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Yes with no restrictions

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Yes, but ONLY in cases of rape, and if the mother's life is in danger, and both parents consent....

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No, it shouldn't be legal under any circumstance.

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Yes, but not if its late term abortion

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MasturDbtor says2013-09-03T14:53:55.1526220-05:00
There aren't enough options. A person may only support it when the mother's life is in danger without supporting it in cases of rape, and they may support either or both conditions without requiring both parents to consent. Or a person could support allowing it in the case that both parents consent but then allowed under all circumstances.
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:00:04.0712167-05:00
There's no easy way, there is no right or wrong. One thing I have noticed...If you call abortion legal murder but do not say the same for capital punishment - I find that hypocritical.
Solomon_Orlando says2013-09-03T15:01:23.4488014-05:00
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, not a baby. Personhood at conception is not a proven biological fact.
Mikal says2013-09-03T15:02:15.6714329-05:00
No easy way to vote for this. I think if we extend the courtesy up until the second tri-mester at that point we are acknowledging the fetus does not have rights. So it must be extended all the way through birth. Especially in cases where the mother could die.
imabench says2013-09-03T15:03:07.5821944-05:00
There are 50 different stances on abortion rights, I just picked the four most prominent ones and went with that :P
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:05:27.3368042-05:00
Solomon_orlando. If you really believe that, than challenge me.
Mikal says2013-09-03T15:09:12.4995571-05:00
I could see someone taking the stance of no, but in no circumstances is kind of a huge step to take. That is not even considering if the mother could die.
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:17:00.0395743-05:00
I don't believe even the Mothers life comes before the Child.
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:17:28.9004307-05:00
So your life lessens in value after you're born?
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:23:27.7114374-05:00
Not after born, but yes. It lessens in comparison to younger people. Thats why if a ship is sinking, the children get on lifeboats first. It also lessens in comparison to relationship.
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:24:44.0594155-05:00
So...There should be no controversy with euthanasia! I mean, they're all really old...
Mikal says2013-09-03T15:26:45.9145194-05:00
I mean if it were me My wife would, but that is a choice I think I should be extended. If I have been with my wife for ten years, love her and care for her. If it comes down between picking her or a fetus/ possibly child that I have never seen, I would always pick the wife. If the government told me I was not allowed to do that, I would hate that kid for the rest of my life because I would associate it with killing my wife.
Mikal says2013-09-03T15:26:45.9905787-05:00
I mean if it were me My wife would, but that is a choice I think I should be extended. If I have been with my wife for ten years, love her and care for her. If it comes down between picking her or a fetus/ possibly child that I have never seen, I would always pick the wife. If the government told me I was not allowed to do that, I would hate that kid for the rest of my life because I would associate it with killing my wife.
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:27:36.9720323-05:00
Good point, Mikal. Safety for the child!
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:28:16.2564358-05:00
Mystic. Such misrepresentation of an argument. Lesser Value =/= No Value.
MasturDbtor says2013-09-03T15:30:50.3415866-05:00
@ Mikal I'm pro-choice but the kid didn't make the decision. Under the scenario you stated it would make more sense to hate the government not the kid who had no say in the matter.
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:37:04.3278020-05:00
You know half of women killed in Childbirth was killed by the Doctor's lacking responsibility. And as for the other half, that's highly based on opinion. It's questionable how many men would feel the same, most may even care for the child more. It's dependent on the Father. But if you really hated that child, you'd give it to a family that didn't hate it. Since the emotions are personal to you, it'd be on you, not the child, to face the responsibility of those emotions.
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:39:14.1018357-05:00
Master, I completely agree.
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:50:48.9859986-05:00
I know I misinterpreted it...Just shaking things up! ;)
donald.keller says2013-09-03T15:51:16.5584581-05:00
;D haha!
MysticEgg says2013-09-03T15:56:08.2149375-05:00
Although I would say that human life is all equal...I don't think it lessens in value. However, I will be pro-choice because a developing child (until a certain point - can't remember exactly) cannot feel pain and doesn't have a conscious. So it wouldn't do harm to the child. Whereas, forcing a parent to go through with an "unwanted burden" so to speak would cause immense harm. Rape as an example. Not to say that having an abortion doesn't hurt the parent, but that would be their choice, unlike pro-life.
Mikal says2013-09-03T18:24:32.8329160-05:00
@Mastur I'm just saying how it would work physiologically. That is just classic Freudian. Whether or not you would want to, you would always link that child to your wife dying. @Donald Either way it goes you would have to gauge the value of a life. You are taking one life so that another may live. The question is how do you gauge it. That is entirely based on perspective. You are saying it should be based on age. The younger should have the chance to live, but this is just your opinion. I would not dare tell someone that they had to chose their wife over the kid. That is up to the wife and the farther, that courtesy is theirs to chose though.
donald.keller says2013-09-03T19:19:46.9465482-05:00
Ultimately, when picking a life, one is above the other. We understand that one life will be more important than the other. We can't ignore it because we don't know which one it is. We have to decide completely, or risk wrongful deaths each year. Simply letting the Mother decide isn't okay either. Even the mother doesn't have the right to assess her child's worth.
Mikal says2013-09-03T19:27:17.0810022-05:00
Neither does anyone else have the right to access the worth of the life of the mother. That is what I mean, no matter how you argue this, it is entirely up to the family. If you are going to gauge it, you have to admit it is dependent on that situation. Since you perspective isn't objectively the truth, and neither is mine, we can only let the family decide in that scenario. That would be like me saying, the mother is worth more than the child. We should pass a federal law that aborts all children whom are threatening her life. I would not dare propose that. That is case with what you are proposing though. While you may see your view on how life should be gauged as correct, not everyone sees or feels the same way. You are comparing a human life to just a life. Anyone can acknowledge the fetus is a life itself, that is obvious. The one thing science or no one has been able to do is show whether it bears the traits of a human. Such as conscious, pain, feeling, emotion. While I would not advocate abortion in every scenario, we can not try to place an objective rule in situations like this. We already give people the right to indirectly kill people whom are suffering from terminal illness, this is almost the same thing except no matter whom you chose a life will be saved. In both cases, that remains the choice of the family.
Mikal says2013-09-03T19:27:17.5461738-05:00
Neither does anyone else have the right to access the worth of the life of the mother. That is what I mean, no matter how you argue this, it is entirely up to the family. If you are going to gauge it, you have to admit it is dependent on that situation. Since you perspective isn't objectively the truth, and neither is mine, we can only let the family decide in that scenario. That would be like me saying, the mother is worth more than the child. We should pass a federal law that aborts all children whom are threatening her life. I would not dare propose that. That is case with what you are proposing though. While you may see your view on how life should be gauged as correct, not everyone sees or feels the same way. You are comparing a human life to just a life. Anyone can acknowledge the fetus is a life itself, that is obvious. The one thing science or no one has been able to do is show whether it bears the traits of a human. Such as conscious, pain, feeling, emotion. While I would not advocate abortion in every scenario, we can not try to place an objective rule in situations like this. We already give people the right to indirectly kill people whom are suffering from terminal illness, this is almost the same thing except no matter whom you chose a life will be saved. In both cases, that remains the choice of the family.
Mikal says2013-09-03T19:27:18.3261888-05:00
Neither does anyone else have the right to access the worth of the life of the mother. That is what I mean, no matter how you argue this, it is entirely up to the family. If you are going to gauge it, you have to admit it is dependent on that situation. Since you perspective isn't objectively the truth, and neither is mine, we can only let the family decide in that scenario. That would be like me saying, the mother is worth more than the child. We should pass a federal law that aborts all children whom are threatening her life. I would not dare propose that. That is case with what you are proposing though. While you may see your view on how life should be gauged as correct, not everyone sees or feels the same way. You are comparing a human life to just a life. Anyone can acknowledge the fetus is a life itself, that is obvious. The one thing science or no one has been able to do is show whether it bears the traits of a human. Such as conscious, pain, feeling, emotion. While I would not advocate abortion in every scenario, we can not try to place an objective rule in situations like this. We already give people the right to indirectly kill people whom are suffering from terminal illness, this is almost the same thing except no matter whom you chose a life will be saved. In both cases, that remains the choice of the family.
MasturDbtor says2013-09-03T21:05:18.7104266-05:00
@ Mikal Maybe subconsciously but I don't let my subconscious define me. I prefer to control my emotions. My subconscious is something I deal with, not me.
donald.keller says2013-09-11T14:08:01.1610609-05:00
I see a lot of idiots I want to debate in the Yes No Restrictions vote. Not because of their vote, but because of their idiotic comments.
TheEnergyHippo says2013-09-15T10:26:08.3735851-05:00
No ur an idiot ;c
mirsad11 says2013-09-21T15:05:15.8840701-05:00
Wow this is honestly not the right way to go about things. First of all the united states is a country with very different people. I mean in everyway, so there shouldn't be someone telling another person you cant get an abortion. Just because that's there belief it doesn't make it someone else's. If you don't like abortion than never do it yourself, but don't go telling other people what to do just because of your own personal belief. Yeah in your eyes that is murder, but it isn't in someone else's. Does it make it right no but it also does not make it wrong. Its simply the freedom of an individual.
MasturDbtor says2013-09-23T15:40:27.4644560-05:00
@ mirsad11 What if it was my personal opinion that killing a newborn baby to eat for lunch wasn't murder? That would make that my "personal belief". Would you support my freedom to infanticide and infant cannibalism?
Bk1303 says2013-11-02T00:39:19.0593780-05:00
The mother is not a mother until birth. The "soon to be mother" should have the right to choose weather to terminate the pregnancy. Heartbeat starts around 10 weeks. Define living person? Early on they should have the right to do with as they wish with THEIR body. Until that baby is born it is physically inside the women and part of HER it is not an individual.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-05T13:03:37.2281486-06:00
Energy Hippo: what she doe with her life is fine if it doesn't affect someone else's. An abortion affect at least two people. Would you say that murder should be legal because people should be able to do what they want with their own lives?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-05T13:03:43.3222821-06:00
Energy Hippo: what she doe with her life is fine if it doesn't affect someone else's. An abortion affect at least two people. Would you say that murder should be legal because people should be able to do what they want with their own lives?
MasturDbtor says2013-11-05T17:19:32.6427326-06:00
I'd like to point out I am pro-choice. But the argument that we're different people with different beliefs therefore abortion should be legal is not well thought out.
MasturDbtor says2013-11-05T17:19:38.2613506-06:00
I'd like to point out I am pro-choice. But the argument that we're different people with different beliefs therefore abortion should be legal is not well thought out.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-05T17:54:48.2860140-06:00
If you're referring to my comment, you misunderstood it.
Jingram994 says2013-11-05T21:18:43.4807530-06:00
A human fetus, before 26 weeks, is not 'a life' the same way a grown, developed to-the-point-of-brain-function human is 'a life'. Cellular life with human DNA is not 'a person'. Abortion does not affect 'at least two people', as a fetus is simply not a 'person' until at least 26 weeks, any more than a brain-dead corpse is still 'a person' in any real, meaningful sense.
Jingram994 says2013-11-05T21:59:14.0771022-06:00
A human fetus, before 26 weeks, is not 'a life' the same way a grown, developed to-the-point-of-brain-function human is 'a life'. Cellular life with human DNA is not 'a person'. Abortion does not affect 'at least two people', as a fetus is simply not a 'person' until at least 26 weeks, any more than a brain dead body is still 'a person' in any real, meaningful sense. Cellular life with human DNA is not the same thing as actually 'being alive' as a 'person'. A brain dead body is still 'alive' on a cellular level, and it's DNA is still exactly the same as it was before it 'died'.
laurenn says2013-11-09T22:46:30.5143846-06:00
Abortion is selfish and anyone who does it should be out in prison. It's jut like murder, it's a crime.
laurenn says2013-11-09T22:46:39.6092429-06:00
Abortion is selfish and anyone who does it should be out in prison. It's jut like murder, it's a crime.
laurenn says2013-11-09T22:47:30.7775709-06:00
Oops. Typos :o
Jingram994 says2013-11-09T22:51:59.8318529-06:00
How is it 'like murder'? No person has been killed. And 'potential' to be a person doesn't matter; if it did, then male masturbation and the natural human menstrual cycle would also be 'murder'.
DanT says2013-11-10T10:31:33.9610840-06:00
@Jingram994 a sperm or egg is not the same as a fetus. A sperm or egg alone cannot mature and develop. Sperm and Eggs will die if they do not merge; the location of the sperm and egg at the point of their death is irrelevant to this fact. Furthermore, by what standard are you claiming a fetus is "not a person" but rather a "potential person"? Even after birth a human is not fully developed. It takes decades after birth for a human-being to fully develop.
DanT says2013-11-10T10:31:34.1229307-06:00
@Jingram994 a sperm or egg is not the same as a fetus. A sperm or egg alone cannot mature and develop. Sperm and Eggs will die if they do not merge; the location of the sperm and egg at the point of their death is irrelevant to this fact. Furthermore, by what standard are you claiming a fetus is "not a person" but rather a "potential person"? Even after birth a human is not fully developed. It takes decades after birth for a human-being to fully develop.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-10T13:27:42.3465617-06:00
Well said.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-10T13:27:49.4289617-06:00
Well said.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-10T13:27:57.3069617-06:00
Well said.
Jingram994 says2013-11-10T21:01:13.8801242-06:00
That only means that the 'correct' environment required for a sperm cell or unfertilized egg to potentially 'grow to become a person' also requires the presence of the other, on top of all the nutrients an embryo needs. Their 'potential' isn't qualitatively different to that of a fertilized egg, or indeed a complex but not fully formed embryo. And the standard I am using is 'consciousness, self-awareness and capability for rational thought'; ie. 'person-hood'. A human with higher brain function has all of those by definition, barring enormous physical damage to their brain or extreme, life threatening genetic/medical conditions. If your higher brain is absolutely lacking in function, then you simply are not a person anymore; you aren't 'you' the same way you were when you still had that function. This is why 'brain death' is the legal quantifier for 'actual death'. A human doesn't require full growth/development to have higher brain function, and the specific 'level' of brain function isn't really relevant; an absolute idiot with no complex reasoning skills is still just as much a 'person' as is a mathematical supra-genius. A fetus before 26 weeks absolutely lacks higher brain functioning, or the physical ability for such; calling it a person is literally incorrect.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T19:13:16.0966255-06:00
Seriously, how could you prove rape?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T19:13:23.0081725-06:00
Seriously, how could you prove rape?
retroman000 says2013-11-11T20:03:20.2097632-06:00
"A sperm or egg alone cannot mature and develop. Sperm and Eggs will die if they do not merge" A fetus cannot develop and mature alone either, it requires a woman to carry it. "Even after birth a human is not fully developed." Yes, but fetus' have no higher thought function, ability to feel pain, etc... Until months into the pregnancy. Let me ask: Would you consider a medical vegetable who has been in a comatose state for years to be a person?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T20:29:18.4803179-06:00
Yes.
retroman000 says2013-11-11T21:33:45.0706866-06:00
Why is that? Can they show any kind of motor skills? Can they even think? No, they can't.
retroman000 says2013-11-11T21:33:50.5138606-06:00
Why is that? Can they show any kind of motor skills? Can they even think? No, they can't.
retroman000 says2013-11-11T21:34:20.3096696-06:00
Lovely, double comments.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T21:41:22.2034315-06:00
I assume that your defining human here as "has the right to live and be respected and protected by laws that apply to all humans". If so, would you give up the right to live if I removed your limbs, mouth, and eyes? What if I hit you in the head and you lost sanity? Some people lose sanity by choice, do they lose the right to live? I'm lovelier: I got triple comments! (Actually, I've gotten up to thirteen)
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T21:41:29.5819950-06:00
I assume that your defining human here as "has the right to live and be respected and protected by laws that apply to all humans". If so, would you give up the right to live if I removed your limbs, mouth, and eyes? What if I hit you in the head and you lost sanity? Some people lose sanity by choice, do they lose the right to live? I'm lovelier: I got triple comments! (Actually, I've gotten up to thirteen)
retroman000 says2013-11-11T21:58:05.4442149-06:00
There's a difference between "human" and "person". Yes, medical vegetables are humans, but they are not people. Having no eyes, mouth, or limbs would still constitute you as a person, and so would being insane as either way you still have higher brain functions. "(Actually, I've gotten up to thirteen)" That sounds abhorrent.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T22:02:13.1494769-06:00
I was testing the extremes of the bug. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're answering "yes" to the very same question that I did.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T22:02:24.1475474-06:00
I was testing the extremes of the bug. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're answering "yes" to the very same question that I did.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-11T22:02:31.4171940-06:00
I was testing the extremes of the bug. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're answering "yes" to the very same question that I did.
retroman000 says2013-11-11T22:13:28.8671450-06:00
I asked if medical vegetables are people, and you said yes. I simply stated they are humans, which are again two different things.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-12T09:14:59.3372378-06:00
I believe that any human should be treated as a person, even if that person doesn't deserve it, we don't have much to lose.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-12T09:15:32.9622881-06:00
And may have much to gain.
retroman000 says2013-11-12T23:48:59.6288000-06:00
Well, the woman loses bodily autonomy, that's certainly a lot.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-13T10:52:59.1357603-06:00
Which risk is better; risk of misery and discomfort, or risk of murder? The consequences of you being wrong are much greater than the consequences of me being wrong. If "medical vegetables" are not people, then where would you draw the line? The differences between a baby and an adult are: location, physical development, and mental development. We can probably agree on ruling out location as a standard for personality. Physical and mental development occur gradually, not suddenly, and sometimes cease altogether prematurely. People's bodies and brains degrade as well. To say that babies aren't people is to draw a very fine and complex line.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-13T10:53:08.8701603-06:00
Which risk is better; risk of misery and discomfort, or risk of murder? The consequences of you being wrong are much greater than the consequences of me being wrong. If "medical vegetables" are not people, then where would you draw the line? The differences between a baby and an adult are: location, physical development, and mental development. We can probably agree on ruling out location as a standard for personality. Physical and mental development occur gradually, not suddenly, and sometimes cease altogether prematurely. People's bodies and brains degrade as well. To say that babies aren't people is to draw a very fine and complex line.
MasturDbtor says2013-11-13T14:37:56.9937921-06:00
@ abyteofbrain I am pro-choice But I believe that fetuses are people. But it's the same as if you had invited a homeless man into your house and wanted to kick him out but given the circumstances you knew kicking him out would mean his death. It's still your property you still have the right to kick him out. If one's home is so personal that one may kick a person out to their death and not be guilty of murder certainly the same should hold for kicking a person out of one's body. As to "medical vegetables" they are people, but we need to respect people's rights to make their own decisions. If someone has an advanced directive that expresses their wishes and doesn't want to go on living like that we should respect that decision. They should expand the applicability of advanced directives. I would prefer they give me a massive dose of morphine rather than make me suffer with Alzheimer's if that were to ever happen. I would not want to live like that. My intelligence is too key to who I am. You pro-lifers want to force people to live in misery against their will.
MasturDbtor says2013-11-13T14:38:06.5166851-06:00
@ abyteofbrain I am pro-choice But I believe that fetuses are people. But it's the same as if you had invited a homeless man into your house and wanted to kick him out but given the circumstances you knew kicking him out would mean his death. It's still your property you still have the right to kick him out. If one's home is so personal that one may kick a person out to their death and not be guilty of murder certainly the same should hold for kicking a person out of one's body. As to "medical vegetables" they are people, but we need to respect people's rights to make their own decisions. If someone has an advanced directive that expresses their wishes and doesn't want to go on living like that we should respect that decision. They should expand the applicability of advanced directives. I would prefer they give me a massive dose of morphine rather than make me suffer with Alzheimer's if that were to ever happen. I would not want to live like that. My intelligence is too key to who I am. You pro-lifers want to force people to live in misery against their will.
retroman000 says2013-11-13T17:17:25.5722310-06:00
"The consequences of you being wrong are much greater than the consequences of me being wrong." Yes, in your opinion. We could either remove a clump of cells from this women's body, or we can force her to go through the nine-month long ordeal that is pregnancy, along with the short-term, long-term, and permanent aftereffects. "Physical and mental development occur gradually, not suddenly, and sometimes cease altogether prematurely. People's bodies and brains degrade as well. To say that babies aren't people is to draw a very fine and complex line." Which is why this is a complex issue. And even though it is a gradual development, a line still can be (and needs to be) drawn. The thalamus and its nervous connections aren't formed until at least 24 weeks, and less than 1% of abortions occur at this point. As well, this may sound nit-picky, but I never said babies aren't people, early development fetus' aren't.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-13T21:57:30.3418601-06:00
MasturDbtor: I'm glad that you agree about humans being persons at all stages. Do you still think that woman has the right to kill someone else, for her own foolishness? By having sex in any condition, she consents to have a baby. To expect otherwise is stupidity. Technically, to for one person to kill another is murder, do you think the definition or punishment for murder should change?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-13T21:57:36.8938601-06:00
MasturDbtor: I'm glad that you agree about humans being persons at all stages. Do you still think that woman has the right to kill someone else, for her own foolishness? By having sex in any condition, she consents to have a baby. To expect otherwise is stupidity. Technically, to for one person to kill another is murder, do you think the definition or punishment for murder should change?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-13T22:05:04.0375682-06:00
Retroman000: I meant fetuses when I said babies. So out of curiosity, where do you think the line should be drawn? Hypothetically, if a human ceases to mature beyond birth, and shows little intellect, would it be a person?
retroman000 says2013-11-14T16:28:04.9708182-06:00
"So out of curiosity, where do you think the line should be drawn?" The point it's at now is fine, 20-26 weeks. "Hypothetically, if a human ceases to mature beyond birth, and shows little intellect, would it be a person?" Yes, because it is a human with upper brain function.
retroman000 says2013-11-14T16:35:00.3208182-06:00
"By having sex in any condition, she consents to have a baby." What about when contraception fails? Or when a woman is raped? "Technically, to for one person to kill another is murder, do you think the definition or punishment for murder should change?" Well, to technically your technically, murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a person. Early fetus' don't meet these requirements because they (a). Aren't people, and (b). Abortion is legal (depending on circumstances). Even if they were people, that is largely made irrelevant by the fact that it's legal. Executions aren't murder, despite them being the killing of a person, due to the fact that they are legal, sanctioned killings.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-14T20:43:47.5188926-06:00
Contraception is know to fail, my rule still applies during the use of contraception. When a woman is raped, which happens very rarely, and pregnancy results from it rarely as well. When it does happen, even from the standpoint of fetuses not being people, she'd be very hard pressed to prove it was rape, and to do so would cause much unwanted attention. Abortion legal only for rape would be very illogical (like needing to have a permit to conceal a weapon, but that's a whole mother topic). Feel free to watch my current debate inspired by these comments.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-14T20:43:57.0213917-06:00
Contraception is know to fail, my rule still applies during the use of contraception. When a woman is raped, which happens very rarely, and pregnancy results from it rarely as well. When it does happen, even from the standpoint of fetuses not being people, she'd be very hard pressed to prove it was rape, and to do so would cause much unwanted attention. Abortion legal only for rape would be very illogical (like needing to have a permit to conceal a weapon, but that's a whole mother topic). Feel free to watch my current debate inspired by these comments.
retroman000 says2013-11-14T20:48:25.9946424-06:00
"Contraception is know to fail, my rule still applies during the use of contraception." So you're saying people should be completely abstinent until their early thirties?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-14T21:36:42.3861917-06:00
Until marriage.
retroman000 says2013-11-15T21:05:24.9466637-06:00
So, what if after marriage their contraception fails before they're ready for a child?
abyteofbrain says2013-11-15T21:27:47.7594083-06:00
As I said before, expecting contraception to be reliable is foolishness. I think that from any common point of view, abortion between married couples shouldn't be legal.
Mikal says2013-11-15T21:31:05.0214083-06:00
Should not be legal? That means banning the practice of, meaning in any or no circumstances should it be allowed. Explain abortion in cases where it could save the mothers life, or cases where both the baby and the mother will die if they abortion is not performed.
Mikal says2013-11-15T21:31:11.0489868-06:00
Should not be legal? That means banning the practice of, meaning in any or no circumstances should it be allowed. Explain abortion in cases where it could save the mothers life, or cases where both the baby and the mother will die if they abortion is not performed.
retroman000 says2013-11-15T21:41:51.2202083-06:00
Alright. So, say after the man finds out the women is pregnant he leaves her, and she's now a single woman with a baby on the way. What is she to do then?
Mikal says2013-11-15T21:42:04.3145868-06:00
Abyteofbrain I dont like forum of poll wars, but if you are serious about this topic send me a challenge. Abortion should be illegal in the United States. I will debate you on it. Set it for 10k max
Mikal says2013-11-15T21:42:09.5346083-06:00
Abyteofbrain I dont like forum of poll wars, but if you are serious about this topic send me a challenge. Abortion should be illegal in the United States. I will debate you on it. Set it for 10k max
abyteofbrain says2013-11-16T10:22:10.2158630-06:00
I'm debating someone else on the subject now, but I might challenge you afterward. You said "illegal", when I think you meant "legal".
Mikal says2013-11-16T12:32:46.2648187-06:00
No I meant illegal since you are taking the pro side of it. If it is illegal and you take pro, that means you are accepting the fact it should be banned.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-16T13:25:34.2801612-06:00
I think abortion should be illegal in the US.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-16T13:25:37.5009880-06:00
I think abortion should be illegal in the US.
Mikal says2013-11-16T13:26:47.2641880-06:00
I know that, that is why I told you to send me the challenge and take pro. When you make the resolution abortion should be illegal, you are pro if you support the claim.
Mikal says2013-11-16T13:26:58.3245880-06:00
I know that, that is why I told you to send me the challenge and take pro. When you make the resolution abortion should be illegal, you are pro if you support the claim.
Mikal says2013-11-16T13:27:06.2337880-06:00
I know that, that is why I told you to send me the challenge and take pro. When you make the resolution abortion should be illegal, you are pro if you support the claim.
abyteofbrain says2013-11-16T13:30:16.6245612-06:00
I know why I was confused now; "abortion should be illegal in the United States" wasn't I quotation marks.
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:24:43.9496134-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:24:57.8492134-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:25:06.2304814-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:25:20.8725901-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:25:38.1031866-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
twheel85 says2013-12-02T22:26:00.6043185-06:00
The fetus is a human being. It has separate DNA from the mother therefore it is not her "body" she cannot do with it whatever she pleases. Rape is awful. However a child conceived in Rape should not be killed. It was not the child's fault. Though the child cannot feel pain nor is the child conscious does not mean it is not a human being. Look at someone who is in surgery they cannot feel pain nor are they conscious. However it is still murder if someone choose to pull the plug on them. Are they not a human being just because they are not aware?
Jingram994 says2013-12-02T23:43:25.7888134-06:00
Well, *actually*, if your brain ceased functioning whilst you were in surgery, you *would* be considered brain-dead, and thus actually dead for all legal and medical intents and purposes, and thus no longer 'a person'. There is a difference between 'brain-dead' and 'asleep or in a coma'. In the latter cases, you are still 'conscious', at least to the degree of being 'unconscious', which is simply consciousness on a different 'level' to waking consciousness. Thus, you still qualitatively exist. In the former case, you are absolutely non-conscious and non-existent as an individual person. How can you 'murder' something that does not qualitatively exist; that does not have it's own subjective consciousness to actually put an end to? How is a fetus any different? And no, pulling the plug on a brain-dead body is not 'murder', as no 'person' has been killed; the very thing that qualifies them as 'brain dead', lack of brain functioning, and thus consciousness, by definition means that they are no longer 'alive' the same way that word is applied to living persons, and cannot be 'killed'. Keeping a body 'alive' via artificial means does not magically bring the person that lived in that body back to life.
twheel85 says2013-12-03T10:12:22.8179605-06:00
*didn't mean to post it more then once sorry
twheel85 says2013-12-03T10:12:37.4042410-06:00
*didn't mean to post it more then once sorry
Jingram994 says2013-12-03T10:14:12.7089261-06:00
Meh. Happens all the time. I'm guessing you were using a phone, or a tablet, or something like that? Even desktops have problems with this site on occasion. Especially in the Polls section.
twheel85 says2013-12-03T10:15:19.1181261-06:00
Its a desktop but it weird when I hit submit it doesn't do anything so I hit it again and then I realize I posted it more then once
Jingram994 says2013-12-03T10:17:33.5745261-06:00
Yeah, once I posted 5 identical comments all at once because the site glitched up on me, just like what you're describing. Don't worry about it. Just try copying the comment, reloading the page, and then just pasting it if it actually didn't go through.
abelsmack says2013-12-27T05:29:28.9442192-06:00
It should be mandatory.
pozessed says2013-12-27T06:47:56.4205774-06:00
"Yes, but ONLY in cases of rape, and if the mother's life is in danger, and both parents consent...." If a woman can only get an abortion if she was raped, and both parents have to consent, she would have to ask her rapist if she can abort the fetus.
retroman000 says2013-12-27T17:42:31.0182947-06:00
I'm pretty sure they mean the parents of a teenage girl looking to get an abortion.
Jingram994 says2013-12-27T23:19:25.3747492-06:00
Still not very good standards. That would in all likelihood do nothing but severely increase the numbers of falsely reported rapes. Women aren't going to magically stop wanting to abort unwanted fetuses if it becomes illegal to do so; if having been raped is a necessity to have an abortion, then a lot of women are likely going to just flat-out lie to try and have an abortion. Even if you can prove that two people had sex, and that the fetus is the biological offspring of both, it's a lot harder to prove that the fetus is a result of actual, non-consensual intercourse, and the law will have to either err on the side of the woman, in which case fetuses that are not actually the result of rape could still be aborted, or on the 'side' of the fetus, in which case many women who have actually been raped will be unable to be 'allowed' to abort. And 'consent of the parents' isn't a very good standard either. It completely fails to account for the fact that many people have plain old neglectful or abusive parents, or their parents could be fundamentalists who simply will not allow their child to receive an abortion no matter what. In these instances, the woman, a child I might remind you, will necessarily be forced to carry and give birth to an unwanted fetus because her parents said so. That's simply twisted.
kawaii_crazy says2013-12-29T15:42:45.0118654-06:00
Looks like yall have been having quite a long argument in the comments section of this poll
kawaii_crazy says2013-12-29T15:42:58.8551924-06:00
Looks like yall have been having quite a long argument in the comments section of this poll
retroman000 says2013-12-29T22:07:23.4768881-06:00
We do that a lot.
Abominminded says2014-01-07T17:33:50.5458024-06:00
My answer was not up their ! Yes legal only in the case that the father of the baby agrees that he would like to also kill it! And also no we have the technology to farm embryos in artificial environments! The people who did not give us the technology that we posess should be illigal
kawaii_crazy says2014-01-07T17:35:19.8887036-06:00
@retroman: apparently
kawaii_crazy says2014-01-07T17:35:22.8198024-06:00
@retroman: apparently
Macgreggor says2014-03-10T00:54:39.7173453-05:00
There should be no debate on abortion. It is a necessary procedure. If you don't support it, don't get someone pregnant. Otherwise, be mindful of pro action and help those who need help and stop beating a f*cking dead horse.
abyteofbrain says2014-03-10T10:34:37.5281160-05:00
I see no good reason not to debate anything. Here is the scenario: team 1 believes that their right is a right to prevent incredible suffering, while team 2 believes that the same right is the right to murder. You are saying that it shouldn't be debated? Anyone on team 1 or 2 would rightfully dismiss your statement.
shirarawr3 says2014-03-11T17:17:42.7050385-05:00
Yes but there aren't enough options
Bryonique says2014-04-04T15:16:46.7004216-05:00
It really does depend on the stage of the child's development. At conception it isn't viable outside of the mother, so it is the mothers choice whether she wishes to keep it,
HappyLander says2014-04-04T21:36:20.7604017-05:00
One of the most common reasons that mothers have abortions, is that they made a mistake. It is best to have an abortion than to let that child have an unreasonable life. It would just be one less person in this world to have a crappy life they did not deserve. The mother will most likely not have the demands to have the baby. It may be a waste.
HappyLander says2014-04-04T21:43:10.5260842-05:00
One of the reasons mothers have abortions is because they don't have the supplies to demand the needs for the baby. It would just be a waste of time to have the baby if the baby doesn't have its supplies to survive. Unfortunately that's not an option, this poll could have many more reasons for the negative and the affirmative.
jery1569 says2014-04-04T23:33:27.8738413-05:00
@Macgreggor-If you DO support it, don't get somebody pregnant. That's how it should be said, shouldn't it?
jery1569 says2014-04-04T23:37:44.0093347-05:00
@Macgreggor-Shouldn't it be, if you DO support it, don't get somebody pregnant?
jery1569 says2014-04-04T23:38:52.7040601-05:00
@Macgreggor-Shouldn't it be, if you DO support it, don't get somebody pregnant?
jery1569 says2014-04-04T23:41:26.8779273-05:00
@Debate.Org-What was wrong with the last two comments I tried to post? You people are morons. Are you happy Macgreggor, I'm leaving.
jery1569 says2014-04-04T23:43:10.2982219-05:00
@macgreggor-If you do support it, don't get somebody pregnant.
youngandthinking says2014-04-09T19:23:38.4845767-05:00
Abortion is a women's right. A fetus unable to live without attachment to the woman is not a person. Abortion isnt murder.
HappyLander says2014-04-13T13:28:19.4077063-05:00
Yeah, so what if a woman gets pregnant? This happens all the time, you can't just say, 'don't get a woman pregnant', accidental pregnancies happen all the time, you can't stop it, it is going to happen in the future, and plus, what about the people that don't care about the abortion matter? Abortion is just an option on what you are going to do to an unwanted baby.
call-me-he says2014-06-13T20:11:59.5991334-05:00
Yes, Definitely
Sparkey1012 says2014-06-16T00:22:56.0708997-05:00
I was born of rape and my mum wanted to abort me but couldn't because it wasn't allowed...So I would not be here if these laws were real.
Jingram994 says2014-06-17T05:37:00.6559241-05:00
That isn't really an argument against abortion. You wouldn't be here if she naturally miscarried, either, but people aren't massing at the gates to stop natural miscarriages from being a real thing. The fact that you think that your mother being forcibly prevented from actually using her rights to her own body is a 'good' thing is quite disturbing, to say the least. She was raped and forced to remain pregnant and give birth to her rapist's child; that is *really* screwed up.
Biwin says2014-06-17T19:24:21.4023938-05:00
Think of how many Hitlers we've avoided!
Jingram994 says2014-06-17T23:23:48.8041241-05:00
True dat. Now that I'm thinking about it, we can extend the argument to cover fertilized eggs just failing to implant, like over 75% of them fail to do. People aren't exactly scrambling to stop that from happening. How about the fact that unfertilized eggs and sperm cells, which are cellular human life in the *exact same manner* as fertilized eggs and embryo's are, almost invariably die off before they meet each other and form a fertilized egg, then an embryo, then a fetus, then a person? If we start drawing the line when 'independent cellular life' exists, then strictly speaking but the line starts with sperm cells and unfertilized eggs. See again; people aren't exactly scrambling to stop male masturbation and the natural human menstrual cycle, the single biggest killers of potential future persons in the entire world. ALL of those things mean that potential future people don't start existing, in the exact same manner as each other; why are pro-lifers against a woman's actual right to make free use of her own body, but not against all the rest of those things that stop potential future people from having the greatest possible chance to start existing?
Sparkey1012 says2014-06-18T14:42:46.8731974-05:00
Jingram no you've no idea of my life, I'm hated by my mum and was partially raised by my grandma. My mum took me at age of 10. I agree it's their body and it's not right to stop them from their rights, but life is life can't you see? That killing the begging of life is still killing life. I don't give a damn, at what point the egg is considered alive. It's still life, like trees without a conscious, but still it grows into a child that turns into a man. If the women doesn't want the child then that's for adoption services. But I won't sit Idly by as you call me a forced mistake. It's bad enough my mother calls me that, but strangers you see, have no right calling me, whatever it may be.
Jingram994 says2014-06-18T23:23:36.4791169-05:00
"Jingram no you've no idea of my life, I'm hated by my mum and was partially raised by my grandma. My mum took me at age of 10." I'm not implying I know anything about your own life. I'm implying that this argument is absolutely not relevant to arguments regarding abortion in the slightest. Whether you had a great or horrible life *after you were born* isn't relevant to abortion. I really am sorry to hear that, but I suppose that's what happens when your essential bodily rights are taken away to make room for a mass of cells growing inside you. Of course ill feelings about the situation itself shouldn't carry over to you after you've already been born, but I can understand why someone would feel that way after being forced to go through that kind of trauma for 9 months straight. Can't you? "I agree it's their body and it's not right to stop them from their rights, but life is life can't you see?" Right. *Cellular life* is still cellular life. If it's okay to kill cancerous growths, it's okay to 'kill' fetuses who aren't conscious 'people' yet. There is *no* real qualitative difference, in that instance. This also ignores that abortion only 'aborts' the pregnancy, not the fetus. That the fetus usually doesn't survive is an unavoidable side effect, not the intended result. Abortions that occur after 20-22-ish weeks are for all intents and purposes merely premature births; if the fetus is capable of surviving outside the womb then legally attempts do have to be made to save it as well. "That killing the begging of life is still killing life. I don't give a damn, at what point the egg is considered alive. It's still life, like trees without a conscious, but still it grows into a child that turns into a man." So is a seed a tree? Is an unfertilized egg a person? Should we treat malign growths with slight variances in DNA the exact same way we treat the person they are growing inside of? Please understand the difference between cellular life, regardless if it has human DNA or not, and actual complex human life/'person-hood'. "If the women doesn't want the child then that's for adoption services. But I won't sit Idly by as you call me a forced mistake. It's bad enough my mother calls me that, but strangers you see, have no right calling me, whatever it may be." Look, really, no offense at all intended here, but you *are* the product of rape and forced pregnancy. Your mother *should not* have been forced to carry and give birth to you. I understand what you're saying, and obviously ill feelings about the situation itself shouldn't carry over to you after you've already been born, but that simply does not change what I've already said. Adoption deals *only* with the issue of unwanted parenthood, not unwanted pregnancy. Abortion neatly solves both issues whilst ensuring minimal harm to everyone involved (keeping in mind that the fetus is not a 'person' before 26 weeks, and that it is legally required that all medical effort be made to save it if aborted after 20-ish weeks). I simply do not see the argument going beyond that point.
rockcityboy says2014-07-09T18:42:06.6530879-05:00
Abortion is ok only in certain circumstances. Killing a baby is sinful when its not done by rape or forceful sex. But the sinners must pay
chadwick says2014-07-26T16:27:15.0250790-05:00
I honestly dont understand why other people are taking away that choice from someone. I mean I know people say its immoral and its wrong but its for the person having the abortion to decide what is right or wrong. If you personally hate abortions thats fine, dont get one, but why take away the choice of someone else. If the parents dont think they are ready to safely raise a child in a good home then why force them to.
MasterDebater0 says2014-09-12T06:43:13.4692899-05:00
A fetus is a parasite, an infant is a human. The argument that life begins at conception, and is human life is like me cutting off a bit of my skin and calling it a human. There's more cells that way, at least...
JasperFrancisShickadance says2014-09-12T09:50:49.6081027-05:00
Abortion is... ...Taking away the only life a being can ever have ...Putting regret, sorrow, guilt, and unhappiness in 85% women who do abortions ...Separating families at times ...Taking away money (around $5,000) from couples just to destroy the baby, would it bother us more if we used guns? The list goes on. Abortion is murder.
duckgirl says2014-09-12T10:52:12.9152925-05:00
It should not be legle
CrystalJayne says2014-09-17T07:39:51.5841911-05:00
If a male has the right to choice between being a parent or not, why can't a female?
CrystalJayne says2014-09-17T07:40:34.1869718-05:00
If a male has the right to choice between being a parent or not, why can't a female?
Student4Life1975 says2014-09-25T17:41:04.4074809-05:00
Difficult topic, its definitely not a black and white issue. There is a lot of Gray area here, meaning every situation is unique and also, we still haven't determined when life actually starts from a scientific point of view.
OfficialGodOfEverything says2014-10-16T11:06:02.5992763-05:00
DOES ANOTHER WOMAN'S CHOICE EFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY? NO. "Well what if the cure for cancer is inside the brain of a two-celled embryo that you are going to terminate?" What if the cure for cancer is in the brain of a teenage girl who is forced to drop out of high school to care for a baby she did not want and cannot properly care for?
RC73 says2014-10-27T15:49:40.9786625-05:00
Everything I say here does not apply to cases of rape or imminent danger to the mother. Abortion should be legal and it should be RARE. Unfortunately so many in this society are selfish and irresponsible. It is incredibly simple to avoid unwanted pregnancy yet we have 1.2 million abortions per year in the US. If you can't avoid getting pregnant maybe you shouldn't be having sex. Far too many view abortion as last minute birth control in this country. Nothing more despicable than seeing someone getting their 2nd and 3rd abortion before they turn 18. With all of the options for birth control we have nowadays there are no excuses.
mayoforsam says2014-11-02T19:33:32.6452627-06:00
Yes, but only in extreme circumstances eg. Rape but no in that circumstance you have to get the f****** rapist's consent! I also agree that there is not enough options
AnonymousAthiest says2014-12-02T13:28:51.5455040-06:00
Until the last couple of months before birth, the baby is still technically speaking a sub organism of the female; in other words the infant is basically a part of the mother until the witching hour before the birth, meaning that anything but a late-term abortion is really just an amputation or sorts, not a murder. As for how can you prove its a rape DNA TESTING DUMBASS!!!!
SirTent says2015-01-02T23:26:33.5423959-06:00
Its funny how the Pro-choice people dont really give the baby they're killing a choice.
Shub-Niggurath says2015-01-12T10:42:49.9925326-06:00
I don't know whats worse the nazi's killing the disabled and millions of others or women killing their unborn children inside their wombs. "yes with no restrictions" found it's way to the top another all time low for humanity. Abortion without restriction is like supporting the extermination of disabled poeple by the nazi's in world war 2. 1,321,285,800 billion abortions have been carried out since 1980 of which the vast majority were done purely out of selfish convenience. Yes these unborn children like disabled people are at our mercy. Shame on all of you.
erm.ok says2015-01-18T08:48:35.7428572-06:00
It all depends on the situation so I couldn't pick in my opinion I would ever abort a child I would all ways hand down give birth to the child if I didn't want it you can just adopt it. Why would you kill something that hasn't even saw the earth its just as bad as killing a born baby you would ever do it yet you abort children. But that's just what I would do it depends again on the situation.
noah_m says2015-01-31T20:47:47.8805154-06:00
In my opinion abortion should NEVER be legal. That fetus is (or was) going to be a kid even if it isn't fully developed. The mother should not be given a choice to kill her child. That child could turn out to be a very influential person. Just because you dont feel ready to have a kid it does not mean that you should kill it. It is equal to birthing a baby and killing it. That fetus is living and is going to live and grow. Rights dont include killing children.
duncan21 says2015-02-10T14:10:31.0006053-06:00
You bastards are murdering friggin babies
imabench says2015-02-19T20:48:30.2134399-06:00
Glad to know that duncan is at peace with his stupidity
daario says2015-02-24T18:29:29.5256073-06:00
Human right
Julieanne567 says2015-03-26T19:14:04.9156655-05:00
Everyone should have a choice.
RXR says2015-03-28T18:33:00.1224883-05:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ How about you guys listen to an actual witness to an abortion. And tell me if she shouldn't be alive today
TiaVillasis says2015-04-02T02:57:51.7504764-05:00
I think abortion is up to the person who is pregnant, a lot of young kids having kids today, and if you don't allow abortion to stay legal, Kids can not raise children, and even some women know they are not ready and or would not feel as though they are fit to be a parent you.. I would rather have the person have an abortion instead of possibly hating the child, and or hurting them. Plus your not pregnant with there child why is it up to you, people are not told you have to raise a kid this way or that, well some want kids others don't who are you to tell them what they must do.
holdontothedeck says2015-04-06T00:37:24.4493953-05:00
7 billion humans on this planet? We should be promoting abortion like Americans promote fast food
holdontothedeck says2015-04-06T00:37:58.4293531-05:00
7 billion humans on this planet? We should be promoting abortion like Americans promote fast food
kingkd says2015-04-09T16:42:47.3382956-05:00
All you so proclaimed "pro choice"... Challenge me
kingkd says2015-04-09T16:43:40.1515608-05:00
All you so proclaimed "pro choice"... Challenge me
kingkd says2015-04-09T17:01:23.1775176-05:00
All you so proclaimed "pro choice"... Challenge me
T1a2l3i4a5 says2015-04-19T22:22:51.7990082-05:00
It should be legal, and hear in Canada it is... The part I'm in at least. What if someone gets raped, and pregnant. At 12. Or 50. Sometimes the person isn't ready, or is too old. And also, if someone gets raped, they shouldn't need to have a jerk's baby. Also, what if they're young. Imagine a girl gets her period at 9, and that means it is possible for her to get pregnant. Now imagine this 9 year old had a boyfriend and they had sex. (Very unlikely, but still...) Now imagine this 9 year old got pregnant, and let's say they turned nine a week ago. They get pregnant. The nine year old could die from giving birth, and it isn't fair for the nine year old to have to give birth. And what if a 25 year old who gets 200$ a month and had a small cramped apartment with little furnishing and hardly any food gets pregnant and the father breaks up with the 25 year old. The 25 year old wouldn't be able to support herself, or her child, and might not be able to afford baby supplies and treatment, such as a midwife or a hospital, and she tries to give birth by herself. She could die. And what if the person is a drug addict and got pregnant at a party, and took drugs, and was immature and not ready for a child. Also, a fetus is literally a bunch of cells. It's not 'killing the baby.' There isn't a baby yet...
lilliepearce-debate.org says2015-04-20T12:52:22.3128861-05:00
I think that abortion should only be acceptable before the baby has developed because after that time i believe its murder and even though it is still that women body a baby should have the right to life just as other humans do.
Chrisdz says2015-04-27T20:34:54.0777889-05:00
It is their choice, and I believe that we have no right to determine whether or not they should be allowed it
yalnizcadusun says2015-05-22T16:38:38.0519755-05:00
In my opinion, abortion is a right in some cases. I think like that because ,for examaple; if someone was raped most probably the child will be a shame for her because every time when she looked her child she will remember it and this is very diffucult for everyone. Nobody cannot pushs them to live with it. I have the thoughts about the other things. If mother life is in danger, having a baby isn't worth. In addition , if both parents are agree with that, it should be legal.
Mremann87 says2015-06-08T02:35:42.9803426-05:00
Does anyone have any logical primaries Or first principles on which all your conclusions are predicated? Or is this mostly all just disjointed conceptions untied from material reality? PM me...
ImARedditFreakDontJudgeMe says2015-06-30T00:11:55.8283270-05:00
Not enough options, I believe that it should only be legal in cases of rape OR if the mother's life is in danger. I don't believe both parents' consent is needed, and I believe that it must be before the baby starts to feel pain. (Whenever that may be.)
ImARedditFreakDontJudgeMe says2015-06-30T00:15:50.6680450-05:00
Also dear person who dissed people who think "a fetus has more rights than a woman". The rights are completely different. If it would kill the mother, let her choose. But depriving someone (even a fetus) of the chance to live life JUST to escape the pain of child labor is a horrible thing.
jollyroger says2015-07-11T17:35:41.1357067-05:00
The only thing that should be illegal is any law that is absolute.
amanda_3435 says2015-07-14T08:35:00.6303564-05:00
If we don't allow any abortions at all, there will be so many more orphans in the world or children living in drug houses or on the streets because the teenage parents won't be able to take care of the child. My parents are a actually currently fostering a child like that.
falloffenix says2015-07-17T12:25:19.7477963-05:00
Myths: 1. "Women should be able to do what they want with their own bodies. Men in government shouldn't control that" What about the body in the womb? Does he/she have a choice on whether he/she gets to live or die? So please stop referring to "pro-abortion" as "pro-life." 2. "Abortion doesn't hurt anybody. After all, a fetus is just a clump of cells, not an actual person." What species is that clump of cells? You have to dehumanize the unborn baby, or else you'd feel like a murderer. Unborn babies have faces and fingers. They can feel pain. At the end of the day, aren't we all just a big clump of cells? 3. "Abortions help science" The Nazis also had specimens that were experimented on against their will. The Nazis justified it. They viewed their victims as objects. Not as people. So the real question is, are unborn babies people?
Donderpants says2015-07-21T04:50:46.3917523-05:00
I support it only when the baby would not make it, or if it was rape. If the mother is at risk, and she got herself pregnant- if she decided to go around getting herself pregnant, she should have accepted the risks.
lovingsingleton says2015-07-25T07:16:43.5020937-05:00
I think abortion is bad and it should be illegal, but I think right now it has a positive effect on society. It should be phased out. Abortion has increased so much due to promiscuity becoming popular. If we fought promiscuity, we wouldn't really need to fight abortion.
Teege says2015-07-26T22:33:55.2393264-05:00
I believe adult, being of sound mind, has the right to do whatever they please, as long as it does not impede on the rights, freedoms, and well being of other human. However, a human fetus is a living thing. It requires food and oxygen. It has a pulse, and its nervous system is able to react to different stimuli. Abortions clearly reject the fetus's right to life. It also violates the code of not injuring another human life.
beng100 says2015-09-03T12:31:55.9929287Z
How can someone be forced to give birth to an unwanted baby? Every woman should have the freedom to make her own decision
Bob13 says2015-09-17T11:25:58.8155557Z
Why are there so many murderers?
Bob13 says2015-09-17T11:26:35.0389879Z
Why are there so many murderers?
Bob13 says2015-09-17T11:27:06.6759907Z
Why are there so many murderers?
MizzEnigma says2015-09-21T12:12:47.5918506Z
There's two sides to the rape issue. Grateful children and children that wished their mother acted on what she thought was best. My mother couldn't get an abortion, pressure told her otherwise and her inability to do so. She was a rape victim and she was traumatized. Devastated and stressed. She was forced to have me for nine months inside of her, growing, and then conceived me. I was that constant reminder in her life. She hated me and physically harmed me when I was in her presence for too long. She was heavily depressed whenever I was around her. Am I grateful? No, I'm not. I was her breaking point and it pained me to know that. Was the rape my fault? No, it was not. But her depression was partially mine too. Would I have rather her aborted me? Yes. It would have given her happiness. No one should have told her otherwise, because her pursuit of happiness is her own. It was her body and I invaded it without her choice. None of you were in her position and you can't exactly force happiness on yourself in that situation. None of you have that right to look her dead in the face and say, "You must conceive that person because they have a potential to do things with themselves and they are a life." You aren't helping. Am I a life right now? Yes. Could I have done something great? Yes. But there is no guarantee. There are already many people out there who have that chance, but other things are bringing them down. I'm not going to achieve great things and I recognize that. Should I have stripped my mother's freedom from her, devastated her, reminded her, forced her, and weighed her down because you all think you know what's best for me? Hell no. You all are too concerned with what a woman does with her body than the children in adoption and foster care. Most of you don't even care what happens after the fact. Just your "noble duty" to force women to conceive a fetus they don't want. I am, however, thankful that my mother didn't put me up for adoption. That was the only good thing out of this situation. Adoption isn't the greatest nor best solution. Think of all the children that don't get adopted, how many are neglected. It would be horrendous. Focus on removing the reason, not the right for abortion. Volunteer and help give them the ability to care for their child. Don't force rape victims to conceive those reminders, don't force women to die to conceive a fetus. The fact that taking away a woman's right is so debated is disappointing. #Pro-Choice
Bu says2015-10-01T06:05:43.3601665Z
It doesn't matter that a selfish/lazy woman doesn't want to take care of a child. It's their fault, when they have sex, it's apparent that pregnancy is possible. In rape circumstances, if the mother does not want the child, the child should be put up for adoption.
Bu says2015-10-01T06:07:05.9061160Z
It doesn't matter that a selfish/lazy woman doesn't want to take care of a child. It's their fault, when they have sex, it's apparent that pregnancy is possible. In rape circumstances, if the mother does not want the child, the child should be put up for adoption.
Bu says2015-10-01T06:08:02.4260029Z
It doesn't matter that a selfish/lazy woman doesn't want to take care of a child. It's their fault, when they have sex, it's apparent that pregnancy is possible. In rape circumstances, if the mother does not want the child, the child should be put up for adoption.
MizzEnigma says2015-10-20T03:22:59.6870792Z
You think the adoption services are more humane? Right. And you expect all foster families to be caring? Right. The system is fucked no matter how you look at it. Yeah, there are lucky kids, I'll concede there. And most of them are young. More likely than not, families want a child they can raise as their own, and not risk damage or disability. A child that won't feel so detached, or remember that their parents didn't want them, or what parents did to them. There are a lucky few that won't have to endure it. Not all adoptive families are the good, Brady Bunch kind. There would be an infamous amount of children, should it be legalized, that would swarm an already dysfunctional system and go through it without people wanting them. Being put in there does *not* increase the amount of families wanting them nor does it increase the amount of accepted parents. What we want are happy children, do we not? The system requires testing to see if those parents are suitable (though those tests aren't perfect and are guaranteed), and homosexual and single couples are least likely to be accepted as fast as heterosexual couples. And children will spend years there. By the time they leave, they will feel unloved, unwanted and alone in a horrible society. Those children are likely to do drugs, drink alcohol, and become detrimental. Those are not happy children. Those are lost children that had to endure it because other people, like most of those on the pro-life side, felt they knew what was best, yet won't even adopt them. Are you going to be adopting children? My mother wasn't lazy. She had other children of her own. She could have taken great care of me, had she wanted me. I was forced on her by people who would see her as a baby killer, even though she knew what was best for me and what was best for her. I would not have given a care in the world if she would have aborted me. I wouldn't have known about it, in fact. And I would have rather her be happy. It's not her being selfish. It's her having a right to her own body and what invades it, because it is her body. Is she selfish for wanting control of her body? Are all women selfish for wanting that? No, they're not. A fetus, in the end, is a mere potential to be a baby, to be a child. It's an unborn potential, a part of the mother. You are in *no* position to speak of what a mother is like, what she is like. Don't like it, don't abort it. Don't remove the right, remove the reason. Most abortions are rarely late term anyhow. A woman should not be punished for having sex. Sex is more than just for reproductive purposes, most of us, and hopefully you, understand that. It relieves stress even. It's intimate. And furthermore, contraceptives are not guaranteed. Children are not punishments. Don't punish a woman for sex by forcing her to carry an unborn fetus for nine months that could potentially ruin her career, her educational opportunities, and life itself. Adoption is NOT perfect nor the BEST solution. And a woman who undergoes that understands those risks and doesn't want the fetus to undergo that after birth. I'm curious. How many of you are males?
MizzEnigma says2015-10-20T03:24:05.4579440Z
You think the adoption services are more humane? Right. And you expect all foster families to be caring? Right. The system is fucked no matter how you look at it. Yeah, there are lucky kids, I'll concede there. And most of them are young. More likely than not, families want a child they can raise as their own, and not risk damage or disability. A child that won't feel so detached, or remember that their parents didn't want them, or what parents did to them. There are a lucky few that won't have to endure it. Not all adoptive families are the good, Brady Bunch kind. There would be an infamous amount of children, should it be legalized, that would swarm an already dysfunctional system and go through it without people wanting them. Being put in there does *not* increase the amount of families wanting them nor does it increase the amount of accepted parents. What we want are happy children, do we not? The system requires testing to see if those parents are suitable (though those tests aren't perfect and are guaranteed), and homosexual and single couples are least likely to be accepted as fast as heterosexual couples. And children will spend years there. By the time they leave, they will feel unloved, unwanted and alone in a horrible society. Those children are likely to do drugs, drink alcohol, and become detrimental. Those are not happy children. Those are lost children that had to endure it because other people, like most of those on the pro-life side, felt they knew what was best, yet won't even adopt them. Are you going to be adopting children? My mother wasn't lazy. She had other children of her own. She could have taken great care of me, had she wanted me. I was forced on her by people who would see her as a baby killer, even though she knew what was best for me and what was best for her. I would not have given a care in the world if she would have aborted me. I wouldn't have known about it, in fact. And I would have rather her be happy. It's not her being selfish. It's her having a right to her own body and what invades it, because it is her body. Is she selfish for wanting control of her body? Are all women selfish for wanting that? No, they're not. A fetus, in the end, is a mere potential to be a baby, to be a child. It's an unborn potential, a part of the mother. You are in *no* position to speak of what a mother is like. Don't like it, don't abort it. Don't remove the right, remove the reason. Most abortions are rarely late term anyhow. A woman should not be punished for having sex. Sex is more than just for reproductive purposes, most of us, and hopefully you, understand that. It relieves stress even. It's intimate. And furthermore, contraceptives are not guaranteed. Children are not punishments. Don't punish a woman for sex by forcing her to carry an unborn fetus for nine months that could potentially ruin her career, her educational opportunities, and life itself. Adoption is NOT perfect nor the BEST solution. And a woman who undergoes that understands those risks and doesn't want the fetus to undergo that after birth. I'm curious. How many of you are males?
MizzEnigma says2015-10-20T03:26:30.4315319Z
Whoops, it sent twice. ^^
raven.mckenzieg says2015-11-05T13:52:34.9906742Z
Its wrong
DebatingPolitics97 says2015-11-13T20:50:19.5949935Z
I have decided that abortion should not be legalized. I believe that with morals aside if all lives matter as mystic egg said then how could one dispute the fact that a baby is not a life, and that killing it should be legal? A child does not reach the age of reason until the age of 7... So we should be able to kill six year old children?!?!?! If a child does not have a viable thought process til the age of 7, then why is there proven brain activity at the 2 week point of pregnancy?And even if you call an unborn child a fetus, it does not change the fact that it is a HUMAN and in our laws the killing of a human is MURDER. If not then why is a person who is charged with killing a pregnant women charged for killing TWO people.If a person truthfully hates a child that they have given birth to then they have an amazing option called ADOPTION.Another solution is that if people would simply stop having sex with each other without marriage or the want of a child then we would not even THINK about over population and abortions or birth control. Why should someone have sex just to feel good? If this causes as much pain for a women as is said then perhaps sex should be prohibited by the law while abortion is legalized.When a women is going to die and the child is going to die as well then an abortion should be availible to those who need it! Legalizing abortion in order to get money and allow people to have sex as often as they like would be foolish and would have no real reason to back it up. There have been very few cases in which abortion has been the only option for a women. Also to answer a previous question as far as i have been informed injecting a women with a poison is NOT good for a womens health.....
DebatingPolitics97 says2015-11-13T20:51:42.1205805Z
I have decided that abortion should not be legalized. I believe that with morals aside if all lives matter as mystic egg said then how could one dispute the fact that a baby is not a life, and that killing it should be legal? A child does not reach the age of reason until the age of 7... So we should be able to kill six year old children?!?!?! If a child does not have a viable thought process til the age of 7, then why is there proven brain activity at the 2 week point of pregnancy?And even if you call an unborn child a fetus, it does not change the fact that it is a HUMAN and in our laws the killing of a human is MURDER. If not then why is a person who is charged with killing a pregnant women charged for killing TWO people.If a person truthfully hates a child that they have given birth to then they have an amazing option called ADOPTION.Another solution is that if people would simply stop having sex with each other without marriage or the want of a child then we would not even THINK about over population and abortions or birth control. Why should someone have sex just to feel good? If this causes as much pain for a women as is said then perhaps sex should be prohibited by the law while abortion is legalized.When a women is going to die and the child is going to die as well then an abortion should be availible to those who need it! Legalizing abortion in order to get money and allow people to have sex as often as they like would be foolish and would have no real reason to back it up. There have been very few cases in which abortion has been the only option for a women. Also to answer a previous question as far as i have been informed injecting a women with a poison is NOT good for a womens health.....
DebatingPolitics97 says2015-11-13T20:52:35.0055975Z
I have decided that abortion should not be legalized. I believe that with morals aside if all lives matter as mystic egg said then how could one dispute the fact that a baby is not a life, and that killing it should be legal? A child does not reach the age of reason until the age of 7... So we should be able to kill six year old children?!?!?! If a child does not have a viable thought process til the age of 7, then why is there proven brain activity at the 2 week point of pregnancy?And even if you call an unborn child a fetus, it does not change the fact that it is a HUMAN and in our laws the killing of a human is MURDER. If not then why is a person who is charged with killing a pregnant women charged for killing TWO people.If a person truthfully hates a child that they have given birth to then they have an amazing option called ADOPTION.Another solution is that if people would simply stop having sex with each other without marriage or the want of a child then we would not even THINK about over population and abortions or birth control. Why should someone have sex just to feel good? If this causes as much pain for a women as is said then perhaps sex should be prohibited by the law while abortion is legalized.When a women is going to die and the child is going to die as well then an abortion should be availible to those who need it! Legalizing abortion in order to get money and allow people to have sex as often as they like would be foolish and would have no real reason to back it up. There have been very few cases in which abortion has been the only option for a women. Also to answer a previous question as far as i have been informed injecting a women with a poison is NOT good for a womens health....
jackburnside1 says2015-12-13T21:11:22.1731325Z
Wrong aboout most things
jackburnside1 says2015-12-13T21:12:44.0435069Z
It should be legal I do not think the government is responsible for restricting this.
b1299 says2016-02-19T15:20:25.5657555Z
Yes biatches
b1299 says2016-02-19T15:21:22.7412215Z
Yes biatches
meepmeeep says2016-03-07T22:03:15.8036377Z
Abortion should be legal because it is the woman who is pregnant`s choice nobody else choice and NO man should have any onion on this because they do not know what it is to be pregnant and what the woman has to deal with
jvan_26 says2016-03-23T01:49:55.3506740Z
Killing babies because of careless acts is evil, and irresponsible
DebateMaster001 says2016-04-10T13:21:53.6431235Z
It should be legal only in cases of rape or incest (urghh) or if the mother's life is in danger.
TooProDebates says2016-04-13T23:45:04.6732732Z
I'm going to say yes because Earth's population is growing massively and a lot of our resources are going to be used up and because now a days not as many people want a kid, and we can't force people to take on a huge responsibility.
Violetrose says2016-04-23T13:21:25.8130536Z
Abortion should be legal as long as the woman and her partner have both agreed to it. She shouldn't get an abortion behind their back. If they've both agreed to it, I don't see anything wrong with it as it's their choice if they're ready for a child or not.
Violetrose says2016-04-23T13:22:54.4528218Z
Abortion should be legal as long as the woman and her partner have both agreed to it. She shouldn't get an abortion behind their back. If they've both agreed to it, I don't see anything wrong with it as it's their choice if they're ready for a child or not.
Violetrose says2016-04-23T13:25:03.3252479Z
Abortion should be legal as long as the woman and her partner have both agreed to it. She shouldn't get an abortion behind their back. If they've both agreed to it, I don't see anything wrong with it as it's their choice if they're ready for a child or not.
sketchb says2016-05-04T00:18:47.0212690Z
You're killing people if you do an abortion!
dshan1407 says2016-06-24T14:45:28.9178466Z
Yes it should be legal, but only before 20 weeks or so.
ArcticLeopards says2016-06-29T15:00:13.2069508Z
An abortion means death of the baby. Whether they wanted it or not. Look at the medical records. My mom had a miscarriage and it will say she had a abortion. FACE THE FACTS.
ArcticLeopards says2016-06-29T15:01:08.9468227Z
An abortion means death of the baby. Whether they wanted it or not. Look at the medical records. My mom had a miscarriage and it will say she had a abortion. FACE THE FACTS.
ArcticLeopards says2016-06-29T15:02:23.9998660Z
An abortion means death of the baby. Whether they wanted it or not. Look at the medical records. My mom had a miscarriage and it will say she had a abortion. FACE THE FACTS. P.S it would not be you kids fault you got your wife pregnant Mikel!!!
Benjiboy960 says2016-08-19T23:47:12.5435409Z
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mharman says2016-09-21T00:45:45.0734903Z
@MysticEgg: Many women say "My body, my choice.", but what about the baby's body? The heart does start beating before you even know you're pregnant! When abortion happens, you are killing a baby with a beating heart. It is common knowledge that trees, even though they have no heart, are living. So if the liberals protect the tree that has no heart, then shouldn't they protect the baby that DOES have a beating heart?
Mharman says2016-09-21T00:51:02.9255278Z
@MysticEgg: Many women say "My body, my choice.", but what about the baby's body? The heart does start beating before you even know you're pregnant! When abortion happens, you are killing a baby with a beating heart. It is common knowledge that trees, even though they have no heart, are living. So if the liberals protect the tree that has no heart, then shouldn't they protect the baby that DOES have a beating heart?
Mharman says2016-09-21T00:56:07.4706800Z
@MysticEgg: Many women say "My body, my choice.", but what about the baby's body? The heart does start beating before you even know you're pregnant! When abortion happens, you are killing a baby with a beating heart. It is common knowledge that trees, even though they have no heart, are living. So if the liberals protect the tree that has no heart, then shouldn't they protect the baby that DOES have a beating heart?
Jenae.ross says2016-10-01T17:15:55.6269157Z
What is your mom wanted to have an abortion on you? You wouldn't be living today, you wouldn't be breathing, you would be a dead piece of tissue laying in the ground. Is that what you want for other people? What if it was your best friend who got aborted? You wouldn't have a shoulder to cry one or someone to hang out with. It's not right and you wouldn't support it if it was you, your friend, or anyone else you know.
Jenae.ross says2016-10-01T17:17:16.8098361Z
What is your mom wanted to have an abortion on you? You wouldn't be living today, you wouldn't be breathing, you would be a dead piece of tissue laying in the ground. Is that what you want for other people? What if it was your best friend who got aborted? You wouldn't have a shoulder to cry one or someone to hang out with. It's not right and you wouldn't support it if it was you, your friend, or anyone else you know.
Jenae.ross says2016-10-01T17:18:11.9405895Z
What is your mom wanted to have an abortion on you? You wouldn't be living today, you wouldn't be breathing, you would be a dead piece of tissue laying in the ground. Is that what you want for other people? What if it was your best friend who got aborted? You wouldn't have a shoulder to cry one or someone to hang out with. It's not right and you wouldn't support it if it was you, your friend, or anyone else you know.
RepublicanForLIfe says2016-10-13T15:14:33.6230115Z
Abortion is always the killing of a baby. All lives matter. If someone is raped, they need to go through with the pregnancy and have the baby born. Then they can place the baby in a safe adoption center where it will be cared for. Why kill the baby when you can keep it alive and put it in an adoption center? If someone is given a present by accident, do they just destroy it? Of course not! They either give it away or keep it. The same goes for someone who is raped. On another point, turtles and all sorts of animals are protected by law. It is illegal to kill animals. Animals that cannot advance human and do not have decision making brains; animals who go by instinct; animals that can't change the world. Babies, on the other hand, are not protected by law; babies that could grow up to become someone who would save the country, make a new invention; babies who can think, speak, laugh; babies who are a valued person. Abortion is wrong, murder, and should be illegal.
RepublicanForLIfe says2016-10-13T15:15:29.7209711Z
Abortion is always the killing of a baby. All lives matter. If someone is raped, they need to go through with the pregnancy and have the baby born. Then they can place the baby in a safe adoption center where it will be cared for. Why kill the baby when you can keep it alive and put it in an adoption center? If someone is given a present by accident, do they just destroy it? Of course not! They either give it away or keep it. The same goes for someone who is raped. On another point, turtles and all sorts of animals are protected by law. It is illegal to kill animals. Animals that cannot advance human and do not have decision making brains; animals who go by instinct; animals that can't change the world. Babies, on the other hand, are not protected by law; babies that could grow up to become someone who would save the country, make a new invention; babies who can think, speak, laugh; babies who are a valued person. Abortion is wrong, murder, and should be illegal.
RepublicanForLIfe says2016-10-13T15:17:11.5584239Z
Abortion is always the killing of a baby. All lives matter. If someone is raped, they need to go through with the pregnancy and have the baby born. Then they can place the baby in a safe adoption center where it will be cared for. Why kill the baby when you can keep it alive and put it in an adoption center? If someone is given a present by accident, do they just destroy it? Of course not! They either give it away or keep it. The same goes for someone who is raped. On another point, turtles and all sorts of animals are protected by law. It is illegal to kill animals. Animals that cannot advance human and do not have decision making brains; animals who go by instinct; animals that can't change the world. Babies, on the other hand, are not protected by law; babies that could grow up to become someone who would save the country, make a new invention; babies who can think, speak, laugh; babies who are a valued person. Abortion is wrong, murder, and should be illegal.
kobecurry789 says2016-10-28T17:00:40.0139451Z
A women has reproductive rights, but loses that once she chooses to have unsafe sex
LunaTheMagician says2016-11-08T19:43:31.5062670Z
If we made sexual education more comprehensive, Abortion rates would probably drop drastically.
coltenrobertson says2016-12-01T22:41:02.0430814Z
Women should have the right to choose.
coltenrobertson says2016-12-05T22:47:44.8799863Z
It is a woman's choice, so let her choose.
John_C_1812 says2016-12-10T18:57:23.9608901Z
Abortion describes an illegal confession made to a possible crime. Abort meaning to “officially stop” something in progress. The issue is a confession has legal requirements that must take place to protect the General Welfare of a Public. Legislating the term directly is a violation of the United States Constitution, Bill of Rights, and finally the Hippocratic Oath.
VulpeLegatus says2017-01-03T02:16:10.7889021Z
A woman has the right to do what she wants with her body, UNLESS another POTENTIAL LIFE is involved, that life deserves to live, has not done any wrong by existing, and just because the woman is uncomfortable with giving birth or adopting, doesn't mean the POTENTIAL LIFE should die.
howaboutsomefacts says2017-02-26T05:25:32.9207586Z
If the mother's life is not in danger, and if she did indeed consent to sexual intercourse without having properly considered the ramifications of such an action, then the abortion is taking place purely for the sake of convenience. This personal benefit does not usurp the right of the unborn baby, having no defensive abilities of its own, and being very much alive and prosperous, to its life. Personal convenience can never justify the sickening extraction of a baby's cerebral matter and the collapse of its skull.
howaboutsomefacts says2017-02-26T05:27:00.7481870Z
If the mother's life is not in danger, and if she did indeed consent to sexual intercourse without having properly considered the ramifications of such an action, then the abortion is taking place purely for the sake of convenience. This personal benefit does not usurp the right of the unborn baby, having no defensive abilities of its own, and being very much alive and prosperous, to its life. Personal convenience can never justify the sickening extraction of a baby's cerebral matter and the collapse of its skull.
howaboutsomefacts says2017-02-26T05:29:06.8039389Z
If the mother's life is not in danger, and if she did indeed consent to sexual intercourse without having properly considered the ramifications of such an action, then the abortion is taking place purely for the sake of convenience. This personal benefit does not usurp the right of the unborn baby, having no defensive abilities of its own, and being very much alive and prosperous, to its life. Personal convenience can never justify the sickening extraction of a baby's cerebral matter and the collapse of its skull.
Violetrose says2017-07-05T17:41:15.0039221Z
The foetus isn't alive at the time of abortion
Tileepay says2017-07-26T22:12:09.9649875Z
No, unless the mother has a 40%+ (the percentage is negotiable) chance of dying.
Brunswick says2017-08-02T03:59:26.0414352Z
You can't legally remove organs from a dead body without their consent given while they were alive. Why would we give a dead body more rights to their bodily integrity than we give to women who are living and breathing above ground. A woman should nott be forced to do anything with her body that she doesn't choose to do. This issue is more about policing womends sexuality than it is about saving unborn lives. If any one on the "pro life" WAS actually for LIFE, then they wouldn't let people die on the streets or starve to death, or live in extreme poverty. As soon as this unborn child takes its first breath, the "pro lifers" wash their hands of it, claiming that its not their problem and or saying things like "why should I pay taxes for somebody else's kid" and "if you cant afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have them" or like "she should have kept her legs crossed", "all these women are lazy and mooching of the system, having children just to get more welfare money" We've created a terrible system in which women (and minorities) have purposely been left behind, at a disadvantage...... For which we then, blame them for, as we cut, slash & take away every program and any and all chances they might have at making a decent life for themselves and their children. We almost force our ideal "morality " onto them, shaming them for being single mothers, and leaving them with one option left, which is to find a husband so our fantasy utopia of white picket fences and June Cleaver returns to the way we falsely remember as the "good ol' days"' If they try to go along with this supposed "moral path" that we shame them into, we insult them anyway, calling them "sluts", "whores" and "gold diggers" who are just looking for a come up, or a sugar daddy. The sad reality is that the "home" isnt a very safe place for women. It's where they suffer brutality at the hands of their intimate partners or family members. Statistics show that 1 in 3 women and 1in 6 men have been, or currently are victims of sexual assualt or abuse. A women in this country is beaten every 18 seconds. But, by all means, force her to to have a baby, so that it can be raped or beaten by a family member, abandonded by it's father, emotionally neglected by one or both parents, (who were forced into parenthood), or live in extreme poverty where the only chance it has to survive is by becoming a gang member, or a prostitute in a sex trafficking ring. Great plan, "pro lifers".
Brunswick says2017-08-02T04:00:56.3197926Z
You can't legally remove organs from a dead body without their consent given while they were alive. Why would we give a dead body more rights to their bodily integrity than we give to women who are living and breathing above ground. A woman should nott be forced to do anything with her body that she doesn't choose to do. This issue is more about policing womends sexuality than it is about saving unborn lives. If any one on the "pro life" WAS actually for LIFE, then they wouldn't let people die on the streets or starve to death, or live in extreme poverty. As soon as this unborn child takes its first breath, the "pro lifers" wash their hands of it, claiming that its not their problem and or saying things like "why should I pay taxes for somebody else's kid" and "if you cant afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have them" or like "she should have kept her legs crossed", "all these women are lazy and mooching of the system, having children just to get more welfare money" We've created a terrible system in which women (and minorities) have purposely been left behind, at a disadvantage...... For which we then, blame them for, as we cut, slash & take away every program and any and all chances they might have at making a decent life for themselves and their children. We almost force our ideal "morality " onto them, shaming them for being single mothers, and leaving them with one option left, which is to find a husband so our fantasy utopia of white picket fences and June Cleaver returns to the way we falsely remember as the "good ol' days"' If they try to go along with this supposed "moral path" that we shame them into, we insult them anyway, calling them "sluts", "whores" and "gold diggers" who are just looking for a come up, or a sugar daddy. The sad reality is that the "home" isnt a very safe place for women. It's where they suffer brutality at the hands of their intimate partners or family members. Statistics show that 1 in 3 women and 1in 6 men have been, or currently are victims of sexual assualt or abuse. A women in this country is beaten every 18 seconds. But, by all means, force her to to have a baby, so that it can be raped or beaten by a family member, abandonded by it's father, emotionally neglected by one or both parents, (who were forced into parenthood), or live in extreme poverty where the only chance it has to survive is by becoming a gang member, or a prostitute in a sex trafficking ring. Great plan, "pro lifers".
Brunswick says2017-08-02T04:01:41.9347774Z
You can't legally remove organs from a dead body without their consent given while they were alive. Why would we give a dead body more rights to their bodily integrity than we give to women who are living and breathing above ground. A woman should nott be forced to do anything with her body that she doesn't choose to do. This issue is more about policing womends sexuality than it is about saving unborn lives. If any one on the "pro life" WAS actually for LIFE, then they wouldn't let people die on the streets or starve to death, or live in extreme poverty. As soon as this unborn child takes its first breath, the "pro lifers" wash their hands of it, claiming that its not their problem and or saying things like "why should I pay taxes for somebody else's kid" and "if you cant afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have them" or like "she should have kept her legs crossed", "all these women are lazy and mooching of the system, having children just to get more welfare money" We've created a terrible system in which women (and minorities) have purposely been left behind, at a disadvantage...... For which we then, blame them for, as we cut, slash & take away every program and any and all chances they might have at making a decent life for themselves and their children. We almost force our ideal "morality " onto them, shaming them for being single mothers, and leaving them with one option left, which is to find a husband so our fantasy utopia of white picket fences and June Cleaver returns to the way we falsely remember as the "good ol' days"' If they try to go along with this supposed "moral path" that we shame them into, we insult them anyway, calling them "sluts", "whores" and "gold diggers" who are just looking for a come up, or a sugar daddy. The sad reality is that the "home" isnt a very safe place for women. It's where they suffer brutality at the hands of their intimate partners or family members. Statistics show that 1 in 3 women and 1in 6 men have been, or currently are victims of sexual assualt or abuse. A women in this country is beaten every 18 seconds. But, by all means, force her to to have a baby, so that it can be raped or beaten by a family member, abandonded by it's father, emotionally neglected by one or both parents, (who were forced into parenthood), or live in extreme poverty where the only chance it has to survive is by becoming a gang member, or a prostitute in a sex trafficking ring. Great plan, "pro lifers".
Brunswick says2017-08-02T04:02:55.8485250Z
You can't legally remove organs from a dead body without their consent given while they were alive. Why would we give a dead body more rights to their bodily integrity than we give to women who are living and breathing above ground. A woman should nott be forced to do anything with her body that she doesn't choose to do. This issue is more about policing womends sexuality than it is about saving unborn lives. If any one on the "pro life" WAS actually for LIFE, then they wouldn't let people die on the streets or starve to death, or live in extreme poverty. As soon as this unborn child takes its first breath, the "pro lifers" wash their hands of it, claiming that its not their problem and or saying things like "why should I pay taxes for somebody else's kid" and "if you cant afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have them" or like "she should have kept her legs crossed", "all these women are lazy and mooching of the system, having children just to get more welfare money" We've created a terrible system in which women (and minorities) have purposely been left behind, at a disadvantage...... For which we then, blame them for, as we cut, slash & take away every program and any and all chances they might have at making a decent life for themselves and their children. We almost force our ideal "morality " onto them, shaming them for being single mothers, and leaving them with one option left, which is to find a husband so our fantasy utopia of white picket fences and June Cleaver returns to the way we falsely remember as the "good ol' days"' If they try to go along with this supposed "moral path" that we shame them into, we insult them anyway, calling them "sluts", "whores" and "gold diggers" who are just looking for a come up, or a sugar daddy. The sad reality is that the "home" isnt a very safe place for women. It's where they suffer brutality at the hands of their intimate partners or family members. Statistics show that 1 in 3 women and 1in 6 men have been, or currently are victims of sexual assualt or abuse. A women in this country is beaten every 18 seconds. But, by all means, force her to to have a baby, so that it can be raped or beaten by a family member, abandonded by it's father, emotionally neglected by one or both parents, (who were forced into parenthood), or live in extreme poverty where the only chance it has to survive is by becoming a gang member, or a prostitute in a sex trafficking ring. Great plan, "pro lifers".
Brunswick says2017-08-02T04:04:30.2765356Z
You can't legally remove organs from a dead body without their consent given while they were alive. Why would we give a dead body more rights to their bodily integrity than we give to women who are living and breathing above ground. A woman should nott be forced to do anything with her body that she doesn't choose to do. This issue is more about policing womends sexuality than it is about saving unborn lives. If any one on the "pro life" WAS actually for LIFE, then they wouldn't let people die on the streets or starve to death, or live in extreme poverty. As soon as this unborn child takes its first breath, the "pro lifers" wash their hands of it, claiming that its not their problem and or saying things like "why should I pay taxes for somebody else's kid" and "if you cant afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have them" or like "she should have kept her legs crossed", "all these women are lazy and mooching of the system, having children just to get more welfare money" We've created a terrible system in which women (and minorities) have purposely been left behind, at a disadvantage...... For which we then, blame them for, as we cut, slash & take away every program and any and all chances they might have at making a decent life for themselves and their children. We almost force our ideal "morality " onto them, shaming them for being single mothers, and leaving them with one option left, which is to find a husband so our fantasy utopia of white picket fences and June Cleaver returns to the way we falsely remember as the "good ol' days"' If they try to go along with this supposed "moral path" that we shame them into, we insult them anyway, calling them "sluts", "whores" and "gold diggers" who are just looking for a come up, or a sugar daddy. The sad reality is that the "home" isnt a very safe place for women. It's where they suffer brutality at the hands of their intimate partners or family members. Statistics show that 1 in 3 women and 1in 6 men have been, or currently are victims of sexual assualt or abuse. A women in this country is beaten every 18 seconds. But, by all means, force her to to have a baby, so that it can be raped or beaten by a family member, abandonded by it's father, emotionally neglected by one or both parents, (who were forced into parenthood), or live in extreme poverty where the only chance it has to survive is by becoming a gang member, or a prostitute in a sex trafficking ring. Great plan, "pro lifers".
tnha.nguyen says2017-09-04T17:07:50.3938324Z
How about the case that unplanned pregnant women are lack of sex education? Of course, there aren't enough options.
tnha.nguyen says2017-09-04T17:08:41.1488950Z
How about the case that unplanned pregnant women are lack of sex education? Of course, there aren't enough options.
tnha.nguyen says2017-09-04T17:09:40.6632765Z
How about the case that unplanned pregnant women are lack of sex education? Of course, there aren't enough options.
erica.t says2017-10-16T23:51:44.8532155Z
If you don't want to have kids. Just don't have sex. It's basically exterminating a life. And for all you dumb asses there, a fetus is not a clump of cells. By the 5th week, it is developing a circulatory system. 7th week, the baby can move around and nerve cells form. Also for all those people saying its the mother choice because it is her body is completely bull. The baby has a different DNA than the mother does. Also if it is her body she shouldn't have sex in the first place or at least put some birth control. They are basically having self pleasure and are willing to take a life away afterwards. If a mother can't financial support the baby she shouldn't have sex. Having a baby means taking sacrifice, and if you can't do that don't have sex. Also rape does not justify all the other scenarios to have abortion. I In the end, it is not a clump of cells as many pro choice activist think as it is a life being that can actually feel pain. So for all those people who support abortion saying this cliche pro choice statements please stop.
Thinkandthink says2017-11-11T16:09:51.0103346Z
No and yes. If the pregnancy endangers the mother's health, or the mother gets raped, there should be a right to abort. But when there is no valid excuse for it, I cannot stand by abortion, because you are impossibilitating future life and pretty possibly killing a living being.
Thinkandthink says2017-11-11T16:10:48.9491060Z
No and yes. If the pregnancy endangers the mother's health, or the mother gets raped, there should be a right to abort. But when there is no valid excuse for it, I cannot stand by abortion, because you are impossibilitating future life and pretty possibly killing a living being.
Thinkandthink says2017-11-11T16:27:02.9413495Z
No and yes. If the pregnancy endangers the mother's health, or the mother gets raped, there should be a right to abort. But when there is no valid excuse for it, I cannot stand by abortion, because you are impossibilitating future life and pretty possibly killing a living being.
videogameboysean says2017-11-23T05:11:23.4529612Z
It's murder and there's really nothing more to it. It's basically a Holocaust for unborn children .
videogameboysean says2017-11-23T05:16:11.6960089Z
It's murder and there's really nothing more to it. It's basically a Holocaust for unborn children . And you can call it a choice all you want, but you also have the choice to take birth control or to tell your boyfriend to wear a damn condom or just not have sex. Sex had consequences deal with them! As for abortion in the case of rape, doesn't that make you worse than the rapist for killing an unborn child? I think so.
videogameboysean says2017-11-23T05:16:59.7599170Z
It's murder and there's really nothing more to it. It's basically a Holocaust for unborn children . And you can call it a choice all you want, but you also have the choice to take birth control or to tell your boyfriend to wear a damn condom or just not have sex. Sex had consequences deal with them! As for abortion in the case of rape, doesn't that make you worse than the rapist for killing an unborn child? I think so.
videogameboysean says2017-11-23T05:19:33.5145026Z
It's murder and there's really nothing more to it. It's basically a Holocaust for unborn children . And you can call it a choice all you want, but you also have the choice to take birth control or to tell your boyfriend to wear a damn condom or just not have sex. Sex had consequences deal with them! As for abortion in the case of rape, doesn't that make you worse than the rapist for killing an unborn child? I think so.
frop says2018-01-21T23:23:47.0868135Z
Ye
Zenjar says2018-01-30T17:39:10.7954725Z
Abortions are just cruel. And it's annoying seeing other people choosing the ignorant answers.
Ms.Morales07 says2018-02-08T20:22:30.0426731Z
Yes, because its the mothers right, and only if the abortion takes place before the fetes becomes a baby. People say that it is murder but it is NOT the same thing, if an abortion takes place when it is only a fetes your not murdering anything because there is nothing to murder. AND it is the mothers right, just like if a woman gets plastic surgery, it is her body and no one should be allowed to tell her what she can and cant do with it.
Ms.Morales07 says2018-02-08T20:23:16.5462731Z
Yes, because its the mothers right. People say that it is murder but it is NOT the same thing, if an abortion takes place when it is only a fetes your not murdering anything because there is nothing to murder. AND it is the mothers right, just like if a woman gets plastic surgery, it is her body and no one should be allowed to tell her what she can and cant do with it.
Ms.Morales07 says2018-02-08T20:32:06.1662731Z
Yes, because its the mothers right. People say that it is murder but it is NOT the same thing, if an abortion takes place when it is only a fetes your not murdering anything because there is nothing to murder. AND it is the mothers right, just like if a woman gets plastic surgery, it is her body and no one should be allowed to tell her what she can and cant do with it.
ChloeGeorge says2018-02-17T11:31:55.9300246Z
It should only be allowed if it is a case of, the mother is in danger if she gives birth, or rape, because a baby deserves the chance to live just like all of us
faceinthecrowd says2018-03-05T02:30:39.6232219Z
The act of the abortion is up to the woman, but the man should have options as well. Should the woman decide to have the child, the father should be able to 'abort' his parental obligations in good time to allow the woman to decide whether or not to abort (or take some other route).
tylerxn says2018-03-08T03:16:54.5878311Z
It is NOT the mother's life. They are exterminating another life.
MillerJ10 says2018-03-21T18:33:10.9940796Z
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dianep says2018-05-29T09:48:30.6791532Z
If the fetus is viable, then you are simply killing a baby.
wowzers1234 says2018-07-09T13:46:57.6897335Z
Free rights init
thibault114488 says2018-07-10T23:22:22.9419899Z
Only if the mother literally needs to abort the baby to live, because in all other circumstances it's killed because of its inconvenience. Even if the mother was raped that simple fact remains. As to why a fetuses life matters more than a womans inconvenience it's simple, because whether you think it's a human life or a potential human life surely that matters more than your convenience?
Jinsel says2018-07-11T03:40:20.3483941Z
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SourceBaker says2018-08-09T15:23:08.2057992Z
The very fact that you think you have rights to tell me what I can or can't do, Means you are enemy and deserve death sentence
bluyee1 says2018-08-24T21:00:02.3867851Z
Pro-choice
PlasticShoe says2018-09-06T15:10:08.3970514Z
E
Just_Fun says2018-11-08T13:58:05.6416716Z
Abortion shouldn't be legal because it's just as bad as killing a baby that's only three hours old (honestly, Would you do that? ). The only times where I think it should be legal is if the mother's life is in danger and abortion is the only option. I mean real physical danger, Not emotional danger like she's scared. If you made the choice to do it then you have to pay the price. But I'd gladly support any programs for young/unprepared mothers, I know I'd want a program like that if this happened to me
Donn646 says2018-11-10T03:52:16.3808955Z
All though it is a horrible situation to find yourself in, It is a choice that only the woman can make. Not the government
RubyLT says2018-12-19T19:04:03.5267436Z
I am pro-choice, Meaning I believe not in abortion, But a woman's right to CHOOSE what is right for her.
RhysCogbill says2019-04-24T16:16:01.1010893Z
I think it should be legal if the mother's life is in danger and that is the only case for me
RhysCogbill says2019-04-24T16:16:59.0718041Z
I think that abortion should be legal only in the case of the mother's life being at risk.
StevenCrowder says2019-04-25T08:37:59.4297680Z
A life is a life. Just because the mother was raped, Does not give her the choice of killing an innocent being. It's like killing a person that is in a vegetative state while in a coma. Except you know the person will wake up in about 9 months, Exactly like this. It's morally incorrect and the mother always will feel depressed for the rest of her life. Unless she is a hooker.
StevenCrowder says2019-04-25T08:40:55.9315622Z
@SourceBaker That is disgusting. How dare you say that to a person supporting his own ideologies. I am disgusted at how you could say to someone they "deserve the death penalty" when all they said was "I believe a terminated pregnancy is a terminated life" You are sick in the head.
Sanriomp4 says2019-05-07T17:07:46.3852338Z
Theres no reason for it to be

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