Russia and China vs. NATO. Who would be last man standing? Patriotism aside.Posted by: TheRussian
In a full out war (non-nuclear) between Russia and China vs. NATO, who would win? Put your patriotism aside. If you want, use this website to help you make your decision: http://www.globalfirepower.com/
Russia and China
holding their ground with the help of nukes. yeah i don't think NATO has the balls to invade either country with ground forces.
Because China is the rising world power...and China will not be fighting alone because Pakistan will be standing by China in any war...and Russia will be supported by India...so basically US and Nato, Israel Vs. China Russia India Pakistan North Korea Iran
Russia and China would win because with both of their powers combined all Russia has to do is invade all the NATO countries with China's support and then focus on the U.S.
Russia has the most powerful atomic bombs and the best jet (T-50) China has the most populist army in the world
I do not pick Russia and China nor do I choose the NATO alliance because a war between these two sides would be the end of the human race as we know it due to they both have advantages over one another NATO aka (USA) has a massive technological advantage along with more nuclear weapons when combined with its NATO allies but Russia and China have the advantage of numbers but the majority of Russian and Chinese troops are either ill trained or unexperienced compared to US troops who have been fighting wars for decades but a war between either side will involve the whole world because the US has many allies everywhere and this war will be short because the use of nuclear weapons will cause our destruction.
Russia&China because these countries have strong military furthermore russia is going to use what she has if will be on pressure and modern weapons are made in russia and china
Both Russia and China have many military equipments than the members of NATO. Also China has the biggest army in the world with a good GDP. Russia have no. 1 nuclear weapons in the world. So, I think they would win.
greediest nations the so called developed economy will do anything to get petroleum or natural resources.......US + Nato(blind followers) created Al-qaida ,taliban to fight Russia , now created ISIS to invade middle east nations.. they have to be termed as North Atlantic Christian Terrorist Organisation (NATCO) Russia nd China have power to do it nd other developing countries shud join defeat these evil forces .. let their greed end soon.. a peaceful world would prevail.
the nato is outdated oganisation it can stand against russia,chinaindiaand iran coalation.
Russia has strongest nuclear arsenal on the planet and China and Russia combined have biggest military on the planet. In the case of mentioned scenario west would face bigger economic crisis!
because i dont want to be slave of the american based bank cartels i dont to be deprived of the knowledge which i should know .....i dont want to be lied by media anymore ......i dont want to be a part of new world order
russia and china will win the war. because they have huge nmbr of modern solider with modern equipment. they both have advance technology which,nato & us have.
Russia and China cause The Us is evil
I think russia and china are clear winner since ... look at the size of the countries and the proud people. NATO consists of people who no more trust their governments and people running it.
most of american's are atheist people they believe in war and they proud to be their military power like nato and they creat riot all countries like syria and iraq because their god is lucifer look at them they permit homosexuality and worship illuminati..... may god destroy them i hope russia will win because their guard is lord all world know what they r doing bad they want made NEW WORLD ORDER
Ok. First of all, let's hope this never happens. Cuz yeah. I don't want nukes flying everywhere. But should this happen, it will he very difficult to tell which one is the clear winner. Russia has the largest nuke arsenal, but they probably are not gonna use it, neither will China or us nor NATO. So let's forget about nukes fora a sec here. Secondly, should this war take place, I assure you it will not be just China and Russia vs NATO The Pakistanis will definitely join China, and the Pakistanis hold huge geological strategical advantage. The Indians will back up Russia because everything they have is Russian made. The north Koreans will back up China, but they don't count. And heres the interesting part The UK might actually part with NATO and join the Chinese due to the fact that China simply invested took much money into the UK, way more than the US did, so UK might shift their loyalty. Next is Israel. Although the Americans have been on their side, will the Israelis shift loyalty like the Brits? No one expects the Mossad knows.... Many argue that NATO wins because of this carriers and satellites. Well you see the thing is... The Chinese and DF-21 missiles, which are intermediate range medium payload ballistic missiles carry a few tons of lead,thousands of them missiles will literally rain down lead onto NATO carrier groups, and yes the carriers and defense system, but out of the thousands of lead shells that rain down from space, howany can you shoot down? I wouldn't say that many. Next the Chinese got their anti satellite missiles they tested 1 year ago. They also got a few thousand if that. So should the war occur, NATO will most likely loose all satellite coverage overnight, and any carrier fleet that goes near China (5000km) will be destroyed. So that's like a fleet just reaching Hawaii is in range for those DF21 missiles. So by then, NATO just lost their only advantage, carrier fleet and satellite, over China and Russia. So now that both sides are only left with boots on the ground, its a fight based a numbers. The Chinese plus the Russians plus the Indians plus the Pakistanis got approximately 6 million soldiers active and 4 million reserves, so 10 million. While NATO got 5 million active and reserved combined, so unless NATO forces generate a 1 to 2 kill ratio, no way NATO can win Many argue that NATO forces are more experienced and better trained, well think of it like this. How well do you think Isis is trained? How well do you think Taliban or al-qaeda is trained? And how well do you think Vietnamese Cong was trained? U would say non if the above received even half of the training or equipments NATO forces have, but guess what? Farmers and Islamist with some crap Ak47 is yet to be defeated by the so called advanced NATO forces, because of one reason, those Vietnamese Cong or Taliban, have no fear of death, and when a man fear not his end,he is undefeatable. Not saying that the PLA or the Speznaz is like some Vietnamese Cong, they are more deadly. They are proper units whom received proper training and equipment, and do not fear death, so literally and upgrade of the Vietnamese Cong or some rebel in the middle East. So if the Americas can't even kill all the Vietnamese Cong, then why would they even think about defeating the PLA? So after all, in the end, it comes down to a comparison of man power. On day one of the war, both sides will loose satellite surveillance. On day 2, both sides will loose naval forces. And ond day three, it is sticks and stones. So the conclusion is, the Eastern based alliance is more likely to win.
I see that many say NATO wins is because if their technology and economy. But just saying, US alone owns the Chinese 19 trillion dollars. UK alone owns Chinese just under 1 trillion. And the US is literally using borrowed money on fuel her military. And I think if China and NATO goes to war, China won't be lending money by then. So what is the US gonna do? It won't have money to pay the soldiers. Won't have money to feed the soldiers. Wknt have money to repair or build new equipment, work have any for anything. Where as China has the cash to run the military. And more importantly, China has a mandatory draft protocol stating if Chinese sovereignty is compromise, all Chinese citizens must take arms and fend for the nation. Just saying, can you even imagine 1.5 billion people, man women, old and young with guns? That many people is just little hard to kill. The Japanese tried so hard with their chemical weapons and machine guns, and they had 8 years and they barely took out half. So what make NATO so strong when US is bankrupt and UK is empty out on cash, and they are facing 1.5 billion people with guns? I think the answer is pretty clear.
Just Russia alone have enough nukes to destroy NATO. But with the help of another world power, NATO stands no chance. You might argue that the US is stronger than Russia and China. But China and Russia also have allies including India, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, etc
combined mass of active and reserve personnel of china combined with the latest Russian "super nuke" SATAN 2 could wipe out areas the size of France and then swept up by the largest single country infantry force. hold off any territory through sheer numbers knowing any attacking force can be stopped by SATAN 2 strikes.
Well, what do i know about wars and innovations as an African? Nothing really. But i do know this : when an individual or a nation becomes mean, cruel, evil , deceptive, dark, horrid, low, abominable, then there are forces of nature...spiritual balances put in place to checkmate things. I'm a hapless , helpless Nigerian, having no power at all to make any difference. So i can't hurt america. But i do know that it is not russia or china that is killing people in iraq, afghanistan, libya,and many other countries. I do know that it is not russia and china that is using police to murder blacks publicly and in cold blood. I do know it is not russia and china that is going against God almighty directly by gay abominations. Actually i am sure of one thing: for any deed done on this earth , good or evil, a price must be paid. America has done a tremendous amount of evil. Oh, life ...kama...nature will give them the tab and they will pay in a way they cannot avoid. You can deceive some of the people all of the times and all the people some of the times, but you cannot deceive all of humanity all of the times. The u.s seems to think it is so smart with its lies. That everyone believes its garbage of lies, bloodletting , blackops and, red flag operations , eternal perpetuation of wars, creation of terrorist bodies like isis, taliban , boko haram et al. Summary most people you think are fools are not quite so foolish . The u.s has more enemies than you think quite simply because it is an evil nation calling for divine judgement. In a conflict, a lot more countries than you think would support russia and china. In a conflict, nuclear weapons and its use would be guarantteed... i assure you of this cause russia would have no choice than to resort to its trumcard. But i assure you that in a conflict, God's divine hand would be against the u.s . Plus the u.s underestimates the power of a hatred so strong it doesn't care to lose its life . People hate the u.s with a hatred that they under rate. This hatred has a power in the realm of the spirit that make strange things happen to the over confident. So the u.s will lose because God almighty is against them...cause they have been committing murders for too long!
Well, let me begin by saying that while NATO may have 29 countries, the majority of those nations (Hungary, Norway, Latvia, Estonia,Lithuania, Greece) rely on US equipment and protection while China Iran and North Korea do their own thing and aren't slaves who follow Russia's rule book. Most NATO nations, especially in Scandinavia and the Baltic, Israel etc. would be destroyed if the US abandoned them in the event of a Russian invasion of the Baltic or a Joint Syrian-Iranian-Hezbollah invasion of Israel. Some of you may argue that Russia is behind economically and russian military equipment is outdated, which is true. But A nation that had just industrialized just for the Germans to destroy their infastructure, while the US was across the atlantic, unscathed not having to deal with 1/3 of the Reichs manpower. Then rebuilding and having to keep up with the US during the Cold War is obviously a strain. So a examination of Russia's history explains why they may be behind the United States tech wise. (side note, Russia is STILL able to develop weapons like the T-14 Armata, an impressive and well trained air force, and has 4,500 nuclear weapons, and gotten over it's recession in 2017. So Russia is a survivor and really isn't that far behind the US, Russia is impressive) Secondly, it's hilarious how some of you ignorant, blind boomer NATO supporters call Russia "evil", Christianity has grown by 23% since the fall of the Soviet Union, and Russia has always been historically conservative, vs. The West which for 400 years enslaved africans and is a hotbed for liberalism, feminism, homosexuality, well you know where i'm going. The West is basically the Sodom and Gomorrah.
Russian and china couldn't fend all of NATO. That's like 30 or so countries and a good dozen are very powerful.
Really? Russia has litteraly NO chance. NATO and NATO affiliates crush the Russian military 100 times over. There is no realistic way Russia could compete militarily or economically with the west.
Russia couldn't win if they were only fighting the US. Now factor in all of the NATO nations and it's pretty obvious what the outcome would be.
The U.S. and Nato are way more equipped Putin is a coward he threatens with Nuclear weapons stand and fight like a man.
nato is 30 countries vs 2
They are out numbered and out gunned in every capacity, not to mention brains. The Russians think standing behind their nukes substantiates there moves. Be careful, we've done it before.
The fact of the matter is, with 28 separate countries, NATO is the clear winner. As well armed and large Russia and China are, they simply do not have the military strength to take down NATO in its entirety. I am assuming, of course, that all of NATO is involved in the war at once, and Russia and China are allies.
i vote nato for their unity as 1 (1 for all and all for 1) if enemy attacked 1 member of nato they attacked all of the members.
It will be a long and bloody war and might end up with the destruction of the world or major countries destroyed but i think Nato will win the war but again in cost of lives no clear winner
The countries that are in NATO have been working together and training for the next world war since NATO was created. With the tech advantages and carrier groups holding the choke points, I don't see how China and Russia could hope to defeat NATO. Plus the US armed forces has been in far more wars than China or Russia. That equals more experience. Those are just a few of the many reasons NATO would prevail.
The U.S.A has more aircraft carriers and weapons that we don't even know about so even know Russia and china allies will be more of infantry attacks but the us can put planes any were in the matter of minutes so if they do drop nukes hopefully everyone know that the us can shoot those down with no problem.
OK, we have to be realistic here, forget what you read and hear through the media, and just use logic. First and foremost the United States of America (US) has a military budget that is greater than all the countries on the planet' budgets combined! That should be your first clue who has more military strength. The US has more soldiers, double, triple and sometimes up to 10 times the equipment that Russia has. That is before we even discuss NATO. If a war starts there will be no winners as Putin will be faced with either cooperating with the New World Order or using nuclear weapons. Let us hope and pray that the Lord comes to us before choices like this have to be made.
1. Economics: The combined economies of the EU and the USA are THREE times larger than that of Russia and China combined. The US economy alone is much bigger than both Russia and China combined. Economically speaking, the Chinese and Russians have no chance. Both the US and the EU are also much more developed economies than China and Russia. China really is pulling all the economic weight in this fight. Russia is an economic non-factor because their economy is GARBAGE. Look up the numbers guys. 2. Military: The US spends TWICE as much as both Russia and China combined. The US has 10 aircraft carriers - China and Russia both have 1. The "nuclear arsenal" argument is irrelevant because because all these nations have enough nukes to destroy the entire world. A larger nuclear arsenal doesn't add any strategic advantage in this case. NOTICE: I haven't even included discussions of the EU armed forces here. America's military alone could contend with both China and Russia. In terms of numbers and statistics, NATO would overcome China and Russia without a doubt. Geo-politics: Let's not forget that another World War would undoubtedly involve more than NATO and Russia/China. All the Commonwealth countries would become involved. That means Australia and Canada join NATO forces. SinoPak (voting for Russia/China) incorrectly asserted that India would join Russia. This is a laughable idea, as that would align them with Pakistan, which would not happen in any case. SinoPak also seemed to overlook the EU forces which led to the ridiculous conclusion that Russia/China would win. To the Dissenters: I imagine it's difficult to see the truth when the state has so much control over the information you receive (speaking to the Russians and Chinese). That's why you hear silly facts called out like "Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal" (I addressed the irrelevance of this above) or "China has the largest army" (EU, US, and their allies have a much larger combined force than Russia, China, and their allies combined). Nobody can truly predict the outcome of this proposed conflict, but the statistics clearly point to a MASSIVE advantage for NATO over China and Russia.
each nation in nato individually are forces to be reckoned with such as Poland, Germany, France, Great Britain, and of course the united states
To much red tape and attempts at 'politically correct' with NATO. With Russia's highly advanced and surprisingly powerfull weapons and the fact they trust there military commanders to make judgement calls in the field dooms NATO. Just look at syria
I personally don't want any war to happen and if one does I sincerely hope it doesn't come to a nuclear scale but if I had to choose a side it would be NATO 1. NATO is comprised of big and smaller countries with some being close to Russia allowing us to deploy troops quickly that is both a pro and a con 2. Most likely if ALL of NATO went to war including USA NATO (could) be supported by USAs allies 3. Most countries in NATO has more of a high tech and well trained military. also Russias equipment is starting to get old ( cold war era ) and just because the Chinese has a larger military doesn't mean there properly trained. Also take this into thought USA spent 564 Billion in military defense in 2015 alone compare this to China's 215 billion and in third place Saudi Arabia with only 84.2 billion
NATO has Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States. [Most likely South Korea, [Philippines, Japan, Israel, and Baltic States would probably be with NATO] Then Russia and China [and maybe North Korea] That is a victory for NATO.
I have never heard so much nonsense from user Frederic. He stated that the UK to go against America and back maybe china. Never heard as much nonsense in a long time. America would have Germany Poland France U.K. Etc. The shooting down of the Russian aircraft from turkey proved that Russia and Co don't really want to mess with NATO. Although China have worlds biggest military, they are not trained as good as America GB etc. He claims you don't have to be well trained, Isis proves this. You don't Evan have to be well armed. Firstly, America invented Isis, trained them, armed them. There one of the richest gangs/groups in the world. So there not using crap weapons. Before posting made up stuff, maybe know about what your talking about. NATO are powerful, but would not want to go to war with Russia and co and vise-versa. If this did ever happen. Close call but NATO wins. Its actually closer than its ever been. But I say again. U.K. Would never turn on America for China. That's just shit talk
In my opinion there will be a lot of blood shed, but overall it comes down to innovations and strategy. Which I believe China and Russia don't have the raw materials to take down US let alone all of Nato. Also depends whether nukes would be used, If one side launches a nuke the other side won't be far behind
First, USA IS #1 in the world, and France, Italy, Britain, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries, most of which are in the EU and/or Nato, arena the top 15 countries
First off, I think after reading so many comments from the Russian Federation that are misinformed people. Do you all seriously think if it came to this Russia would prevail? I do not know where your source originate, but you're all fooled. Also, its a lie that Americans hate Russians, just like the lie the US Dollar is failing. Wake up Russia! Putin is fooling you!
Not only is NATO one of the strongest alliances out there it has over 29 countries involved and they are almost all nuclear countries also and in nato if anyone of the countries inside the alliance of nato if one country is attacked all of the countries are attacked and i know im right when i say China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea will not have enough of everything compared to NATO
With the United States, The Uk, France, India and Israel having more nukes then Russia and China, North Korea and Pakistan combined, plus greater air and sea forces, the New Axis of Evil would be defeated!
Europe is powerful enough to stalemate russia and the entirety of the US military could smash russian forces into the dirt. it may seem like the us is weak against groups like ISIS but thats only because it is fighting an unconventional war with diplomatic restrictions on its military forces. if it came down to conventional warfare the USA and europe would be able to smash Russia into the dirt and the USA's allies in the pacific could keep china under wraps for a while until russia falls.