Should bakeries have the right to not bake cakes for homosexual ceremonies?

Posted by: NewLifeChristian

Recently, a Texas bakery has received some heavy criticism for not baking a cake for a homosexual couple. Should they have the right to refuse to bake cakes for homosexual ceremonies? Read more:

  • Yes, bakeries should have the right to refuse to bake cakes for homosexual ceremonies.

  • No, bakeries should not have the right to refuse to bake cakes for homosexual ceremonies.

54% 57 votes
46% 49 votes
  • Absolutely. Religious liberty is a basic human right, and basic human rights are important and essential to make a society successful.

  • It is a private business.

  • If it's a private business, the owner should decide. It's their business, if they choose to act like they are living in the dark ages, let them; it will only hurt their image and sales(discriminating against potential costumers and motivate many others to refuse their service).

  • I believe a business should be allowed to refuse service to homosexuals when and only when it relates to marriage. For example, I believe a wedding planner or a florist should not have to cater to a gay wedding. But I do not believe that any business can simply refuse service to homosexuals. For example, I don't believe a barber should be allowed to refuse to a cut a gay man's hair, or something of that nature.

  • Although you could say it is insensitive, the government should not be able to regulate business to this extent.

    Posted by: qwzx
  • For the sake of their personal freedom to hold the beliefs they do, I think it should be allowed. However it would be good if it was easier to differentiate which places do accept gay marriage and which do not, to avoid the conflicts it can cause.

  • I mean if it is a private business it should be up to the owner. But personally, what's wrong with homosexual couples? They're human beings too.

  • Should they also be forced to make cakes for satanists, NAMBLA, and terrorist groups too? WTF is wrong with you people...

  • For property rights. Not so called "religious liberty".

  • As people who live in America, we all have the right to pick and choose who we offer our services to.

  • Sadly i have to side with the Homophobes on this one. Private businesses have the right to reject people who are disrespectful or belligerent. so wouldn't they also be allowed to choose to deny any person for any reason they chose? I hate agreeing to this side of the argument, but i feel that this is a synonymous situation.

  • A privately owned business has the right to make their own decisions on who they serve. If an Atheist baker doesn't want to make a cake for a Christian couple they should not be forced to. Likewise a Christian/Jewish/Muslim bakery should have the right to not participate in things that go against their principles.

    Posted by: kperry
  • We have the freedom to choose mmmkay

  • They should choose who they want and don't want to serve.

  • I'm not anti-gay or religious, but I feel that people have the right to run their own business under a capitalist society, they just have to be willing to lose business.

    Posted by: Molotv
  • Let the free market handle it! If people want to refuse a group goods/services, let them. They will lose business, but don't make them violate their beliefs!

    Posted by: BenD
  • They have the right to deny them, the constitution protects religion not the lack of. Go find another bakery i see no reason to sue over something so simple. Store owners are supposed to be able to deny service to anyone for any reason, but gays seem to have this magic forcefield that protects them from the rules of everyone else.

  • First of all, it is a private business and overall government should have nothing to do with it. However, as a Christian, it is not christ-like to deny someone service in a discriminatory or hateful way. Christians should be allowed to exercise their religion but in the way that Christ has intended us to. Also, gay couples shouldn't sue a business just because they don't believe in gay marriage. There are other bakeries out there that will accept.

    Posted by: KZC
  • Technically, it is the right of the store-owner to deny anyone their business.

  • But only for homosexual weddings. I do not believe in denying homosexuals service just because they are gay. But bakeries should have the right to deny service for making cakes for homosexual weddings as it might violate their beliefs to do so. People on the no side say this is discrimination, but it really isn't. If the baker refused to serve a homosexual simply because they were homosexual, then yes that is discrimination, but if they only refuse them service because the homosexual wants the baker to make the cake that supports something that goes against her beliefs then, no that is not discrimination. It is just refusing to make someone something that supports something they disagree with. Would you say a pro-gay baker should be obligated to make a bake that says, "support gay marriage?" I hardly doubt it. So why should religious people do the same?

    Posted by: SegBeg
  • They are not refusing to serve a person; they are refusing to participate in a service that celebrates something to which they are morally opposed. Big difference. We need not agree with people's decisions or lifestyles in order to treat them with respect, but we should also respect those who would be violating their conscience to use their business to support something that so seriously violates their faith.

    Posted by: K8
  • If fags are allowed to get married, then people are allowed to refuse.

  • The law clearly states that companies cannot discriminate against people based on their religious convictions. If someone wants a bakery to bake a cake for them, and that cake contains nothing illegal or vulgar, the bakery cannot deny them the service they advertise. Religious freedom in a secular state like the US does not mean you can choose who to serve based on whether or not they are gay. It means that you cannot discriminate based on religion. People who refuse to bake cakes for people simply because they don't like their sexuality are bigots. If your religion said that you cannot serve black people cakes, I don't think people would be so quick to rush to the bakery's defense who refused service to black people. This is no different.

    Posted by: Borg47
  • Being intolerant of intolerance brings equality.

    Posted by: reece
  • I actually agree with the ladder, radicals can refuse to bake a cake promoting homosexuality. I'm only voting on this to spite OP's typical biased polls.

  • No, that is discriminating and that is wrong. How would you like it if a bakery refused to make a cake for your wedding because you were a girl or because you wore glasses. The point I I'm trying to make is discriminating is wrong.

    Posted by: TobyJL
  • I'm Christian, but I feel like everybody should be accepted for who they are, not if they are homosexual or heterosexual.

    Posted by: nwm200
  • Bakeries are not churches.

  • NewLifeChristian, you are a disgusting person. Refusing to bake cakes for someone of a certain sexual orientation is just plain bigotry no matter how you see it. I thought this was the "land of equality and opportunity"? I believe in following the Constitution, not burning it. Your pictures must be swapped.

    Posted by: benhos
  • I worked for a Chik-fil-a for about two years, and as many people know, it's basically a Christian based company. However, in my two years there, not only did we never turn down a customer for religious reasons, i'm fairly sure one of the shift-leaders was homosexual. To say that a business can refuse people based on religious ideology alone is comparable to a Muslim working for the dmv who refuses to issue driver's licenses to women. Everyone would be horrified if that happened. So why are we people from other religions get away with it?

  • Separation of church and state--it's as simple as that. Besides, as long as you're making a profit from a sale, what does it matter who you're selling a cake to?

  • Bakeries shouldn't have the right to not bake cakes for homosexual seramonies based on the fact they are homosexualas. This could be viewd simarlerly to that of racial, religious or disability ceremonies

  • This is just like those stupid "Religious Liberty" laws that are trying to be passed. People should NOT hide behind religion to discriminate against ANYONE. Last time I checked, Jesus taught us to love others, not hate.

  • Because it's their fucking job to make cakes.

  • A business cannot deny service to someone based on their orientation. You can have your religious beliefs, but not if they take away the rights of others. The Civil Rights Act prohibits privately owned places that are accommodating the public from discrimination based on race, religion, or national origin.

  • Get out of the business world if you want to discriminate or be prepared to be prosecuted.

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NewLifeChristian says2016-03-10T22:20:49.0149407Z
Well, what do you know! It looks like we have yet another anti-religious liberty liberal on Debate.Org . . .
Borg47 says2016-03-10T22:27:11.4272923Z
I don't know if you are familiar with how a debate works, but usually it involves people who disagree with each other. Did you expect to not get people disagreeing with you on debate.Org? You might be looking for christiancirclejerk.Com, but otherwise, I would like to hear a rebuttal of my argument rather than your complaints about my religious or political affiliations.
reece says2016-03-10T22:31:09.8904209Z
@NewLifeChristian What would that make you? A tribalist?
snkcake666 says2016-03-10T22:40:50.4173451Z
@reece Well, I would not go there. Independents can often be an assortment of conformity and rebellion.
TBR says2016-03-10T22:51:39.9895061Z
@Borg47 - You are doing this poll just right. Keep it up, no need to say much more. Christiancirclejerk.Com - great.
reece says2016-03-10T22:59:30.5260651Z
@snkcake666 I don't see the relevance?
reece says2016-03-10T23:30:30.3589519Z
@stschiffman What if a gay man was getting his hair cut for his wedding?
SamStevens says2016-03-10T23:43:06.7911471Z
Newlifechristian: What if the only gas station for miles refused service for a gay couple low on gas during a road trip?
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-10T23:51:10.6063523Z
@SamStevens That's a totally different case. That case has nothing to do with homosexual "marriage". The gas station in that scenario should be required to cater to the homosexual couple.
SamStevens says2016-03-10T23:52:19.6849235Z
Say they were going to a marriage.
reece says2016-03-10T23:55:37.5915979Z
@NewLifeChristian You guys think your Rosa Parks, but you're just the old lady telling her to sit at the back of the bus.
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-11T00:38:11.9975865Z
@Borg47 Sure, I'll rebut your argument with one word: freedom. In case you didn't realize, our nation was founded upon freedom principles. A private business (key word: private) should have the right to deny service to anyone they wish to deny service to (with the exception of hospitals, and other businesses that provide necessary services). So, let me ask you this question: Do you think a bakery should have the right to refuse to bake a cake with an anti-homosexuality Bible verse? I think they should, and a bakery that wants to refuse service to homosexuals should have the right to do so, as well.
stschiffman says2016-03-11T01:29:27.6355543Z
@reece I understand you were just mocking me, but in all seriousness, no, the barber should still give him the haircut, even if it's for a wedding.
reece says2016-03-11T06:54:20.6778566Z
@stschiffman Why?
reece says2016-03-11T07:04:58.0043420Z
@NewLifeChristian It depends on the reason. If the person was doing it for discriminatory reasons, then you're just equating gay marriage with intolerance. Do you know how f***ed up that sounds? Should we be tolerant of your intolerance?
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-11T20:15:28.4354738Z
@reece No, you should be tolerant of my religious orientation and respect the fact that the Constitution established religious liberty. Private businesses (with the exception of hospitals and other businesses which provide necessary services) should have the right to deny service to whomever they choose to.
reece says2016-03-11T20:28:39.8872360Z
@NewLifeChristian There's a fine line between religious liberty, and hate crimes.
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-11T20:34:10.5254446Z
@reece Are you joking? You ACTUALLY think refusing to bake a cake for a homosexual "wedding" is a hate crime? I don't think you realize what a hate crime actually is.
reece says2016-03-11T20:36:13.6161445Z
@NewLifeChristian There is a reason why i said there's a fine line.
stschiffman says2016-03-11T21:18:37.0408484Z
@reece Because even if he's getting his haircut for a wedding, the barber still isn't taking part in a wedding. The baker is taking part in the wedding, but the barber is not.
snkcake666 says2016-03-11T21:45:04.9573298Z
The way I see it is that any private service should be able to deny any customer service, regardless of reasons. After all, it is their loss of credibility and finances if they begin turning down customers over such petty reasons. But there is no moral obligation to force them to serve someone, especially if it infringes on their fundamental beliefs.
reece says2016-03-11T21:49:39.8987794Z
@stschiffman They're both products. I don't see the difference?
peetaur says2016-03-12T00:39:46.3301571Z
Also, it grossly exceeds the role of government to enforce such things.
Texas14 says2016-03-18T00:13:32.9630814Z
@NewLifeChristian, you only have religious liberty so long as you're not affecting other people. Your absolutist version of religous Liberty is such a slippery slope. There are many religions that have human and animal sacrifice. Do they have the religious freedom to do human sacrifice.
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-18T14:32:32.2487781Z
@Texas14 Refusing to bake a cake for a homosexual "marriage" is a lot different than sacrificing humans for religious practices, for one. Secondly, I thought you were a libertarian. Aren't you folks in favor of private businesses having the freedom to make their own decisions?
snkcake666 says2016-03-18T15:18:07.3176494Z
@NLC Yeah, that is a good point. Libertarian principles are strictly no interference, until one has directly infringed upon ones life, liberty, or property. However, as a private business, bakeries are not inclined to serve any customers they do not wish, else their own liberties were infringed upon.
Texas14 says2016-03-18T15:23:46.8536121Z
@NewLifeChristian, yes I am. But not for "religious liberty" reasons. For property rights. If you own a store, you get to say who comes in. Because again, you only have religious liberty as long as you don't adversely affect other people.
NewLifeChristian says2016-03-19T00:15:34.3975418Z
@Texas14 Well, all I can say is I'm glad you support bakeries' rights to serve whomever they want to.
Danimal4NU says2016-04-19T03:23:19.5432166Z
I could accept every private entity being able to choose whom they serve based upon whatever criteria they choose. But I think it's ridiculous to make a law giving special privilege to discriminate against certain people based on a stated religious preference. We should all be equal in terms of the law.
bowman531 says2016-05-05T02:53:46.0360031Z
So if i denied service to someone who was a known child sex offender no one would blame me be cause they agree with me but when i deny someone because they're gay i get sued. -__- wtf guys.
bowman531 says2016-05-05T02:57:55.5752027Z
And it's not a religious thing it's just showing extreme favor to one type of person. All hale the third reich and glory to the master race.

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