• Yes

  • No

12% 5 votes
88% 35 votes
  • Lets get real...churches are businesses. Christians cherry pick what they want to believe. the whole thing about love can only be between one man and one women is total bs. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines and he seemed to be one of gods favorites.

    Posted by: reece
  • It's a form of discrimination, either marry all consenting adults or none. It is the only way

  • I vote yes because there are gay Christians who want a traditional Christian wedding. I noticed that the church do not object marrying people who eat pork, shell fish, sex out of marriage, wore mixed fabrics, works on Sunday (which is a pagan day), etc. etc. It is just another contradiction.

    Posted by: Najs
  • Church is about acceptance

  • You would take away someone's freedom to provide someone else with a choice to do something on that first person's property?

  • If gays have a right to get married then preachers should have a right to choose whether or not to marry them. It's only fair.

  • However the church would have to follow a set of rules because of its discriminatory nature and the fact that its a tax exempt institution.

  • Duh. I'm obviously going to take the side of the truism.

  • Churches have special rights to be d1cks.

    Posted by: TBR
  • They shouldn't be forced to act against their religious beliefs.

  • I believe most gays are secular anyway. Gay Christians probably belong to churches that do accept gay marriage, so it's not a problem. Besides, I'm against the idea of wedding in churches anyway. It diverts attention from the familial element, which is the true meaning of marriage, to religion.

  • No, I'm Pro gay-marriage, but it's their choice. Also, I can't imagine why anyone would want to get married in a place where their marriage won't even be recognized.

  • Why would you force anyone to do anything against their will? We live in a free country. Right? I said "Right?"!? I'm looking at you Democrat Party!

  • Why don't we just make Muslims eat ham too!

  • It is their right to deny a same sex religious ceremony, whether people like it or not. Deal with it.

  • I think they should do the weddings, but i dont think chirches should be forced to. Theres a million things churches wont do already. Divorce and all that.

    Posted by: Stefy
  • Churches are for people of faith, gays have no place in the church. It would not be right to force people to do something that they do not think is right. It is not discrimination because if your gay you can not really call yourself a christian because your going against christian teachings.

  • As an openly gay man, I believe that no church should be forced to marry someone they do not want to. However, I also believe that ONLY churches can refuse to participate in gay weddings. Any other businesses should cater to all.

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reece says2015-06-28T19:20:13.4573500-05:00
The bible is full of contradictions.
russian_metaphor_man says2015-06-28T19:21:37.0905583-05:00
^what?
reece says2015-06-28T19:24:45.7692730-05:00
What do you mean "what?"?
russian_metaphor_man says2015-06-28T19:26:57.3179164-05:00
It seems sort of off topic
reece says2015-06-28T19:29:05.0705996-05:00
Not really.
russian_metaphor_man says2015-06-28T19:32:40.9827695-05:00
Religious tradition does not solely come from the bible
reece says2015-06-28T19:33:52.9538643-05:00
@russian_metaphor_man pretty much none of it does.
russian_metaphor_man says2015-06-28T19:35:15.9096603-05:00
So as I said "what?"
reece says2015-06-28T19:35:23.6474091-05:00
I mean Christianity is made up from a bunch of story's.
reece says2015-06-28T19:36:26.2584137-05:00
Of religious story's*
reece says2015-06-28T19:48:24.4006300-05:00
https://youtu.be/3NLXTGesqxA?t=185 Run from the time I've stopped it at.
Najs says2015-06-28T20:13:38.3361811-05:00
There are gay Christians who want a traditional Christian wedding and there are those who just want to marry in a church. I noticed that the church do not object marrying people who eat pork, shell fish, sex out of marriage, wore mixed fabrics, works on Sunday (which is a pagan day), etc. etc. It is just another contradiction.
russian_metaphor_man says2015-06-28T21:50:00.0725662-05:00
There is no way I am watching santa clause ramble on for 40 min
dmussi12 says2015-06-28T22:01:52.7340260-05:00
@reece How do you get past the free exercise clause though?
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-06-28T22:03:55.4433868-05:00
@dmussi: reece isn't American...
dmussi12 says2015-06-28T22:11:59.0155300-05:00
Oh, didn't know that. Either way I'm glad we have free exercise in the US even as an atheist. Actually especially as an atheist. But it's still a two way street. And I don't think his reason was good anyway...
dmussi12 says2015-06-28T22:14:21.1186627-05:00
I just looked it up: New Zealand (where reece's profile says he lives) still has a Bill of Rights with something very similar to the US's free exercise clause.
TBR says2015-06-28T22:17:27.2770426-05:00
That churches make money is not bad logic for equal application of the law. However, as I point to in my reply, we have a very strong protection for the churches to be jerks in this country. Some churches have been preforming same-sex weddings for a long time, others never will. It is a protection in this country for churches to behave badly in the name of god.
dmussi12 says2015-06-28T22:21:00.0173018-05:00
The law can't do anything to restrict free exercise unless that free exercise infringes on the rights of someone. They aren't preventing anyone from being legally married, just married in their church. Which was NOT considered a fundamental right as marriage (in general) was in the majority opinion.
TBR says2015-06-28T23:35:02.9213725-05:00
@dmussi12 - I am not disagreeing, or saying that they must. I am saying that churches have a right in our constitution a right to behave like general horses a&&es. That is a right I am not denying, or asking to change. I see and recognize their right to be d1cks.
Najs says2015-06-29T00:49:22.6449857-05:00
Although churches should marry gays as they marry everyone else that wouldn't fit biblical criteria, many churches are simply hypocritical. Is it truly important to marry in a church that is hypocritical, demeaning, sometimes hateful, cherry pickers that view you as subhuman?
TBR says2015-06-29T13:35:14.2150482-05:00
@Najs - It is only hypocritical for some interpretations of some religious texts. The Unitarians are christian and have no issue with same-sex weddings.
TBR says2015-06-29T13:36:08.1300318-05:00
@Najs - It is only hypocritical for some interpretations of some religious texts. The Unitarians are christian and have no issue with same-sex weddings. They have been preforming them for a very long time.
Najs says2015-06-29T13:45:03.3139236-05:00
Thank you TBR, that is why I stressed "many", and not all.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-03T11:14:54.4198822-05:00
Dear people in the yes column; May I please direct your attention to the first amendment. Additionally, churches are non-profit, not businesses. The donations you put in that plate every Sunday go to charities, homeless shelters, helping members of the church that may be in financial crisis, etc. Finally, stop trying to force people to do everything you want you intolerant hypocrites. Remember this saying? "Show them the same level of respect you expect to receive in return." it's interchangeable here "Show them the same level of tolerance you expect to receive in return." Finally, let's look at this realistically; do you really want to be the addlepate that trolls the entire religious community?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-03T11:23:45.3720986-05:00
@najs A pagan day? Really? That's what you think it is? You should probably study theology or at least pick up a religious text at least one time prior to making such an ignorant comment. Sunday is Sabbath day. Most recently, it is derived from the Jewish religion meaning the seventh day of the Hebrew calendar. It is commanded by God to be kept as a holy day of rest, as God rested from creation. You know the whole creation of Earth, people, life, etc. I'm not even deep religious and I know that.
russian_metaphor_man says2015-07-03T23:21:43.4128201-05:00
@MakeSensePeopleDont: I will not tolerate intolerance, "Additionally, churches are non-profit, not businesses" the catholic church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-04T00:24:34.2861355-05:00
@russian_metaphor_man OK, first off, the conversation was in regards to the United States, not the world as a whole. Second, the Catholic church is so rich because of its population and their willingness to donate to the church. Also, if you actually study the religion prior to bashing or hating it, you would know that Matthew 19:21 states "Jesus said to him, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.'" Due to these teachings of the word of Jesus, for the past 2,000 years, Catholics have given their gold, jewels, extra cash, and other wealth to the church to distribute to the poor as needed. With the way Catholicism spread, that's a lot of wealth. However, what you fail to realize, again due to lack of research and getting your information from trash outlets, is that the Catholic Church is also the most charitable group in the world. Annually, the Catholic Church spends about $159 Billion a year on charity; $150 Billion to church-affiliated hospitals and institutions of higher education as well as about $9 Billion annually on Catholic Charities. This is only what can be estimated based on individual and business disclosures by companies after receiving donations. Additionally, the Catholic Church reportedly pays for over half of the U.S. Social Services. So, I ask you, what exactly would you like to happen? Do you want the followers of the Catholic Religion to stop following the teachings of their texts? Would you like them to stop donating to the poor? Would you like the Catholic Church to just burn down all their wealth in a big bonfire? Would you like the church to have nothing so the minimum of $160 Billion annually they provide to the poor just disappears and the poor have no one helping them any more? Tell the world Russian Man......What EXACTLY would YOU like to happen?
russian_metaphor_man says2015-07-04T16:35:12.8756367-05:00
@MakeSensePeopleDont: They are still very rich and powerful in the US correct? I never bashed the religion I am a christian. I Don't know why you went on rambling about charity that they donate to when we are talking about marriage. So because the institution donates they are somehow above being discriminative? Now if a select group of bigots don't want homosexuals to get married I don't think the church should be accepting their tainted money in the first place, with the amount of money the church spends on proselytisation, fineray and temples I doubt they need it. So all those straw man arguments that had nothing to do with what we were talking about wasted both my time and your time. "What EXACTLY would YOU like to happen" I would like the church to marry gay couples, I thought I made that abundantly clear in my vote.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-11T15:46:51.3225386-05:00
@russian_metaphor_man LOL, you don't remember what you wrote yourself? Here, let me refresh your mind: --- "I will not tolerate intolerance, "Additionally, churches are non-profit, not businesses" the catholic church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world." My response DIRECTLY responds to your comment.
Najs says2015-07-11T20:15:09.3595971-05:00
@MakeSensePeopleDont, I see that you know absolutely nothing about theology. I actually studied years of theology such as the Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) and I come from a very strong religious background. Just because you are offended doesn't change facts nor the past. Sabbath (Friday evening to Saturday) was changed to Dies Solis, sun's day (diēs=“day”; solis, sōl =“sun”) Sunday. If you follow your Bible and are Christian, then you would keep the Sabbath and would worship God on the Sabbath Day (Friday evening through Saturday evening): Exodus 31 12 YHVH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHVH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days YHVH made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’ Judaism, Islam, and some Christian faiths keep the Sabbath: Exodus 20:8-11, Exodus 31:13-17, *Exodus 31:15, Deuteronomy 5:12-15 Observation and remembrance of Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments. NT: Acts 13:13-14, Acts 20:7, Romans 7:12 Majority of Christians during ancient times in Roman area abandoned the Sabbath (Saturday) and adopted Sunday (day of worship to Sun-god) as the new day of worship. Sunday worship is not in the bible. Sunday was originally the weekly holiday in the pagan world. The Greeks, Romans, and other pagans worshiped their pagan gods in the temples on Sunday, particularly worshipping the Sun-god = "Sun-day". Pagans later became Christians, they continued their practice meeting on Sunday into the “Church.” "It is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of Dies Solis, the day of the sun, to which it was sacred." Sunday is associated with the sun. Including Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor, decreed that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest on March 7, 321. Let me guess...You also think Easter, Christmas, December 25th also have no pagan origins as well? Please do yourself a service and start studying theology rather than claiming what you have no knowledge of, other than what your Sunday school teacher taught you. You apparently have no knowledge in this area...That is quite embarrassing for you, ignorant comment and accusation. Here is a starter kit along with names and dates. Do study: http://www.Pantheon.Org/miscellaneous/origin_days.Html , http://biblelight.net/sunday.htm , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath , https://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/sabbath_to_sunday/8.html , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism Also "The cult of Sol Invictus" ("The Unconquered Sun") ...There's much more to write, but I'll stop here.
Najs says2015-07-11T20:20:13.8913178-05:00
@MakeSensePeopleDont, Here are a couple of videos along with the informational I provided above: Constantine Sunday Law Day of The Sun https://m.Youtube.Com/watch?V=70P2kuMNN8w Constantine and the Pagan Sun-Day https://m.Youtube.Com/watch?V=7ZIHwsEyrMI Thus, it is a pagan day.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-11T22:23:50.7256073-05:00
Hey buddy....First off, nobody said anything about pagans. Second, nothing you said had ANYTHING to do with the topic or any of the discussions. Third, Wikipedia is NOT a source, it's trash. Fourth, you said it yourself, it was changed. Guess what...EVERYTHING has been changed in religion. Fifth, it doesn't matter when Sabath day was or is calendar wise, it still holds the same meaning. Sixth, if you seriously studied theology, I would very quickly get my money back because you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Theologians have traced every legitimate religion back thousands of years before religion was religion, in fact, they have now attributed artifacts found in the Americas and Middle East as well as Europe to timelines prior to scientifically accepted origins of man which is now throwing the entire understanding of man in the garbage and forcing scientists to scramble to find a new explanation of where we come from. These "pre-human" times are where these stories come from. Study a group called the Annunaki and you'll start to make actual connections to these tales. Have a good day, hope you didn't waste too many place values on that degree of yours.
Najs says2015-07-12T00:53:05.2064025-05:00
@MakeSensePeopleDont, Hey Pal. My post is obviously relevant to the question poll, as my focus was to mention the contradictions in many churches in the US, including pagan Sunday. You forget too quickly or good at lying to yourself that it was you who chose to respond to me pertaining to me posting pagan Sunday, in which in the bible it is considered a sin to not keep the sabbath day (Friday evening-Saturday) holy or be put to death (do you not read your own bible??) And yet many churches in the US are worked up about gays marrying in the church, claiming gays are going to hell and sinning. Here is your quote you seem to have forgotten: "@najs A pagan day? Really? That's what you think it is? You should probably study theology or at least pick up a religious text at least one time prior to making such an ignorant comment. Sunday is Sabbath day." I refuted your claim that Sunday is NOT Sabbath day, but Friday evening-Saturday is Sabbath day and gave you a history lesson along with providing links, videos, and even bible verses for you. You refused to verify anything or check for yourself, and provided nothing to the table but a childish rant in denial and hand waving dismissal. Then you say "..First off, nobody said anything about pagans."....FYI: Romans were pagans. Your lying to yourself and to me on what you just questioned me about, your post is on this page so lying isn't helping the situation. You first question the reason as of why I attached the word "pagan" to Sunday, then deny writing a long post pertaining to pagan Sunday being Sabbath day lol, your question was answered. I dislike doing work for people who are capable of doing it for themselves, but I dislike even more is someone who lies about what they actually said and still deny facts. Simply do a Google search to answer your question if your not frightened. But, denial for you is much sweeter and you rather attack the messenger. Out of all of the sources I gave, only 2 were wikipedia whivh I thought was more simpler for you in case you found it difficult to understand the other sources I provided, in which you were silent. My post was based on CONTRADICTIONS and many Christians CHERRY PICK (including pagan Sunday) by many US churches, and yet unwilling to marry gays=I answered the question. Of course Sunday was changed, that was my Whole Point = it was Paganized and I provided proof as to How and Why. Constantine's whole "Sunday" speech and the history as to why pagan day over Sabbath is all over the internet and in books. If you believe the bible is God's word, then you should take note that it states people are to be put to death if they break the Sabbath (Friday evening-Saturday). But, if you it no longer matters, then their should be NO problem marrying gays in the church. MakeSensePeopleDont, you just contradicted yourself, which was my WHOLE point. Case closed. I studied theology for fun and because I wanted to learn factual truth...So when it came down to people like you who have no knowledge on anything historical, yet feel their obligated to rant. I never stated what my degree was in, you assumed that for yourself under false pretenses. That's your fault. There's a such thing as a library (where there are books) and the internet (in which your using right now) and a person's willingness to learn before claiming what you do not know. Anyone can do this, even a child. I'll state it again, I noticed that the church do not object marrying people who eat pork, shell fish, sex out of marriage, wore mixed fabrics, worship on Sunday (Pagan day), works on Sunday (which is a pagan day that is assumed as holy), etc. etc. It is just another contradiction, gays have the right to marry in a church if they want. I don't see any purpose continuing this conversation with you when you refuse to read and watch what I provided for you that dismissed your claim, and you often contradict your own statements. Yet you kept ranting what you have no knowledge in and false accusations because you were embarrassed. You talk in circles too much. "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed."-Friedrich Nietzsche MakeSensePeopleDont learn to make sense first before commenting to others' posts.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-12T08:49:55.1763771-05:00
LOL, WTF are you talking about? You jumped in on me and russian talking about the wealth of the Catholic Church.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-07-12T08:50:23.7085942-05:00
Nothing you are saying has ANYTHING to do with the topic....Again....WTF are you talking about?

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