Should Marijuana be legalized?

Posted by: T.Davison

Should marijuana be legalized and to what extent, i will be using your answers and the poll for a high school project.

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For both medical use and recreational use

You want people of a certain age to be given the right to sell/buy Marijuana and to consume it.
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Medical Use Only

You want only people that have been approved and give a medical marijuana license the freedom to consume marijuana for their health.
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No

You don't want marijuana to be legalised at all for consumption?
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420 blaze it

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mwedwards says2015-05-20T21:55:19.7191220-05:00
(forgot to put this in with my vote, I voted no) Legalization would encourage crime because then people would be more likely to steal to get money from the drugs. Also the use will destroy peoples' lives. To legalize something that will literally destroy the future of an individual is immoral, and frankly I believe we must stop it from happening.
Midnight1131 says2015-05-20T21:57:35.2693986-05:00
Legalization would drastically reduce crime, because right now, illegal substances are driven by criminals in drug trades. But with legalization, it would be tightly controlled by the gov't. Also, Marijuana isn't all that dangerous, alcohol and smoking are very much worse, and I have yet to see evidence for any death caused specifically by marijuana usage [But I guess driving while high counts, so...]
mwedwards says2015-05-20T22:23:49.4251789-05:00
I apologize. After review, I do agree with what you said about crime rates. However, I disagree with the second part. Marijuana releases large amounts of dopamine (a "happy" chemical) which basically just makes you the most care free individual in the world. That is not good when you are driving a car. In Colorado for example some studies suggest that fatal pot-related car crashes has increased by 100%. And it is not just the people who are high that are dying, no completely innocent people are dying at the hands of individuals who are high. The increased amount of deaths is simply unacceptable and wrong. Like I said earlier, this drug ruins peoples lives, and legalizing it would be one of the most immoral things we could do.
Midnight1131 says2015-05-20T22:26:36.4794529-05:00
But it's the same with alcohol. Drunk driving kills way more people than driving high. And making alcohol illegal was already attempted, and it failed. If alcohol and other legal substances are more harmful than marijuana, why should marijuana be the one that remains illegal?
Varrack says2015-05-20T22:30:47.0982724-05:00
Alcohol prohibition "failed" because government control was much weaker and couldn't keep alcohol from being bought and sold illegally. However, some studies indicate that the prohibition of alcohol led to less alcohol use.
mwedwards says2015-05-20T23:00:15.5346714-05:00
Of course there are more deaths by drunk driving. Drinking is legal EVERYWHERE! Therefore, there are more people that are drunk that drive. On contrast, a whopping 4 states have legalized marijuana for recreational use. So yes, there are less deaths. Now you keep saying that drunk driving kills more people as if that is an argument to legalize marijuana, and frankly I don't see the logic behind it. If more innocent people (in this case those that do not smoke it) die because we legalize it, then OF COURSE we should not legalize it. Also, your argument about how we tried to ban alcohol but failed does not apply because at the time alcohol was legal everywhere. They banned it and some bad things happened, but that would not happen in the case of marijuana because it is not in every Walmart to begin with. We are just trying to prevent it from being legal. To answer your last question I ask this: Why should we continue to legalize substances that are bad, just because we have legalized some other bad ones? It is a never ending cycle, and we must stop it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T07:40:42.5270550-05:00
" illegal substances are driven by criminals in drug trades." Actually criminals are also able to trade legal drugs. There is actually still a drug trade about cigarettes which are LEGAL.
tajshar2k says2015-05-21T08:26:02.1016669-05:00
So, why not make it legal, and tax it, so atleast we make some money of it?
TBR says2015-05-21T09:43:12.2690902-05:00
The driving while stoned debate is not helpful. It is interesting, but not compelling. You cant illegalize something because some small percentage misuse it. How about guns Varrack or MGJ? I think you agree that a gun can be used inappropriately, so all guns must be banned, right? That works.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T09:51:38.6704285-05:00
@TBR, I agree that guns can be used inappropriately. But outlawing guns isn't going to reduce their inappropriate use any more than sufficient regulations. In fact it might increase inappropriate use of guns like the alcohol prohibition. Marijuana by contrast has been shown to have use drastically increase when legalized. In addition of the difference between guns and drugs is that guns also have uses. Guns are often used for self defense. It is far harder to commit a crime when everyone has a gun than when no one has a gun.
TBR says2015-05-21T09:58:24.4343999-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - Everything about that, to me, falls flat. Are you saying that if we legalize guns - gun ownership would not go down? No, you can't be saying that. Are you saying that pot has no benefit? Just like guns, there are many people that insist that they get great benefit from smoking pot. Toss out the driving while stoned point, it is not working.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T10:26:34.1273473-05:00
"Are you saying that if we legalize guns - gun ownership would not go down?" Did you mean criminalize guns? Anyways, I would say that criminalizing guns would decrease gun ownership of people who are responsible with them, and since they are a the majority, criminalizing would decrease overall gun ownership. But it would have the opposite affect on illegal gun use. "Are you saying that pot has no benefit?" For recreational use, it has no benefit. "Just like guns, there are many people that insist that they get great benefit from smoking pot." People also say they get great benefits of cocaine and hard drugs. "Toss out the driving while stoned point, it is not working." No body use that point since the last time you said it wasn't working. But anyways, it is one negative of legalizing marijuana out of a long list, and as such should not be neglected but should not be a main point.
tajshar2k says2015-05-21T10:27:28.8753778-05:00
Drinking beer also have no benefit, Smoking also has no benefit. Why do we still have them then?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T10:31:22.0998628-05:00
@Tajshar2k. Well alcohol is there because prohibition of it badly failed. And smoking is slowly going being banned. But anyways, I will leave off with a question posted by mwedwards. "Why should we continue to legalize substances that are bad, just because we have legalized some other bad ones?"
TBR says2015-05-21T12:16:25.3906378-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - There are thousands upon thousands of responsible pot smokers. Just like guns, you don't punish them based on what they COULD do. That is the point. You are criminalizing based on assumptions. The assumption is they will drive stoned. I could, and have made the point, that then you cant have legal guns because I assume that all gun owners will not act responsibly.
TBR says2015-05-21T12:17:50.8907218-05:00
I have been told countless times that having a gun for recreational purposes is completely valid. Smoking pot for recreational purposes then seems completely valid.
Varrack says2015-05-21T12:22:38.2900225-05:00
The difference, TBR, is that guns can be used for good. Recreational drugs have no good use.
TBR says2015-05-21T12:25:33.6087190-05:00
@Varrack - That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. Other reasonable adults think otherwise. Point stands that the stoned driving argument is not persuasive.
Varrack says2015-05-21T12:28:14.6832502-05:00
It's not my opinion. I can pull up plenty of stats that show that defensive gun uses occur hundreds of thousands to millions of times per year. Drugs do nothing but hurt people, and other people via second hand smoke and loss of control of themselves.
Varrack says2015-05-21T12:28:46.9800786-05:00
Well, it is my opinion, but it's also a fact that guns are used for good every day.
TBR says2015-05-21T12:47:58.6980290-05:00
@Varrack - Guns may be used in a positive way, so to may pot. Guns are used for recreation, so to may pot. As for damage, do you want to go toe-to-toe for what has caused more damage, pot or a gun? That sounds like a loosing bet.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:00:33.6531983-05:00
A study has shown that fatal marijuana-related car crashes have increased by 100% in Colorado since legalization. Now I get what you are saying about gun, and the damage they could cause, however that does not justify legalizing marijuana. PEOPLE DIE! More people who do not smoke pot will DIE! Just saying that something legal now will hurt people does not justify legalizing more things that hurt people. That is INSANE! Continuing to make choices that will needlessly hurt and kill people in the future is wrong, and we should not support it.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:03:29.1484997-05:00
Not that it matters mwedwards, but that is utter garbage. http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/02/10/deaths-in-car-accidents-increase-in-colorado/23192153/
TBR says2015-05-21T13:05:45.3239983-05:00
If I could show that legalizing guns would cut accidental gun deaths by half, would you want to outlaw guns?
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:06:25.1827648-05:00
Key words: Marijuana-related.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:06:57.2413813-05:00
Your sight was very broad.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:09:17.3850359-05:00
I see. Again, it makes little difference to the discussion, but I have seen issues with this. One, testing for pot will be positive for weeks AFTER smoking. And, just looked it up, "in 2012 there were 78 fatalities where someone involved in the accident (a driver, bike rider, pedestrian) tested positive for marijuana, compared to 39 in 2007." - Yawn.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:10:13.9923649-05:00
I suppose I am confused by your question. Countries that have made guns illegal have an extremely small number of gun-related deaths, so no. Also, if people do not have guns, then how would there be "accidental" gun deaths?
TBR says2015-05-21T13:16:15.9817261-05:00
@mwedwards - That is my point. Accidental gun deaths would more than 1/2 if all guns were legalized. You are looking at a uptick in accidents from pot use. If we are going to set our hair on fire from a uptick in accidental deaths from pot, then we should take very seriously the accidental death count from guns. My argument has been that guns are used for purpose and pleasure. Pot is used for purpose and pleasure.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:18:28.1942686-05:00
To bring it back a step, since you have joined the conversation, I object to the entire line of reasoning that evaluating the legality of the drug based on traffic incidents is terrible logic.
Varrack says2015-05-21T13:19:47.8338001-05:00
There is no good that comes from pot, just more people getting high. Again, how is this an argument for legalization?
TBR says2015-05-21T13:22:14.9914300-05:00
@Varrack - There is no good that comes from pot, just more people getting high." and as I have said, this is your opinion, you are welcome to it. Others disagree. You saying "no good comes from it" is meaningless.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:23:14.2503118-05:00
Varrack - There is no good that comes from gun ownership, just more people shooting each other.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:27:20.4036391-05:00
Ok, let me try to reason with any logic in that head of yours. Marijuana has been linked to fatal car crashes. These car crashes kill people. Therefore legalizing it would be bad because then more people will die because more people will die while high. Legalizing a drug that will kill people and has no real benefit is bad, and you have to understand that.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:28:07.0382352-05:00
The second die is supposed to be drive.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:28:48.8825084-05:00
@mwedwards - "let me try to reason with any logic in that head of yours" your out.
Varrack says2015-05-21T13:28:49.7405304-05:00
Guns: used to protect people via self-defense, can deter crime, and can used to hunt game in order to bring benefit to the meat industry. Three positive outcomes. Drugs: make people high, makes them do crazy things. Zero positive outcomes.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:30:43.4940479-05:00
HA! You are supporting the deaths of many people who do and don't smoke pot. If any one is out on moral grounds, it is you.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:31:57.7250362-05:00
(directed at TBR)
TBR says2015-05-21T13:31:59.5658716-05:00
@Varrack - Listing potential positive uses for guns does not erase that there are negatives. Then, just tossing your opinion again about NO positive uses for pot doesn't change the argument one bit. Some people feel guns are fun (recreational) some people think pot is fun (recreational). It make NO difference if YOU feel that this is not good, others do.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:34:53.6076673-05:00
There are no positives for recreational marijuana. They destroy the lives of those who do smoke, and can cause unnecessary death.
Varrack says2015-05-21T13:35:14.9752294-05:00
TBR - Ok then, I'll stop "tossing my opinion" and listen to what you believe are negatives to gun ownership and positives to drug use. Go on, I'm listening.
TBR says2015-05-21T13:41:59.5222090-05:00
@Varrack - The only positive I need to list for pot use in this context is personal desire. Again, many gun supporters have been very clear with me that guns can be fun for purely recreational purposes. I may not share that opinion, may not want to smoke pot, makes no difference.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T13:45:14.5024011-05:00
@TBR-UGH! Are you saying that personal desire is more important than the lives of those that would be killed!?!?! There is no way you can justify that.
Varrack says2015-05-21T13:48:27.4860697-05:00
If personal desire is the only reason we should allow drug use, then why is crime illegal? Don't criminals steal and murder out of "personal desire"?
TBR says2015-05-21T13:51:08.5903678-05:00
@Varrack - Right back to we don't make things illegal because some small percentage misuse, e.g. guns.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T14:38:16.7494484-05:00
Wow, this comment section exploded while I was gone.
Varrack says2015-05-21T14:42:09.8372368-05:00
TBR, I'd argue that crime is higher under more gun laws, so gun leg. Is a net positive, which is opposite from drug leg., which is a net negative.
TBR says2015-05-21T14:45:04.2173902-05:00
"from drug leg., which is a net negative." this is still just opinion. Look. We have been talking only recreational use of the drug. We could go into the net positive of the drug, but I am attempting to make it harder on ME. So, if you will please, tell me why I must accept guns used for kicks as rational, but not accept pot uses as recreational?
Varrack says2015-05-21T14:47:53.4338443-05:00
Because guns aren't always "used for kicks". That's not their prime purpose. Are cars used for kicks? Yes, but they're meant for bigger and better purposes. Drugs, besides medical use, really have no purpose besides personal enjoyment, which I find a weak argument for.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T14:47:53.4344511-05:00
@TBR, If all of the other positives of guns didn't exist. And the only benefit was recreational(for fun) use of them, I would have no problem with them being illegal for the public.
TBR says2015-05-21T14:47:58.9735932-05:00
Let me put this back a step. A person who uses a gun for fun, who LATER uses the gun for illegal activity is guilty of a crime only when he has used the gun later. A pot smoker who uses the drug for fun should not be punished for a crime that he MAY commit later.
TBR says2015-05-21T14:50:37.8484680-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - And many others strongly disagree with that point.
Varrack says2015-05-21T14:51:40.5274114-05:00
I agree with MGJ. If guns had no benefit besides personal enjoyment, then yes I think they ought to be illegal. However, we don't live in that kind of world.
TBR says2015-05-21T14:52:46.9547793-05:00
No one is giving good reasons why the drug should be illegal except for THEY don't like it, or that you should punish all for the actions of a irresponsible few. Not very strong.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T14:55:42.8780719-05:00
@TBR, well if guns could not be used for self defense, hunting, deterring crime, protection against possible government tyranny, and could not be used to defend the nation in a war, and the only benefit left standing was for fun? Yeah, I would want them to be illegal.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T14:59:08.1085723-05:00
@TBR, well there is also the negatives such as drugs have NEGATIVE HEALTH EFFECTS when used recreationally.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T14:59:50.3020549-05:00
@TBR-Actually I have. There is one major difference between guns and marijuana that you keep ignoring. Marijuana gets people addicted to it, and along with negative health effects, cause them spend massive amounts of money on it. It also prevents people from getting jobs, or have the ability to live in good conditions. Guns do not do this. Yes there are costs involved in purchasing a gun and bullets there is no addiction that almost forces people to come back and buy again. By making it legal you then doom people who get into pot to never escape it. The punishment now is really the only thing that people who are addicted to pot understand, and to destroy that invisible barrier would be the most immoral thing we can do.
TBR says2015-05-21T15:09:39.2569558-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - Guns (and many other legal things) have potential to be harmful. That there is potential for misuse, or damage from pot is not a completing reason for its illegality. Again, simply put, we don't criminalize gun ownership for the potential harm it can do. Same works for pot. Prosecute those that break laws - like driving under the influence, or using a gun recklessly.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-21T15:12:29.9554384-05:00
@TBR There is difference from potential damage from a gun, and definite damage from using drugs. Drugs will always cause a negative health effect, sometimes only minor, other times major or even mortal, but never the less they always produce harm.
TBR says2015-05-21T15:17:32.0552479-05:00
@MGJ - Personal harm is up to the user. Pot, as the example at hand, is not very harmful to the user. Less harmful then many legal things. It is up to the user to weigh the reward for use over the potential personal harm.
mwedwards says2015-05-21T15:22:10.9730116-05:00
@TBR-Marijuana directly hurts those who use them. That is part of the reason there are laws to prevent recreational use in the first place. They do not help people who use them recreationally, they only hurt them. Long term effects include: Suppression of the immune system, Rapid destruction of lung fibers and lesions (injuries) to the brain could be permanent, study difficulties: reduced ability to learn and retain information, inability to understand things clearly, addiction, and of course the economic effects. People who smoke pot will spend thousands on something that will devastate and in many cases destroy their futures. Allowing people to destroy their lives is not in the best interest for this country, so we should not continue legalizing substances that will do just that. Please attempt to respond to this.
Thegreatdebate98 says2015-05-22T11:59:43.5972755-05:00
If we legalize marijuana, and heavily restrict alcohol consumption and cigarette smoking in ALL public places, then we would be a safer and healthier country. Where is my evidence to back this up you are asking? Well, cigarette butts and smoking are a major cause of air pollution in our cities. 1.69 billion pounds of cigarettes end up as toxic trash each year. They're not biodegradable, and it's nearly impossible to clean up all of the cigarettes that are dropped on the ground, and they'll just keep piling up anyways. Secondhand smoke has killed more than 20 million Americans since 1964, mainly in infants. Have you ever seen a woman smoking a cigarette with an infant or toddler near her or being held by her? Drunk while driving accidents are much more prevalent than high while driving accidents. Besides, the health effects by themselves of both drinking and smoking cigarettes are individually more dangerous than marijuana could ever be. Some marijuana has synthetic ingredients in it, but if it were legalized, it would all be natural. If it were legalized, less people would be smoking it as well, and ingesting it in other ways. Marijuana smoking does not lead to lung cancer either, a study conducted by the international journal of cancer had thousands of participants that were heavy to moderate marijuana smokers, and little to none of them showed possible signs of future lung cancer. It will darken your lungs, but not harm them because the chemicals in the cigarettes and tobacco is causing that to occur when you breathe it in.
mwedwards says2015-05-22T13:14:50.6532196-05:00
@Thegreatdebate98: I agree with you for the most part about the drinking and smoking issue. In my perfect world those things would not exist. However, I do not agree about the marijuana. "If it were legalized, less people would be smoking it as well, and ingesting it in other ways." This is false for several reasons. If you have mass produce a product, use will increase. This is due simply because of availability and the power of capitalism. With several stores there would be constant availability of the drug, meaning people can get it faster, more efficiently, and without the invisible barrier called the law. As for the capitalism part, businesses will look for ways to make the marijuana more and more appealing to the customer. Ever heard of pot brownies? When this happens more people will want to come in and buy because the product is better than what they could have gotten illegally. Also people will be more inclined to "just try" a marijuana product because of the wide range of the wide range of options. Pot brownies probably look more appealing than a pipe and some leaves. Now I touched on the “invisible barrier," and I will extend that now. As long as the law of prohibition is in place and there are punishment laws, it is much less likely that someone will try pot. When you remove that barrier people will take more and more risks with use because there would be no immediate consequence from the law. Now there are health consequences, and I will discuss that now. "Some marijuana has synthetic ingredients in it, but if it were legalized, it would all be natural." I do not believe that this is true. The law, to the fullest extent of my knowledge, does not actually prevent dealers from putting other things into it. Also, illegal dealers probably don't use synthetic material because it would just be easier to grow the plant. Again, I do not definitively say this; however I question your statement. "Marijuana smoking does not lead to lung cancer either." Although this is true, the effects on the lungs are devastating. Massive amounts of tar and other chemical build up because marijuana users inhale it and hold the smoke. This leads to several things such as chronic cough, restricted breathing (wheezing), and chronic bronchitis. Although not all of these are life threatening it severely lowers the quality of life for people with these. There are several other negative effect on your health, both long term and short term. Some short term effects are: Poor coordination of movement, lowered reaction time, failure to use senses correctly, etc. Some long term effects include: Reduced resistance to common illnesses, reduced effectiveness of the immune system, rapid destruction of lung fibers and lesions (injuries) to the brain could be permanent, study difficulties: reduced ability to learn and retain information, inability to understand things clearly, mood changes, and addiction. Marijuana greatly hurts the individuals that use them and lowers their quality of life. They struggle to keep jobs, spend extreme amounts of money on something that hurts them, and leaves them only with devastating health effects. To legalize marijuana would be an enormous moral violation of this nation, and I do not believe we should support it.

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