government is based on our votes and our regime is Islamic that's why you say "Islamic republic of Iran".
triangle.128k says2015-07-05T09:37:59.9872614-05:00
Yeah, an Islamic theocracy. Why is it that countries with secular governments do better almost all the time? You wish to enforce Islam upon everybody without even questioning your religion.
58539672 says2015-07-05T12:11:55.2785138-05:00
In shalal12 defense, Iran is actually one of the few Islamic countries that tend to have honest elections (in recent years at least). But the Ayatollah and the other clerics still have so much power that it isn't a true democracy.
tajshar2k says2015-07-05T12:22:28.6737740-05:00
Shalal, North Korea has the word Democratic in its name, so I guess North Korea is democratic lol.
triangle.128k says2015-07-05T12:28:48.8950113-05:00
I personally wouldn't mind a dictatorship if the country can do well. Iran wouldn't be a good example though due to it's theocratic laws.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-05T12:31:24.8790079-05:00
Well shoot, did I miss the flamewar?!
58539672 says2015-07-05T12:57:28.8767010-05:00
@UtherPenguin You missed ALOT of different flame wars.
shalal12 says2015-07-05T18:11:29.5808552-05:00
@triangle, "...Why is it that countries with secular governments do better almost all the time? " do better at what?!Doing better at killing? Yeah USA did better when it nuked Japan. It also did better than Iran when it ordered its soldiers to make Vietnam women make pregnant by force (almost raping) to change the generation of a country. It also did better than Iran when attacked Iraq and your soldiers killed the whole family of a beautiful girl to rape her easily and they also killed her and burned the corpse so that no one can detect the fact. You are always doing better than us! Doing better at what?!! Economy or humanity? We respect our God and you insult your God. Is it doing better?!
tajshar2k says2015-07-05T18:13:23.1183830-05:00
@triangle Just ignore that guy. He is brainwashed to a point, he doesn't talk sense anymore.
shalal12 says2015-07-05T18:15:18.9631642-05:00
@tajshar, "About Me: I enjoy politics and debating other people. I'm Liberal, and I like guns. Which might be weird for some of you."... Crazy.Right?
shalal12 says2015-07-05T18:20:58.4229016-05:00
@58539672, You have no idea who Ayatollahs are and above all you don't know who Ayatollah Khamenei is. In fact it was he who ordered our military scientists to stop working on our missiles' distance. Our scientists tried to make missiles which can reach USA but he didn't let them saying " We have no problems with American people and we will never harm them. We only have problem with USA's government..". Even I wonder if you know how he was chosen to be leader.
triangle.128k says2015-07-05T18:36:48.4577467-05:00
@shalal12 You're literally repeating the same arguments which I debunked. Most of USA's government members are trying to ease relations between Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama has been helping to do that as well.
triangle.128k says2015-07-05T18:39:47.2950383-05:00
China has the fastest development and economic growth rate out of nearly all other countries. South Korea and Japan are first world countries which are one of the most developed Asian countries. Canada and European countries also are doing very well just for a few examples. Now look at your theocracies, that's more than enough to prove why Secular governments are more efficient.
triangle.128k says2015-07-05T18:40:30.5226383-05:00
Anyways, i'm done arguing with you. You're so brainwashed that you fail to talk any sense. You deny nearly all our arguments saying it's "media propaganda"
tajshar2k says2015-07-05T18:53:34.0813193-05:00
@shalal12 I'm trying my best not to swear at you. Me liking guns doesn't = I like to kill people. Meanwhile you think gay's should be stoned. Who's the crazy one now? You ripping on the U.S doesn't mean anything, because you failed to provide real statistics 100% of the time I asked you. I can also say Harry Potter flew on his broomstick and blew up the twin towers, doesn't mean it's true.
shalal12 says2015-07-06T11:01:36.6580048-05:00
@triangle.128k, All your effort was to say that secular governments are doing better at economy. And that was all you could say. In fact I care for humanity more than economy and the fact that USA and its allies had done many barbaric actions against humanity is undeniable (nuking, killing and raping ..). I finish the argument and I ask you to remember economy is for human and human is not for economy.
shalal12 says2015-07-06T11:10:36.6986156-05:00
@tajshar2k, Haha! Hey boy it's clear that "I like gun" doesn't mean that "I like killing". I was just kidding to try my chance for making you angry! Of course if you had sworn at me I wouldn't have blamed you because your movies are full of bad words and offensive sentences which make your culture. I wish you could watch an Iranian movie to understand that we never use such sayings and we don't ruin our movies with se*x and p*orn!!!
triangle.128k says2015-07-06T11:10:46.2011574-05:00
As if the torture, stonings and strict laws aren't crimes against humanity in the middle east.
triangle.128k says2015-07-06T11:11:27.5499943-05:00
You're repeating the same arguments even though I debunked them. Now if I say anything, you're going to say it's all "media propaganda."
triangle.128k says2015-07-06T11:12:24.8548967-05:00
" we don't ruin our movies with se*x and p*orn!!!" LOL, the middle east has the highest pornography consumption rates.
Forthelulz says2015-12-28T06:47:40.0509914Z
@reece You fail to understand Islam. If you ever see a wave of Islamic refugees, it is not a bunch of refugees. It is an invasion force. Do you see any Islamic countries taking in those refugees? No, they're running straight into the First World where they know that things like "charity" are that they can take advantage of. This band of refugees decided that they want a place with cities and first world facilities. What they got was a place in the middle of nowhere. What did they do? They refused to get off the bus. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/29/refugees-refusing-leave-bus-too-cold-sweden-removed If anything, they should be on their hands and knees thanking the people who took them in, but no, they need access to good stuff most of US don't get.
tajshar2k says2016-06-11T14:33:37.4654634Z
I missed when the polls used to work....
triangle.128k says2016-06-11T16:20:02.8710573Z
@tajshar2k They work now??

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