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Very Positive, it's a great country

23 votes
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Slightly positive

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Negative, it's a bad country

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Positive, it's a good country

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Terrible, it's a completely terrible country

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Slightly negative

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PetersSmith says2015-07-01T11:35:23.8409399-05:00
If you don't like America then you can gert out.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-01T11:35:36.8593119-05:00
'MERICA!!1111!!
UtherPenguin says2015-07-01T11:45:36.8912556-05:00
Government-wise I would put "Negative"
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T11:46:59.4115160-05:00
Hey, the government is getting better.
reece says2015-07-01T11:50:56.0056658-05:00
The US is nationalist for the same reason North Korea is. That's the only thing i'm comparing them to.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T11:51:28.3606880-05:00
How is the US nationalist?
reece says2015-07-01T11:54:06.3761267-05:00
@triangle.128k by nationalist i mean extreme forms of patriotism just to be clear.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T11:55:54.7046099-05:00
There's nothing wrong with a little patriotism. And not all Americans are necessarily overly patriotic.
reece says2015-07-01T11:57:34.1870616-05:00
What ever you say.
reece says2015-07-01T11:57:50.8657825-05:00
Whatever you say.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T11:59:27.1764354-05:00
I agree about some over-patriotic Americans though, but they're not really as common as you think.
reece says2015-07-01T12:01:28.1298218-05:00
@triangle.128k Would you agree most Americans think that the US is the greatest nation on earth?
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:03:07.2697283-05:00
@reece I don't see anything wrong with favoring your country over others, as long as if you acknowledge other countries may be good.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:04:34.4286044-05:00
@reece I don't like how you worded that, but i'm not sure. It probably is true, but the same thing can go for other countries like China or Australia for example.
reece says2015-07-01T12:08:33.6436046-05:00
@triangle.128k ergo that's why i compared America to North Korea. The people get blinded to realizing what needs to be fixed.
reece says2015-07-01T12:08:58.9264366-05:00
There is a reason why a lot of people are moving out of china. Australia is patriotic but not nationalist.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:09:52.0866597-05:00
Not really, most people I know acknowledge the faults of the USA. (War on drugs, imperial system, etc.)
Harper says2015-07-01T12:10:10.3098103-05:00
People who dislike America are folks who are holding it to an impossible standard of perfection. Other countries wouldn't be any better in its position. Refer to page 6, posts 171 and 172 on this forum for more elaboration: http://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/topic/69431/6/
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:11:18.4901220-05:00
And from what the education is like here, you aren't taught that the US is the greatest country in the world or anything. In social studies, you literally learn mostly everything bad the USA has done.
reece says2015-07-01T12:18:03.6317657-05:00
@Harper we wouldn't be in it's position in the first place. It's irrelevant to even say that.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-01T12:19:20.6054049-05:00
This flamewar is just glorious
reece says2015-07-01T12:19:25.8003048-05:00
@triangle.128k But most Americans thinks it's the greatest nation on earth anyway, right?
Harper says2015-07-01T12:19:56.8587431-05:00
@reece You do realize that by position, I meant as a world power, right?
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:19:58.6059767-05:00
@reece Most likely, but isn't that true for many other countries?
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:20:43.5660413-05:00
And like I said, there's nothing wrong with thinking your country is the best, as long as if you acknowledge there are other countries almost as good.
reece says2015-07-01T12:20:50.6173769-05:00
@triangle.128k nope. First world countries anyway.
UtherPenguin says2015-07-01T12:21:16.0586260-05:00
Fight! Fight! Fight!
reece says2015-07-01T12:22:10.8341195-05:00
Like i said the idea blinds the people from learning.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:23:52.2672701-05:00
The idea doesn't blind everyone from learning. Like I said, you are taught in school about all the mistakes the USA has made.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:24:34.9028900-05:00
And if somebody doesn't see their country as the best, why would they stay in their country?
reece says2015-07-01T12:25:58.8481043-05:00
@triangle.128k being taught in school about them doesn't stop people from being nationalists.
reece says2015-07-01T12:26:39.6106507-05:00
@triangle.128k So that it can become better....
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:27:45.7257596-05:00
'Nationalists' aren't really as common as you think. I can easily criticize one aspect about the USA here and most people would acknowledge what i'm saying could be true.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:28:52.8012217-05:00
Also, I think it depends on who an american is talking to. An american explaining the US to a foreigner would likely talk about it in a positive way. But, they would probably criticize the USA with other americans.
reece says2015-07-01T12:30:34.5366059-05:00
@triangle.128k acknowledge and taking action are two different things.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:32:15.4861472-05:00
Well you could protest or talk about it or whatever. However, a politician would have the most effect on taking action.
reece says2015-07-01T12:32:15.8633324-05:00
@triangle.128k irrelevant. It will always depend who you're talking to. It doesn't matter the subject.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:32:56.2933157-05:00
I mean if somebody really wants to take action against USA's political and economical issues or whatever, they would need to start a career in politics or economics.
reece says2015-07-01T12:33:14.1264588-05:00
@triangle.128k Yet look how corrupt they are.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:33:46.1706911-05:00
How is the US corrupt?
reece says2015-07-01T12:35:28.3994570-05:00
@triangle.128k The supreme courts decision that corporations are people too.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:36:22.2864864-05:00
What do you mean?
reece says2015-07-01T12:38:09.1741427-05:00
@triangle.128k It was ruled that corporations have the same rights as everyone else when it comes to voting. Money talks...
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:38:23.2164188-05:00
If the US were really that bad and corrupt, we wouldn't have the largest economy in the world (Unless China passed it), be the most powerful country, and etc.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:39:25.8828239-05:00
@reece What do you mean regarding voting? Corporations can't vote?
reece says2015-07-01T12:40:46.1151668-05:00
@triangle.128k people represent them. Yes it's true.
triangle.128k says2015-07-01T12:41:51.4886225-05:00
Sorry, i'm a little confused on what you're talking about.
reece says2015-07-01T12:47:13.0438088-05:00
@triangle.128k you know billionaires that represent corporation? Their legally able to bribe candidates when running for office by giving them money for advertisement, etc so that when their actually in office they can carry out what the corporations asked for.
reece says2015-07-01T12:50:06.4677636-05:00
Includes millionaires too...
shalal12 says2015-07-01T15:00:31.7600261-05:00
@ triangle.128k, How do you define a great country? Does gay marriage in the church satisfy you?
Midnight1131 says2015-07-01T15:38:03.3045242-05:00
Shalal, great country = world's wealthiest & most powerful, while at the same time having decent human rights [gay marriage falls into this category].
CannedBread says2015-07-01T15:40:53.7538015-05:00
@reece, that's called party contributions. Maybe before criticizing something you should learn a little about it.
reece says2015-07-01T15:44:05.5366915-05:00
@CannedBread Corporate bribery is considered corruption in first world countries.
reece says2015-07-01T15:52:22.2258416-05:00
It's on the same lines as when Corporations pay scientists to spout out bs Pseudo-science to deceive people.
Forthelulz says2015-07-01T15:54:21.5723453-05:00
I assume you're referring to the vaccination/autism thing. That guy was a fraud, and it was proven he was a fraud in great detail. If the science is false, it will be exposed as such in fairly short order.
reece says2015-07-01T15:56:07.9465823-05:00
@Forthelulz no, i'm just talking about it as an example.
Forthelulz says2015-07-01T15:59:21.0002948-05:00
Ah. I see.
CannedBread says2015-07-01T16:04:10.7524808-05:00
@reece, I hate arguing with people like you, it is so hard to get a point across. The closest description, might be stubborn.
reece says2015-07-01T16:12:04.9832477-05:00
@CannedBread So what was your point?
CannedBread says2015-07-01T16:14:49.3699247-05:00
@reece, when polititons accept bribes that is illegal, and they are found out and sent to jail. When they are given money by people who want to fund people's ads, and advertisement fees, it is generally because the person running has the same ideas as the contributor, because you want the person who supports your ideals to win. It would cost less and also it would be more efficient, than giving someone who has the opposite views as you to have your views. And if you have all that money, why don't you just run? Take the billionaire Donald Trump for example, he has no political experience, and hes running.
reece says2015-07-01T16:18:46.4589310-05:00
@CannedBread I've said the supreme court has ruled it legal...
CannedBread says2015-07-01T16:21:25.4527543-05:00
When? When did they ever make it legal? I want a date, a time, and an article on the legalization of it.
reece says2015-07-01T16:27:47.6067429-05:00
@CannedBread Corporate personhood is well known. Look it up yourself if you're that interested. I don't wanna debate for the sake of debating.
neoryan1 says2015-07-01T16:29:17.7698775-05:00
I put Very Positive only because it's better in relation to other countries. Overall it's neutral in my opinion
58539672 says2015-07-01T20:54:23.1424566-05:00
@reece The US is currently in 17th place as one of the least corrupt nations on the planet (and thats a little deceiving because we are in a 6 way tie for 11th). And you are a little misguided on how money effects voting in America. The direct bribery of a politician or any member of their staff is illegal and is treated as a very serious offense. What you are thinking of is when politicians get donations from individuals to help in their campaign. None of the money can go to the politician personally and the money is all willingly given. In fact the Democratic party actually gets more donations on an average congressional election than Republicans (most of it coming from small donations from poor and middle class Americans, not Corporations. Even the Republicans get more money from the people than from corporations)
reece says2015-07-01T21:04:00.4982998-05:00
@58539672 It's not corruption when it's legalized. http://www.debate.org/polls/do-you-support-a-constitutional-amendment-to-get-money-out-of-politics-and-do-you-think-it-is-possible-with-the-state-of-our-country-were-in
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T21:30:32.2081686-05:00
People who hate the U.S have literally no good reason. Except for maybe Iranians who we really screwed over.
58539672 says2015-07-01T21:38:30.3025385-05:00
@tajshar2k Agreed. Though I think that excess exposure to anti-american news, our recent wars, and simple jealousy have a lot to do with how some of them get these negative views. A lot of it also has to do with people forgetting everything the US has done for the world (like stopping communism).
58539672 says2015-07-01T21:41:18.5219748-05:00
@reece Im well aware of that poll, but that still doesn't nullify the point that you have ALOT of misconceptions about the US. Then again you are from all those green areas of non-America, so I can't really blame you for it.
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T21:43:22.5509826-05:00
@reece, I don't really see why you would think the U.S is a bad country. BTW, debate.Org is an American site just sayin... Along with a lot of other necessities.
reece says2015-07-01T21:47:28.8721219-05:00
Criticism doesn't = hate.
reece says2015-07-01T21:48:15.5558172-05:00
Which point? You had meany.
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T21:53:33.4899312-05:00
You said its a bad country.
reece says2015-07-01T21:58:42.1339055-05:00
Again, criticism doesn't = hate.
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T22:02:03.8077870-05:00
You could criticize any country with that logic, it doesn't explain why you think its a bad country. I never said you hated it.
reece says2015-07-01T22:03:52.9622439-05:00
I doubt that you weren't including me when you said "People who hate..."
reece says2015-07-01T22:05:10.0121256-05:00
Progress comes from criticism.
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T22:05:31.5561399-05:00
That was me just broadly telling all Anti--Americans that they dont really have a good reason to hate it. I posted a comment specifically adressing your comment.
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T22:07:06.8046169-05:00
You yet to explain why you think the U.S is a "bad" country.
reece says2015-07-01T22:08:28.3543398-05:00
@tajshar2k sure.
reece says2015-07-01T22:08:52.0074408-05:00
@tajshar2k then you're going to defend it?
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T22:10:03.7446209-05:00
Defend what?
reece says2015-07-01T22:11:40.4452813-05:00
@tajshar2k Defend the US from my criticism?
tajshar2k says2015-07-01T22:41:05.9423850-05:00
Well you haven't listed any criticism in the first place, you simply said its a bad country, so I'm wondering why its that bad for you to give it a negative outlook.
reece says2015-07-01T22:55:38.8570766-05:00
@tajshar2k The happiness level of it's people come about 15th in the world. That's pretty disappointing for a developed country.
58539672 says2015-07-02T00:22:47.9857723-05:00
@reece Of the 192 countries on the planet, 42 are classified as developed. That puts the US in the top 7% on the meter of happiness. And if your just counting the developed nations, that puts the US in the top 35%. I don't care what list it is, being anywhere near the top 20-30 is an accomplishment. And the US is consistently above that threshold.
Varrack says2015-07-02T00:37:47.9277056-05:00
There are really no good reasons to dislike the US. I think a lot of people are jealous of America tbh, lol
reece says2015-07-02T01:23:01.2247666-05:00
@58539672 If you say so.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-07-02T11:08:05.6443940-05:00
@Forthelulz I about died when I read your comment. I hope you were being sarcastic.
tajshar2k says2015-07-02T14:09:51.3341381-05:00
Its you who controls your happiness. If you always do drugs, and are a high school dropout, chances are you aren't going to be happy when you are an adult, and thats for any country. Even with something like fat people, just because a lot of them are fat, doesn't mean you have to be fat.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-07-02T14:14:42.3454365-05:00
This list doesnt make sense to me. I'd most certainly be a happier person in the Maldives than I ever would in any of those top 10. The factors for scoring sound too subjective.
Gareth_BM says2015-07-03T20:00:20.8136966-05:00
America as a major power effects anyone inside or outside it.
Gareth_BM says2015-07-03T20:01:31.9736656-05:00
That comment was a reply to PeterSmith's "If you don't like America then you can gert out"
Gareth_BM says2015-12-10T22:13:52.1502724Z
In general I like it but it has areas that need improving. For example it's too willing to make allies with less than nice people.

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