@karlmarx59, What are you talking about, "Men have fucked up he process for years..."? You don't think there has been any progress in the last several hundred years? I definitely do. I mean we use to shit in our drinking water, without treating/cleaning it...|| Heck, beings this is a sex issue, name me one technological, economical, or sociological advancement that has made people's (this would include both, not just one or the other, men and women) lives easier and/or better that a woman was responsible for. I am sure there must be one right? I just can't think of one.
@karlmarx59, I have no problem with women have equal rights, but it's fairly hard to take any of them seriously when they are complaining about bullshit. The ones complaining can either step the fuck up or shut the fuck up, like men have to do.
I would say that many important inventors were male. I don't think his point was that inventors of important products are all male. I think his point was that men invent important inventions more often than woman.
Just as you can speak about Marie's discovery of Radium, I can name you three important male inventions.
Bifocals - Benjamin Franklin
Telephone- Alexander Gram Bell
Lightbulb- Thomas Edison
For all those you named, I could name three important male inventions. The point is that men tend to invent key inventions at a higher consistency compared to women.
You mean to the opinion on here? Well, a guy earlier, (karlmarx59) claimed that men have messed up the political process for years. I believe he is trying to tie in the point that men have made many advancements in every field; including politics. Despite popular belief, the feminist movement didn't give women the right to vote. It was the male politicians who believed that women should have a say. So, it was ultimately men which gave women the right to get into politics.
He's trying to say that men have done a lot of things not only for themselves, but for women as well. Meanwhile, what women have done does not compared as of now in an attempt to try to blast karl out of the water.
@cooldudebro: I think you might be making a mistaken assumption about karlmarx59, but I'll leave that to them to sort out if they so desire. Either way, I don't have a problem with their original statement, men have fucked up severely over and over. I believe it was the suffragette movement that got women the vote. Certainly, barring a series of bloody coups, it had to come at the say of others (men), but that is the case when any minority or disadvantaged group seeks to end oppression. It happened with slavery as well. The implication that it appears we were meant to draw is that women have produced less spectacular breakthroughs because they are somehow less capable. We know that isn't true, when they were denied access and privilege which would have allowed them to demonstrate their capabilities. I think it was an overreaction to a jibe. As my other half is fond of saying to me: "suck it up, Princess".
@Skeptical1, The point is that people are responsible, men and women, and to deny that progress has been made or to deny that men had nothing to do with that progress is a fairly ridiculous argument (the reverse being just as ridiculous, that women have had nothing to do with how things were in the past) and is oozing with so much sexism that it makes it hard to take anyone seriously that is such a hypocrite.
I believe karl made the statement and heterodox corrected it with the invention point.
The suffrage movement did push for it; but it was the male politicians that had to put it into legislation.
Women are certainly capable. However, men do it more often due to career choices made by women. It's a fact that men choose jobs in the STEM fields more often than women.
Women did not have the right to vote because voting was considered a privilege earned by selective service. Fast forward 1st wave women get to vote for free (grats), fast forward again 3rd wave feminism backfired and woman will have to join the selective service and when in military placed on front lines.
@Chris330, if voting was considered a privilege to those who must sign for the selective service, what about all the people who voted before the first draft during the Civil war 90 years after the birth of the nation? And black men weren't drafted until the selective service act of 1917, forty-seven years after they were allowed to vote. Any person capable of making rational decisions (not children), who pays taxes, is forced to follow our laws, and is not being punished for crime (felons) ought to vote.