• Yes biased polls are biased

  • Obviously, we don't need no biased polls around here

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58% 7 votes
  • Banned? certainly not.

    Posted by: TBR
  • They're as much a part of Debate as they are apart of us :D #compassion

  • It's a way to create herd mentality when voting. This in turn has an influence on the result. HOWEVER over a prolonged period it doesn't work. When you see what they are saying on TV doesn't match with the reality on the ground....all it creates is resentment of the polls & the establishment that promote them. In the UK everything they do to discredit UKIP is backfiring.

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cludwig says2015-04-13T10:14:04.6715340-05:00
Biased polls can sometimes be entertaining. I would be happy to see all the racist, neo-Nazi and homophobic poles banned however. They are more of a problem.
GDBH says2015-04-13T10:26:24.1004575-05:00
A biased poll about banning biased polls? I know a lot of DDO users (and people in general) are opposed to biased polls, but this is the ultimate hypocrisy. ):[
PetersSmith says2015-04-13T10:56:30.1055993-05:00
In certain cases they do violate the TOS and count as spam.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T11:03:37.3006453-05:00
Okay two things. 1. This is a biased poll so this is pretty hypocritical. And 2. I thought you believed in "freedom" Wylted? You love going on and on about people, mainly liberals like myself, being against "freedom" but you want to ban people having the "freedom" to make and post biased polls?
Wylted says2015-04-13T11:08:11.7041635-05:00
Freedom means negative rights and a private company banning biased polls is not a violation of freedom (negative rights). If that companies clients are sick of biased polls, maybe they should cave.
Kreakin says2015-04-13T11:35:26.3484941-05:00
I think the mod is doing ok deciding tbh.
Kreakin says2015-04-13T11:42:26.8035736-05:00
Biased poll maker abides by rules....See what I did there...
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T11:42:42.1857185-05:00
How are negative rights applied here exactly? DDO is a public site and like all public places, there are a set of rules everyone must abide by this includes prohibition of spam, posts that insult other members etc...
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T11:44:20.0420093-05:00
But for someone who believes in "freedom" I personally don't see why you would be against people having the freedom to post as much bias as they want.
GDBH says2015-04-13T11:51:35.7700365-05:00
Biased polls are a freedom of speech violation.
Wylted says2015-04-13T11:55:43.0860949-05:00
Brian, you seem confused by my philosophy. I mean Jesus Christ, just learn about negative rights, so you can know how a private corporation censoring people on their site isn't a violation of negative right. Also, please be intelligent enough to know, that somebody can believe in freedom of speech being legal and smack the hell out of their kid for swearing and it not being a violations or cobtradiction of philosophy.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T11:56:05.4595297-05:00
GDBH, how? Nobody is forcing us to vote on them, or even comment "biased poll" on them which is what a lot of us, me included, do on a daily basis.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T11:59:31.4098122-05:00
Wylted, that's utterly ridiculous and hypocritical. The difference is, we are not your children, you have the right to disipline them however you please, so long as it doesn't break the law. My point was, it only seems like you believe in "freedom" when it's convenient for you, when YOU thing something is okay and that it the very definition of hypocrisy.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:00:22.7089249-05:00
Think, not thing
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:04:13.4738077-05:00
No I believe in freedom even when I disagree with it. A business is basically to be regarded as a private individual and it's wrong to violate their freedom by saying they can't restrict freedom of speech on their premises. You on the other hand are hippocritical. You think it should be illegal for a business to discriminate in ways you find inappropriate, but should be legal in cases where you find the discrimination appropriate. I think they should be allowed to discriminate based on circumstances that I find appropriate or inappropriate. They should be allowed that freedom.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:08:04.8405830-05:00
"You think it should be illegal for a business to discriminate in ways you find inappropriate, but should be legal in cases where you find the discrimination appropriate." - Such as? I don't believe in discrimination under any circumstances unless someone breaks the law in some way (example: refusing service to someone who is harassing other people) or violates someone else's rights, so you're lying and making false accusations and assumptions about what I believe to deflect away from your own hypocrisy.
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:10:18.7072425-05:00
So you're okay with a business discriminating against a gay couple by not catering their wedding? Or do you pick and choose what type of discrimination is okay?
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:15:48.3423901-05:00
What? I asked give me examples of this so called "hippocracy" you accuse me of regarding my beliefs on discrimination. And seeing as serving a gay couple and catering their wedding doesn't directly violate anyone else's rights or break the law, it's not justified.
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:17:03.3775956-05:00
What you need to see as that ethics/morals is an ever changing value, and in order for a government to never infringe on the freedom of the people it needs to stick to it's proper role, and the proper role of government unlike ethics, is constant, has never changed and never will change. The role of government is to protect negative rights.
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:19:29.2085358-05:00
You still didn't answer my question. What about my beliefs on discrimination are hypocritical?
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:30:29.6066804-05:00
You're for discrimination being outlawed in some situations and legal in others. You need to figure out whether government should be able to decide whether people should be allowed to discriminate or not. Which is it? Does government get to tell me who I'm allowed to do business with or should I be able to take on whatever clients I want? I answered how you were hippocritical. You are okay with discrimination when it is a type of discrimination you agree with such as the discriminating by not allowing criminals to be clients in an example you mentioned, but you're not okay with people choosing to not cater a gay wedding. So make up your mind. Is it okay for me to pick and choose my clients or should the government choose for me?
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:33:47.5957584-05:00
"You're for discrimination being outlawed in some situations and legal in others." - Such as? I still don't see any specific examples or evidence proving this to be true.
TBR says2015-04-13T12:35:28.9981161-05:00
Wylted - I so don't want to jump into your argument, but the puzzle piece you are missing is government protections. The issue with the laws regarding "cake baking" (so minimizing the issue, but you get the point) is that you can NOT get your protections FROM the government for discrimination. If you wanted to sue DDO for violations of free speech, you should be able to. You will loose, and I can tell you why, but that is another discussion. The laws with businesses have to do with the rights to be PROTECTED from litigation BY THE GOVERNMENT. Do you understand that?
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:41:03.0167513-05:00
Brian in this very thread, you stated situations where discrimination is okay. Do you really expect me to copy and paste that for you?
Wylted says2015-04-13T12:42:39.3442813-05:00
No TBR, I don't quite understand what you're saying. I'm speaking on the proper role of government, and I believe you may be discussing the actual role as opposed to proper, maybe you can clear that up for me and help me to understand
briantheliberal says2015-04-13T12:53:08.1329581-05:00
Oh I see, kicking someone out of your restaurant for harassing other customers or banning someone from a store for stealing is hypocrital and somehow comparable to denying a gay couple a freakin cake? Basically with you its 'all or nothing,' or should I say 'all except what you find acceptable.' We have protection class laws for a reason.
Wylted says2015-04-13T13:06:59.2328473-05:00
Not hippocritical from a business owners standpoint, but should be treated the same when legislating. I'm not sure how you struggle with this. I know ethics is clear to you now and you think we are at a time where government can know the difference, but people 100 years from now, will see your everyday actions as unethical, just like we do for people alive 100 years ago. Writing these things into law, means we are forcing a society a hundred years from now to bow to our morals. Laws are easy to implement, but they are next to impossible to get rid of. This is why we should be extremely slow at making them but fast at getting rid of them. Did you know that because of people like you, the average American unknowingly commits 3 felonies a day?
GDBH says2015-04-13T14:13:44.3075856-05:00
Ok maybe it isnt a freedom of speech violation, but it sure is being an @$$hole.
Renegader says2015-04-13T15:56:55.1421849-05:00
Should be considered a freedom of speech violation, even in the "public" sphere.
TBR says2015-04-13T15:57:59.8385481-05:00
@Renegader - Why?

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