Pro Life supporters, should killing sperm be illegal?

Posted by: ChosenWolff

Edited the other poll

  • Yes, sperm has the potential to become human, like a fetus. It lacks reason, sentience, conscience, and instinct, like a fetus. Killing sperm should be illegal.

  • No, sperm has the potential to become a human, like a fetus. It lacks reason, sentience, conscience, and instinct, like a fetus, but for some reason its different

46% 6 votes
54% 7 votes
  • A sperm is, if anything, a clone of the guy since it has the exact same DNA. A zygote, on the other hand, has DNA that is the result of the combination of the father's and mother's DNA. The DNA of a zygote is unique unlike sperm making the zygote a separate person.

  • It has not yet joined with an egg to become a baby. So, since it is not a person, it is not a big deal, IMHO.

  • sperm is one cell and a man can make trillions in a life time

  • It has potential, but is not a human. Without meeting the egg it is highly improbable that you'll see sperm turn into a child.

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ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:06:10.4397991-05:00
A sperm cell is a living thing. Who is Prefernottobelabelled to say what can be defined as a human and what can't?
Geogeer says2014-07-20T19:22:59.0459950-05:00
Debate it or don't.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:23:52.2545837-05:00
I am debating it now
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:24:19.8353837-05:00
I mean, am I the only one who doesn't see the blatant hypocripsy?
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:28:07.7045837-05:00
I think you said the opposite of what you meant........
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:29:24.9557837-05:00
Nope. Sperm is a living thing, has the potential to become a human, and has a lack of sentience, instinct, reason, and conscience.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:30:31.1933837-05:00
You didn't mean to say "Am I the only one who sees the blatant hypocrisy?"
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:31:06.5553700-05:00
No, I did
Torbian says2014-07-20T19:45:44.7742585-05:00
I agree, if a pro-life stance ever takes an effect in this country (which it probably won't) then the truest form of life needs to be considered. I personally don't believe in abortion as means of birth control, but find no problem for a woman to decide if she was raped, was an incest pregnancy, or has pregnancy related health issues that are not able to be monitored (ie life threatening to herself). Many pro-life supporters argue that life begins at conception, while others refer to the fetus as a person when it can survive outside of the womb. If pro-lifers want to take the stance that it begins at conception because that is "when life begins", you open the door up to a slippery slope that sperm really is potential life. Now most pro-life supports I know have no problems using condoms and other non birth control pills forms of protection, but there are those few who despite having 20 kids take the Bible to heart in the form of one can only have sex with the goal in mind to have children. I say off with their head if they have ever masturbated.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:47:11.6995058-05:00
Chosen, that's what I thought. :)
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:47:41.1989167-05:00
I did mean to say that :/
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:48:13.2579139-05:00
Once again #Stopwhackingthejerky
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:48:49.6824777-05:00
Huh? Clueless here....
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:49:16.0151089-05:00
Your stance is so hypocritical mishappen
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:51:06.9984550-05:00
I'm going into my room, dimming the lights, and killing a couple million potential babies. And it's all on you.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:51:20.6271101-05:00
Chosen, all right. For argument's sake, let's say I'm hypocritical. Just curious, why does it matter to you? I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, and I'm not judging anyone. Why does it bother you if I have a different perspective?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:53:06.4585186-05:00
This is a debate site. Of course I'm going to point out inconsistencies in your arguments. Abortion is a real problem. Many people are trying to get it banned, or install massive control over the system. Changing the mind of one person is the most powerful thing you can do. Even if it's a ultra right fundamentalist.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T19:54:39.3497386-05:00
I invite you to try to change my mind, then. Please retain a respectful attitude, and I will be more willing to listen. :)
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:55:01.0341556-05:00
The deed is done. I buried the victims deep in a tissue, and flushed them individually down the toilet. It's all on you mishappen.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T19:56:02.7957433-05:00
Willing to listen? You ultra right fundamentalist fools wouldn't listen if god shouted it right in your face. "Fetus's aren't really human"
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T20:03:18.9957316-05:00
Chosen, 1. I don't know what you are talking about, and I'm not sure if I want to. 2. We have hardly ever talked or anything and you know next to nothing about me. I have given you an opportunity to show me something I might not have considered and change my viewpoint. Yet you have tried to insult me. That's not going to get very far. So, let's try again. Please give me something persuasive and polite for me to reconsider.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T20:07:53.8804355-05:00
Two conservative christians want to ban jacking off!?! Progress my comrades!
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T20:08:29.4885025-05:00
Fine mishappen. Why do you believe abortion should be illegal?
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T20:47:38.2540702-05:00
Because it is killing a person.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T20:48:02.8869439-05:00
Define person
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T20:48:52.7455027-05:00
A human being with basic rights.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T20:51:03.5540182-05:00
I asked you to define human. Do it.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T20:59:10.3301791-05:00
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to know the definition of person. Mea Culpa. A human is sentient being, with thoughts, feelings, and a body. This applies to all stages of development.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T21:00:32.0445505-05:00
You just lost this debate. A embryo doesn't have sentience, a body, or feeling.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T21:05:07.3430446-05:00
It does have a body. Not fully developed, but still there. What do you think the doctors are tearing apart and vacuuming up during an abortion?
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T21:05:29.8074766-05:00
They can also feel pain.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T21:06:04.8929022-05:00
Explain its sentience and feeling. You do know how things have feeling, right? Feeling is caused by sensitivity cells. Something a fetus doesn't have.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T21:13:02.2709022-05:00
See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX7goxsip6Y
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T21:15:08.1885991-05:00
Propaganda video. A fetus only feels pain 20 weeks into the pregnancy, and then it's illegal. How can something without tissue feel pain?
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T21:27:25.0464253-05:00
It feels pain in the 8th week (http://www.Abortionfacts.Com/facts/13)
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T21:28:20.6615176-05:00
This is what the Austrian government tried to argue. Only the Ultra Catholics believe in this. Most abortion laws are at 15 weeks.
mishapqueen says2014-07-20T21:37:33.8604505-05:00
Chosen, what do you want to accomplish? Do you really want me to be a better debater, or do you simply want to prove me wrong?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-20T23:27:53.4095007-05:00
I told you I want to prove you wrong. Stop associating yourself with the fools
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-07-20T23:34:53.4268081-05:00
Oh, the mass-murder that masturbation is? Meh, don't care.
mishapqueen says2014-07-21T01:29:14.1382862-05:00
Chosen, in your estimation, according to yourself, I already am one. :) I'm fine with that. You have no idea what you are talking about when you call me a fool. I know the truth of what I am. :) I'm not offended at all.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-07-21T02:13:04.3854596-05:00
Chosen is just trolling he ignored what I said in my poll answer completely.
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-07-21T06:45:13.6926154-05:00
PreferNotToBeLabeled: According to that logic, it is alright to kill one identical twin since it is just a clone of the other. Also, define person.
Preston says2014-07-21T07:33:12.4909168-05:00
Sperm doesn't have the potential to become a human, one an egg is inseminated it does, but sperm dies because it doesn't inseminate.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-07-21T13:18:29.0713328-05:00
@life, identical twins don't have the exact same DNA. They do have the closest DNA as possible without being clones. Unlike the adjective, identical, suggests they aren't completely identical. Go look it up and you'll know I'm right. Why should I have to go look up the definition of human when you can do it yourself?
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-07-21T13:19:16.2932957-05:00
Person*
Kreakin says2014-07-21T14:49:13.1039051-05:00
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irrate.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-07-21T17:57:11.2449960-05:00
Dude, I'm either Atheist or Agnostic. Your statement is invalid.

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