Should creationism and evolution both be taught in public school science classes?

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Only Evolution

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Yes

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No, Evolution should be in Science. Religion as a whole should be taught in theology

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Only Creation

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Disquisition says2013-09-19T01:12:38.2524860-05:00
Well I clearly remember learning about religion in world history (10th grade) but not to the extent evolution was. In world history it's just a subtopic and talks about all the religions that have impacted the world not just creationism-based religions. I don't know about other schools but I did somewhat learn about both. Also, in public schools they really won't dive into the knit and grit of evolution unless you take Ap Bio anyways.
Lordgrae says2013-09-19T14:31:44.0607638-05:00
Yes, I would say that I took about 2 weeks on evolution in ninth grade, then we never talked about it again. Most of that time tough wasn't looking at actual evolution, it was studying things like basic genetics and mutation. We spent the rest of the year not learning about the origin of life.
Lordgrae says2013-09-19T18:45:24.8068989-05:00
Who said only creation?
Rabid.Penguin says2013-09-20T17:06:51.2921362-05:00
I just want people to be taught facts and not propaganda, and I'm talking about from both sides. Why are people taught that all current theories on things (not just evolution) are fact? Why are kids not taught the history of science, where these theories came from and why other theories may have been abandoned. Give kids facts and data and evidence. Teach kids to think for themselves and not be spoon fed everything. Anyway, that's my two cents =p
Skeptikitten says2013-09-20T23:01:08.4038197-05:00
The only propaganda comes from creationists. Creationism and it's duck blind "ID" aren't science- never have been, never will be. There isn't a shred of evidence to support this religious mythology. And the Scientific Method IS one of the first things to be taught to junior high level and high school level kids- no one is taught theories are irrefutable. In fact, one of the basic tenets of what makes science SCIENCE is that it must be falsifiable.
Lordgrae says2013-09-21T07:28:50.3445251-05:00
I was taught last year in Biology the history of these facts, when and where they got the data, how we have expanded evolution with our understanding of genetics, and how evolution effects us today. I wasn't told that evolution was right. I was told that right now its the most complete and evidence supported answer we have right now.
Cowboy0108 says2013-09-25T10:54:00.9611110-05:00
"You take kids to school to learn science. If you want your kids to learn creationism, take them to church. " The problem with this logic is that if they learn evolution in school, which contradicts the creationism from the church. Teach them both, let them decide. Furthermore, refusing to teach creationism is violating freedom of religion. It is the government teaching people that their religion is wrong. The only way to get around it is to teach both, side by side.
GiantSpoonMan says2013-09-25T10:55:49.0590542-05:00
No you have freedom to express your own religion but schools cannot teach religion due to separation of church and state.
Cowboy0108 says2013-09-25T10:59:44.9104885-05:00
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" Does this say anything about separating church and state? No, it says that congress cannot prevent the free exercise of religion and it cannot establish a religion. Teaching creationism alongside evolution does not violate this. Not teaching it falls under preventing the free exercise of religion.
Jingram994 says2013-09-25T11:04:35.5581527-05:00
Well, you do realize the reason that evolution is taught in school and creationism isn't is because evolution is actually backed up by scientific evidence and real-world facts, whereas creationism is a belief directly contrary to actual evidence? Hell, isn't teaching/indoctrinating children to follow and believe *your* religion(not necessarily theirs), in violation of actual evidence, no less, a violation of *their* religious freedom? Refusing to teach creationism is no more a 'violation of religious freedom' than, say, making polygamy or religious discrimination illegal. 'Teaching' *beliefs* specific to certain religions *is* a violation of the religious freedom of all those being taught who don't believe that religion. Enforcing the teaching of certain religious beliefs is a *BIG* violation of separation of church and state *and* religious freedom. 'Freedom of religion' doesn't mean 'freedom to make others follow your religion', it means 'freedom of individuals to have their own religious beliefs'. Forcing certain religious beliefs to be part of the required curriculum is a violation of basic rights and freedoms.
GiantSpoonMan says2013-09-25T11:04:40.8934895-05:00
Teaching Christian belief to students in a science class is ridiculous and is accepting Christianity as the countries religion. You should learn about creationism in a world studies course. Science requires evidence and frankly creationism has none.
Lordgrae says2013-09-25T13:07:44.8755845-05:00
Your also making a dangerous assumption that Christian creation is the only theory with that little evidence out there. When you start making evidence a non-requirement for teaching something as fact, then you open up to every other creation myth ever. Personally, I would rather learn about the fact based evolution, rather than thousands of widely believed creation stories. I don't mind learning about faith in a social studies course. Faith is important to history. Of course it would have to be taught as beliefs of cultures, and not as fact, unless we are talking about historical origins of the religion.
Cowboy0108 says2013-09-26T10:58:18.1986955-05:00
I will concede that microevolution has plenty of evidence. My major issue is with the origin of life. There is no completely reasonable explanation for this that science has developed. There is abiogenisis, which tells that life came from non life. Huh? There is the Big Bang Theory, which tells that there was an explosion and stuff happened. Where did the explosion come from? Either teach creationism alongside Evolution or do not teach anything other than microevolution. Furthermore, much evidence for speciation is also evidence for creationism. For example, analogous structures are structures that are similar from completely different species. Sure, an evolutionist can say that it means they have the same origin, but a creationist can say that it means they have a common creator. As far as constitutionality, " Hell, isn't teaching/indoctrinating children to follow and believe *your* religion(not necessarily theirs), in violation of actual evidence, no less, a violation of *their* religious freedom?" No, it is not. The first amendment only covers government interactions, not parental. "Enforcing the teaching of certain religious beliefs is a *BIG* violation of separation of church and state *and* religious freedom" Again, the constitution NEVER mentions seperation of church and state. "Forcing certain religious beliefs to be part of the required curriculum is a violation of basic rights and freedoms." Forcing a theory that clearly disagrees with a certain religion is also the state imposing upon the right of that religion. If it is unconstitutional to teach creationism, then it is also unconstitutional to teach evolution becasue it involves the state teaching something that clearly goes against Christianity. Either teach both, or neither.
Jingram994 says2013-09-26T11:22:11.7002116-05:00
Evolution has little to nothing to do with theories on the origin of life. Evolution contains both micro and macro-evolution as part of the whole theory; teaching it in less than it's entirety is teaching it incorrectly, and deliberately leaving facts out because it offends certain religious sensibilities and interpretations. Abiogenesis, evolution and the big bang are all separate scientific theories, and no one is necessary for the others. As well, all three have far more evidence and credibility than any religious argument for the beginning of life, the universe or biodiversity. Also, as to your arguments that it is 'okay' to teach children religious beliefs for no greater reason than their being *your* beliefs... No, that's actually not correct. The constitution is irrelevant here; people have a basic human right to live free of coercion, and to believe what they wish as long as it harms no-one else. Your 'teaching' them your own specific religion from a young age is brainwashing, and a violation of their freedom to choose and hold their own beliefs. Indeed, teaching them to believe religious dogma over actual fact can be very unhealthy psychologically, as well. The US is a *secular* state; religion does not and legally cannot impact on legal issues, nor can it pick and choose which laws it will follow. As religious beliefs are just that, *beliefs*, as opposed to facts, teaching them in an actual learning environment is not 'okay'. Religious freedom is actually one of the 'lesser' freedoms; some religions believe that it's 'okay' to have thirteen wives, or to shoot everyone that doesn't follow their religion. Should we also give them leeway to ignore basic laws and rights whenever it suits them to do so? As well, the supreme court has ruled, as in the case of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints practicing polygamy, that "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices.", so even if your religious beliefs do mandate not teaching evolution, that's just too bad. Your apparent belief that it's 'not okay' to teach *facts* that contradict religious dogma is laughable. Evolution is a *proven* scientific theory; whether or not it contradicts your specific religion is absolutely beside the point. As I've stated, actual religious freedom is designed to protect the freedom of individuals to hold their own beliefs, not the 'freedom' of religious institutions to ignore the law and brainwash children. You cannot legally mandate 'teaching' belief alongside or instead of proven scientific fact because it offends some people, nor can you demand that we not teach certain facts because it goes against unverified and unprovable religious teachings.
Lordgrae says2013-09-26T15:22:34.5751896-05:00
To the person who commented under "only creationism". You claim that students shouldn't have to learn what conflicts with their beliefs. Well, creationism conflicts with my beliefs, and the beliefs of anyone of a different religion, or atheists, and even Catholics who are for intelligent design (god using evolution to create). Your answer falls more under the "no" (neither taught) section.
PatriotUSA says2013-10-02T22:29:09.6310910-05:00
Neither can be unequivocally proven so the facts should be taught for both and allow the individual to decide. The more I studied how perfect the universe works and more advanced study of Dark energy and Dark matter the stronger my belief in creationism gets.
Jingram994 says2013-10-03T00:28:03.0721527-05:00
Well, you can't 'unequivocally prove' *anything* in the real world, going by certain definitions of 'prove'. Evolution is as close to 'proven' as a scientific theory can get, which itself is as close to 'proven' as an idea about how the world works can possibly get. The theory of evolution is literally as close as it's possible to get to 'what actually happens'. Creationism is not like that. It amounts to 'We don't know, so God did it'. Does that sound like it has any amount of proof or fact behind it at all? And which specific creation myth are you planning on making available for teaching? Just your own religion's? That's favoritism, and statistically unlikely to be the 'correct' one. All of them? When would students ever have time for actual classes? And then if they only got to pick one or a few, they would again be statistically unlikely to pick the 'correct' one to learn about.
DebatingPro says2014-01-22T09:43:25.8500574-06:00
I hate how teachers just shove evolution down a child's throat without them thinking otherwise.
Jingram994 says2014-02-03T09:26:59.5153829-06:00
What's to 'think otherwise'? Evolution is factual. Are you stating that we should not teach fact in science classrooms?
Sagey says2014-07-13T07:22:14.4698897-05:00
Yes, Evolution is Factual and Scientific, thus it should be taught as Science. On the other hand Creationism has no Scientific facts supporting it and it is entirely Theological based, so it should never be considered as Scientific, thus never taught in Science classes, as it belongs in Theology classes only. Even in Theology, they should not teach that Creationism is an Alternative To Evolution, because that is a Lie. Even God would not like people teaching lies in Theology classes.
Sagey says2014-07-13T07:24:25.8062897-05:00
This is why Britain has banned Creation from Science classes in government funded institutions, as well as they will withdraw funding from schools that state Creationism is supported by science or that Creationism is an alternative to Evolution in religious classes. Hopefully the United States will follow Britain's lead. Ken Ham will love that!
WillDC22 says2014-12-02T14:52:23.4986613-06:00
My 8th (or 7th, it's been a while) grade teacher taught evolution, but said that the students didn't have to believe it, just to understand it
Jingram994 says2014-12-03T18:53:40.4651226-06:00
That's kind of the thing. You either understand it or you don't; it's scientifically verifiable and the core principles and most mechanisms are literally proven by this point. The only reason to not 'believe' it (belief is a stupid word to use when talking about something that's totally verifiable and proven beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt) is if you don't understand it, or you're being willfully ignorant and dropping facts in favor of certain beliefs that contradict reality.
Chubs says2014-12-17T03:34:44.4350873-06:00
Teaching evolution in public schools doesn't impose on any one specific religion on the other hand forcing creationism does. It imposes on every other religion and clearly violates the 1st amendment leaving all other religions creation stories to be ignored. Evolution is the only thing that should be taught because it has been widely accepted and observed by the scientific community.

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