Well, lets see... If you are a conservative, oppose abortion, want more children put up for adoption, and oppose same-sex adoptions, what are you planing to do with the ~40k children/year adopted by same-sex couples?
Yes - I think they should because they love each other and they can't help that - the problem with loving the same sex is that you cannot reproduce and if you want you - I think you should be aloud no matter if you are gay or straight
@TBR actually my "assertion" comes from actual statistics!
"About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13). Types of physical abuse named by more than 10% of participants in one study included:
Disrupting other�s eating or sleeping habits
Pushing or shoving, driving recklessly to punish, and slapping, kicking, hitting, or biting (11).
Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12).
Psychological abuse has been reported as occurring at least one time by 24% to 90% of lesbians (1,5,6,11,14)."
coming from the National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center So its not a assertion like that of @skyfish
Also when comparing with other statistics, sources and such, this is specific reports of a certain kind and does not include unreported domestic violence. Many sources on domestic violence against women will include unreported which would not compare accurately, so read fine prints before rebutting my argument.
Its right in the next paragraph (that he is too lazy to read). "How is lesbian partner violence different from heterosexual partner violence?
There are several similarities between lesbian and heterosexual partner violence. Violence appears to be about as common among lesbian couples as among heterosexual couples (1,5). In addition, the cycle of violence occurs in both types of relationships. However, there also are several differences. "
Seriously though I am trying to pull up the statistics on domestic violence against straight women. Which is harder than you would think because a lot of it is based on loose definitions or includes estimated unreported violence. If you were to compare reported violence with reported and estimated unreported that wouldn't work would it?
So, where did you come up with your initial clam from? Lacking any evidence it is reasonable to go with the provided information saying "Violence appears to be about as common among lesbian couples as among heterosexual couples (1,5). " over your baseless bullsh1T
@xhammy - WHAT? You make an outlandish statement, cant back it, then want me to prove YOU wrong? Well, OK, if I must. How about I just point you right back to your link, and you can read it this time. https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
It is a scientific fact that men and women are inherently different you cannot deny it. Therefore if a man and a woman are different how could they possibly replicate each other when raising a kid? Therefore kids are denied a major player in their upbringing which is harmful. Heterosexual couples have the perfect balance for raising kids if they use it properly of course.
http://www.rohrbaughassociates.net/pdfs/same_sex.pdf - "Initial research suggests that violence occurs at the same rate (12–50%) in same-gender couples as it does in cross-gender couples, and the methods of conflict resolution are similar in both groups (Gardner, 1989; Elliott, 1996; Renzetti, 1992; Straus, 1978; Straus,
Gelles & Steinmetz, 1980). The exact rate of violence reported varies according to: (a) the
samples being studied and (b) the definitions and measures of domestic violence utilized."
Using Ethans logic if you are born a certain way and can't help it then it should be allowed. What about people born with a natural attraction to little kids? It's natural for them and they can't help it, it's not their fault right? So we should let them date younger women under the age of 14. That kind of logic is very dangerous their is more data needed to determine if something is ok other than they are born that way.
I want you to look at this link http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_victimization_final-a.pdf its the one I JUST GAVE YOU. Now look at the second page, first box. Tell me what is there.
Lest roll the thread back. THIS is what you are trying to prove. "lesbians are very high (statistically) for domestic violence; nobody knows why.". You have yet to come anywhere NEAR proving that statement. If you want to take it to a debate, I would be happy to participate and let it be judged.
Well mine said that Lesbian 44%. The number is between 12% and 50%. It also said that hetero women are 35%. That number is also between 12% and 50%. Conclusion: Both straight and gay women are between 12% and 50%. So this kinda a "well your not wrong" moment.
So yeah my statement still stands, lesbians are 9% more likely to experience rape, physical violence, and/or stalking
by an intimate partner than straight women, and 15% more likely to be that partner than straight women.
Look up thread - TBR says June 24 2015 07:42 PM "Lest roll the thread back. THIS is what you are trying to prove. "lesbians are very high (statistically) for domestic violence; nobody knows why.". You have yet to come anywhere NEAR proving that statement. If you want to take it to a debate, I would be happy to participate and let it be judged.
All - xhammy has taken my debate on this subject, you can follow on the link above. He squirreled around for his first round argument, then posted the same two page summary of the CDC study (that proves he is wrong, if he bothered to read the actual report). Regardless, I will have my round up tonight, and I hope some will come read/vote from the poll thread that spanned the debate - TBR.
No! Absolutely not. The last thing we need is another problem where kids get ruined in their childhood. Kids need both a mother and a dad. Some things you can't talk to a man about and vice versa. And growing up with 2 gay people, the kid would probably end up being gay as well. Lets stop this gay pride nonsense! Its fine if they want to be gay but let's not spread that stuff to children. You have to draw the line somewhere!