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NewLifeChristian says2016-08-20T16:21:01.7519627Z
@foxxhajti So does alcohol, but do you think that should be banned because it "does more harm than good," as well? You see, something should not be illegal simply because of the fact that it "does more harm than good." If this were to be true, then we would have to ban alcohol, fast food, soda, etc for "doing more harm than good." Also, the Human Rights Campaign is a radical homosexual lobbying organization. I wouldn't take anything the HRC says at face value. I'm positive conversion therapy works for some people, but regardless, it is ultimately the adult's choice if they want to go through conversion therapy or not. The government has no place in telling people what therapy they can or cannot partake in.
Throwback says2016-08-20T16:23:31.2175196Z
So much for accuracy. My vote is no, but the page failed to load correctly. Just one more step in banning anything not atheist.
Nuka-Social says2016-08-20T16:27:43.6009351Z
The idea of being able to force people to deny who they are is appalling. Of course, it should be banned. It's unethical and dogmatic. Prudishness needs to go.
Throwback says2016-08-20T16:31:22.3530243Z
Pedophile therapy also should not be banned, nor therapy for any other disorder or mental or behavioral defect.
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T16:32:11.4260408Z
@NewLifeChristian I don't see a correlation between alcoholism and gay conversion therapy. I believe restrictions on the consumption of alcoholic beverages should be made. Alcohol isn't always used for the same reasons, while gay conversion therapy has a set goal: the elimination of one's homosexuality. Gay conversion therapy is more harmful than being gay itself, therefore I'd say that it's better to just ban it. Gay conversion therapy is useless, ineffective and fuels self-hatred. It has no benefit whatsoever. The American Psychiatric Association also opposes any psychiatric treatment such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that a patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T16:49:45.8815184Z
@Throwback Pedophilia and homosexuality aren't the same thing. Pedophiles take profit of innocent children who can't give their consent while possibly harming their underdeveloped bodies, while homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.
Throwback says2016-08-20T16:53:15.3506318Z
I think I know what both pedophilia and homosexuality are. Just a few short years ago the disorder of homosexuality was understood. Believe it or not, my morality is dictated neither by governments not shifting, decaying culture. It remains a perverse disorder. That will never change.
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T17:07:08.6523713Z
I don't see the banning of this program as a ban on anything not atheist, I see it as a ban on something that interferes with an individual's rights. Homosexuality doesn't have a switch that can be switched off with this program. Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. All of the major medical organizations, including The American Psychiatric Association, The American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics agree that homosexuality is not an illness or disorder, but a form of sexual expression. Freud was the first person that considered it a mental illness, and he himself had later on written that,“[it] cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the human function.” The first test that had been made, to verify if homosexuality is a mental illness or not, was made by Edmund Bergler, who only studied the case histories of eleven gay patients, seven of whom were schizophrenic. Based on such a limited pool of patients, Bergler was widely published on the topic of homosexuality throughout his thirty-year career.
Throwback says2016-08-20T17:13:30.2228657Z
I thought I said this, but these professionals are redefining disorders and perversions to meet decaying societal standards. I don't take right and wrong from doctors, politicians, or the rotting cultures which produce both.
BrendanD19 says2016-08-20T17:17:41.6964777Z
@Throwback you can change your vote
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T17:20:13.4410631Z
Not really. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Throwback says2016-08-20T17:22:23.2470825Z
@Brendan19, I'm not sure how to do that.
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T17:23:18.5074220Z
You just click on the box of the option you want @Throwback
Throwback says2016-08-20T17:30:54.8317973Z
Done. Thank you both. I just made the assumption a vote was irrevocable.
foxxhajti says2016-08-20T17:33:14.9848925Z
You're welcome.
harrytruman says2016-08-20T18:00:56.0580356Z
No one is forcing gay people to convert, so banning people from making a good decision for themselves is very contradictory to the liberal logic behind gay rights.
harrytruman says2016-08-21T02:20:08.6798082Z
For example, many liberals believe that women shouldn't wear skirts because this is "oppressive and controlling," but now guess who is telling women what they cannot wear? These same liberals. Gay people, like everyone else, should be able to make their own choices, if a gay person wants to convert, he should be able to, that is their choice, not the bureaucrats choice.
Throwback says2016-08-21T02:29:18.3489409Z
I am in favor of allowing gay conversion therapy on moral grounds. I am nothing if not consistent: I am opposed to heterosexual conversion therapy on the same principle of morality-homosexuality is immoral. Now ask yourself, are the leftists this consistent? They claim the want to ban gay conversion therapy on alleged grounds of free expression. Are they consistent enough to ban heterosexual conversion therapy on this grounds? Their beliefs are not based on anything as significant as a principle. The agenda drives them to the appropriate belief for the situation.
Nuka-Social says2016-08-21T08:44:40.9465156Z
@harrytruman ; So people (example, parents) can force others into therapies that go against their human nature ... Yeah, no, being against this practice (that doesn't work and harms people) isn't against liberalism. The only people who care if you wear a skirt or a veil are authoritarian conservatives or third-wave feminists, who want to dictate every aspect of your life, and for conservatives, believe in this garbage.
foxxhajti says2016-08-21T09:00:38.1530515Z
@harrytruman Gay conversion therapies aren't even effective. With that logic, we should let people cure their coughs with morphine, heroin and chloroform like they used to in the past...You know, for that extra autonomy. I don't really care about people wearing skirts. I don't see how skirts can be oppressive.
Danimal4NU says2016-08-24T06:47:46.9483799Z
I don't think minors should be pushed into this sort of thing. But if adults want to do it that's their business not yours. Government should be staying out of it.
NewLifeChristian says2016-08-27T02:32:40.8432154Z
@foxxhajti I do. Both need to be restricted, but both can do good. For example, conversion therapy involving hallucinatory drugs and pornography should not be allowed. In addition, drinking parties involving alcohol should not be allowed. Both alcohol and conversion therapy can do good, but they both need to be regulated. In addition, you say that conversion therapy is more harmful than being "gay" itself; however, this is not true. Statistically speaking, the lifespan for homosexuals is nearly 20 years shorter than the general population [https://www.Lifesitenews.Com/news/yet-another-study-confirms-gay-life-expectancy-20-years-shorter]. Also, homosexuals are almost 20% more likely to get AIDS than heterosexuals [https://www.Lifesitenews.Com/opinion/active-homosexuals-18-times-more-likely-to-contract-aids-but-homophobia-is]. Clearly, the homosexual lifestyle has quite a bit of risks. Conversion therapy can help to curb the desires to engage in homosexual behavior, in addition to helping people currently in homosexual relationships to come out of their lifestyle. And the assertion that conversion therapy is useless and ineffective is entirely absurd. Many people successfully go through conversion therapy and begin to enjoy their lives more. Take for instance, Matt Salmon's son [http://www.Christianpost.Com/news/congressmans-gay-son-touts-benefit-from-reparative-therapy-94252/]. He went through conversion therapy, and he now says it helped him. So it is not useless. And finally, the American Psychiatric Association is but another "mental health" group that is heavily influenced by LGBT activism. Like the HRC, I wouldn't take what they about political issues at face value. Regardless, there are still legitimate mental health professionals who believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder [http://borngay.Procon.Org/view.Answers.Php?QuestionID=000024].
harrytruman says2016-08-27T04:38:14.5223355Z
@Nuka-Social Homosexuality is a mental sickness, thus needs to be treated in a way that works, if my kid wanted to brush his teeth with razors because he was born that way whatever that means Up would have him treated.
zach13 says2017-03-05T02:27:19.3833410Z
@NewLifeChristian This is super late, but to anyone else who reads his reply, here's why his argument is probably. For one, homosexuals suffer more stress, depression, and anger due to the oppressive nature of society towards homosexuality. Negative feelings, especially stress, plays a major part in lifespan, decreasing it dramatically. That's one cause of shorter life spans. A second could be conversion therapy/suicide. Self-harm techniques that cause shorter lifespans in general. And in the end, conversion therapy does good on extremely rare occasions. Shido (2002) found that of 202 participants who were going through conversion therapy, only 3% or 8 participants had a successful transition. All of whom were extremely religious or led or participated in religious conducts before beginning conversion therapy. Spitzer (2001) found similar results that only the religious have success with conversion therapy. 88% of participants had no change, suffered from suicidal ideation, depression, extreme and random fears, and other negative feelings and thoughts. The other 9% lost all sex drive completely. So, conversion therapy does much more bad than good. The good it does do, was just a push from a person who sees homosexuality as a mental disorder, when, according to APA amongst almost every other psychological organization (An organization who sets all precedents for psychological tests and require psychology backgrounds to be a part of, not just political), it's not. The AIDs situation comes from not targeting homosexuals with safe sex concepts. Most safe sex talks are applied to a heterosexual public. This creates an awareness of AIDs and protection amongst the heterosexual public but lacks in the homosexual public.

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