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Berend says2015-10-27T00:13:54.6424489Z
Not sure if Bob's trolling or not.
Bob13 says2015-10-27T00:15:36.9804169Z
I'm just saying what I think. I have a tendency to say controversial things.
Berend says2015-10-27T00:21:35.2101058Z
Hey, if you truly think it, then you do. I wont lie, I was a little baffled by it. Not because of your stance, just your form of logic you applied. But hey, to each their own.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-27T21:52:11.9189945Z
I'm not exaclty gay, I'm bi, but gay people are humans too they have the same rights as yes.
stargate says2015-10-27T22:00:10.8448764Z
It is not natural.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-27T22:46:30.3659277Z
I agree, but we can't change what gender we like. But we all have different opinions, I just hope we don't be rude because it offends others not matter what gender
stargate says2015-10-27T23:46:04.7687939Z
Um, it is just I think we should stay the way nature wanted to be like in terms of gender, and well in this case marriage.
triangle.128k says2015-10-27T23:47:10.7095712Z
stargate says2015-10-27T23:51:59.4478092Z
@triangle.128k ....Sigh fine I will go into more depth sense you took it literally. By that I mean we where born that gender and we where always meant to be attached to the other gender. So what I am saying is there is no reason to change it, so keep the status quo due to that is how it has always been, and why change it now?
triangle.128k says2015-10-27T23:56:05.1777451Z
@stargate It's not changing if gays are a small minority, and they always will be.
stargate says2015-10-28T00:00:17.6621266Z
@triangle.128k Maybe but it is just...Well I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman. I do not believe gays should be allowed to marry other gays, I am against it.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:01:56.6278922Z
@stargate What's the reason you're against it? I've heard better arguments than people who simply said "i'm just against it."
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:05:48.6407837Z
If you guys are going to fight take it elsewhere. I don't care if you post your opinion but I do care if you are going to fight. Make a debate if you want to prove right or something. This is a poll where I want to know everyones opinion I'm not going to change mine because of an argument. Post your opinion arguments are for debates
stargate says2015-10-28T00:19:09.0259799Z
I do not want to debate, all I was doing was respond to him. Also I am not debating nor am I am trial, nor was I trying to make a A+ augment. So that was why it was that way. It is starting to seem like triangle.128k you auge with me whenever you get the chance. I have never heard you once say I agree with stargate, or something along those lines.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:21:08.4150758Z
Ok. I just don't want argurments on here when I just want your opinion
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:23:07.5673451Z
@stargate @KyrinAnderson You realize the whole purpose of the site? You're always going to debate controversial issues on a site like this, you can't just dodge arguments all the time. It doesn't always have to be a formal 1 on 1 debate in /debates/. If you don't like the nature of this and don't want people discussing or debating things all the time, you might as well leave this site.
idoubtit says2015-10-28T00:24:27.8756303Z
Marriage in the traditional sense is a society thing, shouldn't be a government thing in the first place. For the benefits of income tax breaks, insurance, etc., simple contracts having nothing to do with "marriage" can always be filed. The only purpose of a traditional marriage is for religious purposes, which automatically means man + woman.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:24:45.2592458Z
If you really just want people's pure opinion, go to the opinions section where people rarely argue. If you can't stand people arguing or discussing things, you shouldn't be on this site. The comments section exists for a reason, and it's not just to comment on the poll itself.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:25:27.9728672Z
Yes but what u fail is to show the real bravey for a debate. If u want a debate ask for one instead of dising on everyone else
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:26:38.4311934Z
If you are here to dis people I would suggest you leave this poll. I may be fairly new on this account but I'm pretty sure I've been on here longer than you have on my other account.
stargate says2015-10-28T00:29:56.1599259Z
I will defend myself, but I am not on the debate section so I am not going to talk about every little thing. I simply am not, nor have you asked me to. So stop trying to make enemies, and stop insulting people just because you can.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:31:32.4582764Z
@KyrinAnderson Like I said, people argue and discuss issues here all the time outside of formal debates in the debates section. If you think people shouldn't argue or discuss issues outside of there, you're being oversensitive and you shouldn't be on this site.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:31:51.8494493Z
I have many enemies. One more won't hurt
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:33:04.0139217Z
Well I'm sorry I'm not gonna leave this site because I have things to say and I will say them
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:33:49.1325047Z
@stargate I love how you've argued in the comments on polls in the past, yet you're so inclined to dodge my arguments and villianize me here. Quite contradictory if you ask me.
stargate says2015-10-28T00:37:28.0047137Z
@triangle.128k I will not deny that fact, I am willing to auge with you. Tough we we do start to, you being to put insults into the mix. You have, and you will keep on doing it. If you want I am willing to debate you on anything you want. Here and now, come at be bro.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:38:31.0143254Z
@KyrinAnderson You don't have to leave the site, I just suggested it based on the way you're acting. If you're so oversensitive about people arguing with each other outside of formal debates, you're going to have a bad time here.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:40:14.1343645Z
Yep. I'm oversensitive but I already know how to be and act, and going your way isn't gonna help anybody but u. My opinion to u is we are all different we have our own ways in fitting in
idoubtit says2015-10-28T00:41:10.9024006Z
Stargate gave his opinion, and stated why he believes as he does. So I'm confused about the argument? Of course, I get confused a lot...
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:42:15.9394508Z
@KyrinAnderson Yep, and everyone usually discusses political issues and tries to justify their point. You're going to have a bad time on this site if you want everyone to just peacefully agree on things, look at the website name. "debate.Org" should already suggest to you that this site is pretty much where people discuss issues and where a lot of disagreement happens.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T00:43:16.1383978Z
I don't want peace I want death and desctrution but I can't get that now can I?
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:43:50.4928691Z
@stargate If you want to send me a debate challenge regarding something like the invasion of Iraq or going to war with X country, or on gay marriage, i'd be willing to accept.
stargate says2015-10-28T00:44:42.0158473Z
Wait why do you think I failed at me reasoning? I stated why I thought the way I did aka why change it, it is not natural, and marriage is between a man and woman. I am wondering how did I mess up?
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T00:45:51.6226011Z
@stargate Computers aren't natural, vaccines aren't natural, hospitals aren't natural, need I say more? Saying something is "natural" therefore is right is a simple logical fallacy in itself. Humans are isolated from nature whether you'd like to accept it or not.
idoubtit says2015-10-28T01:01:59.5807962Z
@Triangle.128 How do you figure humans are isolated from nature? We are one of many species of mammals, all of which are heterosexual.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T01:04:38.4189780Z
@idoubtit If we weren't isolated from nature, we would be cavemen who still hunt and gather food to live. We're obviously beyond that, look at what we've done so far. The computer screen you're looking at isn't natural, it's not natural to do nearly 90% of what you do every day. Do you really think it's natural the way our society works?
idoubtit says2015-10-28T01:10:24.5963589Z
For starters, all of our technology comes from those at the top of the IQ food chain, the rest of us just push buttons. And no amount of technology changes our instincts, especially the baser ones. If we were removed from nature, we wouldn't kill, or fight, or eat meat, or cheat on spouses, or need sex at all for that matter, or do stupid things for peer approval, or do drugs, etc etc etc. We are very much an animal, very much a part of nature.
triangle.128k says2015-10-28T01:15:22.4192516Z
@idoubtit We have some of our natural instincts, but we've still evolved, we have a very different mindset than our cavemen ancestors. There are homosexual animals by the ways.
idoubtit says2015-10-28T01:23:41.1608426Z
@Triangle128 Which mammals are homosexual? Earthworms don't count, they're hermaphroditic annelids. Neither do hunching dogs count, they hunch any species when overly excited, and they never go beyond that point. So are there nature studies footage of polar bears or zebras engaging in anal sex? Pretty sure not.
Berend says2015-10-28T09:09:17.4792362Z
Define 'natural', Star Gate.
Berend says2015-10-28T09:11:32.6367698Z
You say "We need to stay to nature in gender" yet you're throwing the baby out with the bath water. You cherry pick based on something you don;t feel 100% comfortable or sure about. That's fine. However, where in nature do humans use cars, genetically modified genes, use medicine and science to cure diseases that kept populations in check, use the internet, etc? They don't. So why would you appear to nature in only the aspect of marriage?
Berend says2015-10-28T09:15:10.7389717Z
Idoubtit - marriage has changed. Arguing it should be one way because of things like religion is to deny it could evolve at all. First off, you should also add that would make marriage Man + X to the x Power Women since polygamy is very much traditional marriage if not more so. Marriage is not a religion thing anymore and the only marriage people argue from is Christianity and the Abrahamic religion, 99% of the time, ignoring it in every other form or aspect.
Berend says2015-10-28T09:17:50.7159462Z
Stargate - "So what I am saying is there is no reason to change it, so keep the status quo due to that is how it has always been, and why change it now?" Marriage isn't "in nature" so much either. Regardless, homosexuality and bisexuality is in nature. That has already been proven. There are guys who are attracted to only men and not women, that is proven and they didn't choose it nor can they change it. Why not let them get married? You already show that you understand people marry who they like and love and are attracted too, so why not the ones who happen to be the same sex? It doesn't affect you.
Berend says2015-10-28T09:20:29.6945271Z
Stargate says: "@triangle.128k Maybe but it is just...Well I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman. I do not believe gays should be allowed to marry other gays, I am against it." Basically you don't have an actual reason when pushed against a wall. You just don;t like it. Have you not considered you just have an innate bias likely by your area of being raised or just by nature? Why not just "They can if they wont, but I don't agree"? You seem to show that you don't actually have any real reason when pushed, why not just admit you might be wrong? I'm not saying you are, just a proposal to think about.
stargate says2015-10-28T11:01:34.6860487Z
@Benrend if you know me then would know I never say I am wrong. By natural I mean we where meant to be with the other gender. Our bodies are made in ways in that we need each other. We natural enjoy the company of the gender. Our whole way of life was made i mind for us having sex with the other gender. Marriage was also always between a man and a women. There was always two genders, and we are meant to not be with the same gender. We should stay the same, do not allow it to change.
stargate says2015-10-28T11:03:19.7045755Z
Marriage was meant to only be with a man and a women. Gays should not be able to marry a man and a man.
idoubtit says2015-10-28T20:38:58.2030682Z
@Berend. I simply believe that people in their own social groups should govern the topic of marriage. If you're Catholic, go to the Catholic church to get married. If you're gay and Catholic, they aren't going to marry you and have that right, so go make your own branch of church and get married there. People will sort out what they need to do. But government shouldn't be dictating anything on the topic because this is a personal matter and has nothing to do with running the country.
KyrinAnderson says2015-10-28T22:03:40.4008898Z
Ok, I leave for hours and I come back to this again. Really? More comments about not your opinion.
idoubtit says2015-10-30T22:48:00.2629539Z
@Kyrin: Sorry, it did get sidetracked. I did give my opinion though. Summed up: It shouldn't be legal or illegal, because the government shouldn't be involved in marriage, gay or straight.
KyrinAnderson says2015-11-03T02:57:58.6955118Z
Thanks for your opinion idoubtit

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