Should Iran have nuclear weapons?

Posted by: christhimself

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Iran, also known as Persia, officially the Islamic Republic of Iran, is a country in Western Asia. It is bordered to the northwest by Armenia and Azerbaijan, with Kazakhstan and Russia across the Caspian Sea; to the northeast by Turkmenistan; to the...  east by Afghanistan and Pakistan; to the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman; and to the west by Turkey and Iraq. Comprising a land area of 1,648,195 km², it is the second-largest nation in the Middle East and the 18th-largest in the world; with 78.4 million inhabitants, Iran is the world's 17th most populous nation. It is the only country that has both a Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its central location in Eurasia and Western Asia and the Strait of Hormuz.Iran is home to one of the world's oldest civilizations, beginning with the formation of the Proto-Elamite and Elamite kingdom in 3200–2800 BCE. The Iranian Medes unified the country into the first of many empires in 625 BCE, after which it became the dominant cultural and political power in the region   more
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UtherPenguin says2015-04-13T17:46:54.1462661-05:00
Even Iran has nuclear weapons what would they use it for? Anyone with five-seconds of foresight wouldn't use nukes against a US aligned country.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-13T17:47:08.2698353-05:00
Correction: Even IF Iran
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:00:41.4925829-05:00
@UtherPenguin, It doesn't take foresight to run a country; I'm sure politicians from all over the world have proven that many time over
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:06:16.2287997-05:00
@christhimself, a new country with capability to senselessly murder thousands or millions of people and ensure the land they stood upon is uninhabitable for decades afterwards doesn't matter to you?
christhimself says2015-04-13T18:07:06.1655654-05:00
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Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:19:53.9362627-05:00
UtherPenguin, Iran can use them to intimidate countries in the region, the big bad US can't do much if Iran holds other countries hostage with their nukes. Iran could effectively hold the middle east hostage with their nukes. Besides, they don't even need to be the one to use the nukes, Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, they could just give the nukes to terrorist.
christhimself says2015-04-13T18:22:36.3992295-05:00
@black-Jesus If Iran gets nuclear weapons then what? I don't think they are going to blow up their own holy land. Also countries that develop Nuclear weapons have never gone to war with other countries with nuclear weapon capabilities, I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:25:12.2384705-05:00
" If Iran gets nuclear weapons then what? I don't think they are going to blow up their own holy land. Also countries that develop Nuclear weapons have never gone to war with other countries with nuclear weapon capabilities, I don't think that's going to change anytime soon." You do understand that Iran doesn't even need to be the one to use the nuke, they just need to give it to a terrorist group they sponsor.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:30:05.7761437-05:00
@christhimself, well, the only enemy that Iranians have on their holy land is Israel, they still have a lots of other enemies, including, you know, us. And secondly, all it takes is one madman mad enough to push a big, shiny red button, and start a nuclear holocaust that could annihilate the entire human race, and I don't know if you follow politics, but power does this funny thing to you; it turns you mad. I'm sorry, but I don't want to put my life and the life in the hands of Ali Khamenei or Barack Obama, or any other world leader. Besides, secrets could get leaked to other, even more insane groups, like terrorist cells. The point is, the less countries with nuclear arms, the better
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:31:57.0792897-05:00
"my life [and the lives of everyone else in the world]" -my bad
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:33:07.5864188-05:00
Nuclear weapons do not have the capability to kill the human race, that is a myth.
heil40 says2015-04-13T18:38:29.2844329-05:00
Only if it used against jews and other undesirables
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:43:52.1337545-05:00
Heil, if you try nuking the jews, I am going preemptive strike the bigotry out of you.
christhimself says2015-04-13T18:45:32.4443266-05:00
@mathgeekjoke Even If Iran gave a Terrorist Group a nuke, there is still the problem of transporting a nuke to any given target. Terrorists groups don't have launch pads or any way to deliver a nuke to any western target. Second if Iran did give it to terrorist and it by some miracle got it to the U.S, Iran would be bombed, for there own safety I doubt they would do that.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:51:05.6760748-05:00
"christhimself " How would Iran get bombed for what a terrorist group would do. They would just claim that it was stolen from them. Iran doesn't get in much trouble for the current terrorist groups they fund, even if they let terrorist get a nuke it would be no different.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:52:01.3794376-05:00
I'm just saying that anyone who wants or "doesn't care" if Iran gets nuclear weapons didn't live through the Cuban Missile Crisis. And even if the bombs don't obliterate the human race, and you don't live near an important area, and the fallout magically doesn't kill you, you will live a lonely, miserable life that will be cut very short by cancer
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:52:11.6763725-05:00
"Nuke, there is still the problem of transporting a nuke to any given target." The US wouldn't be the number one target, controlling the region would be the top concern of Iran.
christhimself says2015-04-13T18:52:41.8249476-05:00
@Black-Jesus Even If Iran has a nuke, there is no way that would reach any western country for example, North Korea. As far as Iran having an insane leader I doubt that because if they somehow could deliver a nuke to any western Country they themselves would be nuked. IF he was crazy enough to do that his own people would probably kill him.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:53:30.6061976-05:00
Black-jesus, you have heard too many nuclear weapon myths, you should learn the truth about them.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T18:54:22.3273327-05:00
What myths exactly?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T18:57:06.9634386-05:00
You overestimate the fallout and cancer, and likely many other effects too. I recommend visiting http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm
christhimself says2015-04-13T18:59:44.1511881-05:00
@mathgeekjoe "How would Iran get bombed for what a terrorist group would do. They would just claim that it was stolen from them." First Terrorists groups are notorious for taking blame, and telling everybody who funds them and second the fact that a terrorist group committed 9/11 did not stop us from invading Iraq.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:00:27.7479898-05:00
Christhimself, while you may only care if the US gets hit by a nuke, some people care about the other countries that neighbor Iran.
christhimself says2015-04-13T19:02:25.2031860-05:00
@mathgeekjoe "The US wouldn't be the number one target, controlling the region would be the top concern of Iran." The fact that other countries have nukes stops other countries from using nukes Its called "mutual Assured destruction" I advise you to look it up.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:04:26.7054352-05:00
Hey christhimself, I already know what mad is, I bet I know more about it than you. The problem is that MAD, doesn't work in ever situation. Maybe you should look up how it can fail.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:05:09.2643536-05:00
Typo:every, not ever
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:07:18.1114319-05:00
@mathgeekjoe, I browsed your website. I was already aware that "complete annihilation" of the human race was an exaggeration. But I live within blast radius of Charlotte, NC, the banking capital of the nation, and a high priority target in the US: I would die with a nuclear attack against America. The point I'm trying to make is that a nuclear holocaust, which is entirely plausible, would likely claim hundreds of millions, if not more than a billion lives; the race wouldn't fully recover for a long time and the number of deaths climbs with each pissed off tyrant with a bomb. The lives of the enemies of Iran, whether it is America or someone more inside their stretch isn't worth their silly pride
christhimself says2015-04-13T19:07:43.3386797-05:00
@mathgeekjoe I know how it could fail its Called "NUT"
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:08:22.9146627-05:00
Black-jesus, you clearly haven't finish reading the site. Read it some more.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:10:09.5334296-05:00
That isn't the only way MAD can fail.
heil40 says2015-04-13T19:11:22.3949637-05:00
Bigot me with what?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:12:40.0478913-05:00
Heil, you are a bigot against jews, you fit the description to a tee.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:13:50.5310237-05:00
I've already finished the page, they make some good points, but I stand by my statement
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:15:47.2799269-05:00
Black-jesus, cities aren't the top nuke target unless you deal with some crazy nation like Iran or north korea. Now comes the bigger question, do you live next to an airport?
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:18:33.7649649-05:00
I know that big cities aren't as high priority as some people make them to be, however, it would be foolish to say in said nuclear war that they wouldn't be a target at all. And no, I don't live right next to an airport
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:18:46.1784333-05:00
I find it funny that I am arguing against a person with too much support in MAD, and another person who wants to ban nuclear weapons, at the same time.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:19:41.4943021-05:00
I dont want to ban nuclear weapons
UtherPenguin says2015-04-13T19:20:24.5663719-05:00
Vaccines are way more dangerous then nukes.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:24:13.5548287-05:00
"I dont want to ban nuclear weapons" I am sorry I stereotype you as a nuclear weapon abolisher. I thought you were one because of the nuke myths are often said by them.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:27:11.9810581-05:00
If you don't want to abolish nuclear weapons, then I don't know if have any disagreements.
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:28:06.9814690-05:00
Ah, it's alright. I suppose I did sound like one of them. I don't really support many bans in general, though; they typically have an opposite effect, and that's is even more true than with international bans
Black-Jesus says2015-04-13T19:29:15.0814300-05:00
@mathgeekjoe, I enjoyed debating you, I have to go, though
heil40 says2015-04-13T19:29:31.4299156-05:00
So what are u gonna do if i suggest a nuclear holocaust against jews?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T19:31:18.5998546-05:00
I would do a preemptive strike. How? Call the FBI and tell them you have a nuke. WMD charges don't end well.
christhimself says2015-04-13T20:10:40.0668409-05:00
@mathgeekjoe I associate the all scenarios in which MAD could fail which NUT supporters because they are often the same people. Bottom line each event situational, and MAD works in this situation.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T20:25:00.0003034-05:00
There are many ways Iran could use a nuke that we can't really do something about. Lets say Iran places nukes in multiple surrounding countries. Iran then says that any attack on them would cause detonation of the nukes. They say any attempt to find and prevent the nukes from going off would cause them to go off earlier. And then Iran makes some demand while they hold the middle east hostage. What can the US do in this situation, absolution nothing without getting blamed for a nuclear war.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T20:37:51.1366116-05:00
Christhimself, Just so you know I support nuclear weapons. I agree with MAD on most situations, but I understand that MAD will not always work, despite this, I still support nuclear weapons because the pros outweigh the cons.
Stefy says2015-04-13T21:02:50.4352711-05:00
Nobody should.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T21:03:43.4714329-05:00
Nobody should what?
christhimself says2015-04-13T21:10:54.1273384-05:00
@mathgeekjoe That scenario is unlikely, because you would have to to transport it somewhere away from majority Shia Muslims which is on the other side of Iraq. Also there might even be revolts from the people of iran because they themselves face destruction from retaliation. Instead why wouldn't it promote peace because it would force countries including Iran to have better relations with each other including Israel to prevent scenarios like the one you presented that is i think that is a little more reasonable outcome.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T21:13:10.5467149-05:00
You do know when Iran gets nukes, Israel is definitely going to do a preemptive strike. If you think about it, why would Israel trust a nation that has rallies that say death to Israel?
christhimself says2015-04-13T21:15:44.7809488-05:00
@mathgeekjoe also i dont think that they would risk detonating the land that they are trying to control or risk damaging any holy sites in any given area.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T21:16:57.8967427-05:00
Not every part of Israel is something Iran cares about.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T21:18:37.9376188-05:00
Besides, if Iran wanted to kill israelis and not damage sights, they could use a neutron bomb.
58539672 says2015-04-13T21:21:58.3469647-05:00
Its not a matter of if Iran gets a nuke, its when they get a nuke. They are so far along the process to do it that we can't really stop them. The only thing we can do is try to delay the inevitable as much as possible and to soften the middle eastern cold war that is likely to follow.
christhimself says2015-04-13T21:29:48.7855833-05:00
@mathgeekjoe I doubt that because they would lose support and would probably unite the arab-world against Israel like Saddam Hussein was trying to do when he was throwing missile at Israel, that would be a death sentence.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T21:36:00.6371665-05:00
It also would be death sentence for Israel, a few neutron bombs, everyone would be dead. Iran would like survive the aftermath, Israel wouldn't. To be more specific the people in Israel wouldn't.
christhimself says2015-04-13T21:41:50.6476354-05:00
@mathgeekjoe All of the scenarios that you mentioned would still end in two countries destroying each other. Its still a lose/lose scenario, i don't think a leader or people would really risk a no-win scenario, regardless of how much two countries hate each other.
genesis01 says2015-04-13T22:16:22.2736455-05:00
Islamic terrorism combined with nuclear weapons would lead to disaster, just no.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-13T22:17:08.0180187-05:00
"@mathgeekjoe All of the scenarios that you mentioned would still end in two countries destroying each other. Its still a lose/lose scenario, i don't think a leader or people would really risk a no-win scenario, regardless of how much two countries hate each other." You think they are more rational than what they are, all they need is the illusion and you have a nuclear war.

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