Should minors have parental consent for an abortion?

Posted by: ladiesman

  • Yes

  • No

48% 14 votes
52% 15 votes
  • Parents definitely have a say over their grandkids.

  • I believe minors need parental consent for marriage, I don't see anything wrong with requiring parental consent for abortion.

  • Techinically illegal to have sex with a minor, so abortion in this case is well shouldn't even exist. The parent has a say. Actually no, abortion should be banned, and I will fight for more and more restrictions.

  • Minors need the ability to make their own decisions, no exceptions.

    Posted by: Letrus
  • Parents dont have the right over their childrens bodies.

  • Not with aimething like this. i believe parents have a lot of rights to tell their kids ehat they can and cant do but they cant force them to give birth.

    Posted by: Stefy
  • They are in a terrible position to have unwanted children. Their parents shouldn't be able to stop them from getting an abortion and, in so doing, force them to have to raise a kid.

  • You could kill your children

  • Parent have the right to know and make decisions, but its up to the female to decide.

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briantheliberal says2015-04-23T15:19:01.0664534-05:00
So Mathgeekjoe, what if you had a daughter who was raped and/or her life was in danger if she were to give birth? Would you allow her to get an abortion to save her life?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:18:39.7333176-05:00
"Would you allow her to get an abortion to save her life?" This depends on the situation, which life is more likely to survive.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:19:53.6456230-05:00
It has the same morality question as triage.
CyberConor says2015-04-23T20:24:12.0454504-05:00
Why do pro-choice people all ways bring up rape. Majority of abortions made aren't from rape or incest or danger. Most are because the parent wasn't responsible enough to use a condom, and then they got a living thing inside them. Also, briantheliberal,you know this isn't a pro choice/life poll. It is about consent, which you are ignoring...
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T20:24:47.6307502-05:00
Triage involves legally recognized people
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:26:25.3497766-05:00
"Triage involves legally recognized people" Most likely if the abortion is life saving, it requires a late term abortion, in certain states a fetus becomes a person at that age.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:29:51.5803591-05:00
"So Mathgeekjoe, what if you had a daughter who was raped and/or her life was in danger if she were to give birth?" I didn't see the or there. If my daughter was merely raped and her life wasn't in danger, I wouldn't allow her to get an abortion.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T20:32:39.1437727-05:00
True but you did not specify which trimester, that means that until the third trimester the question of triage has a very simple answer.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:34:20.1700203-05:00
CyberConor, "Why do pro-choice people all ways bring up rape" - Because rape is apart of reality. I know how prolifers like you love to deny reality.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:35:32.5388842-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, and if/when she commits suicide because you forced her to carry her rapist's child, when then?
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:35:48.6687181-05:00
What*
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:36:26.0472272-05:00
I also don't base my personal definition of person based on the state's legal definition. Otherwise my definition of person would be deviate greatly based on which state I am in.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:38:23.5488904-05:00
That's not what I asked you...
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T20:38:53.5773729-05:00
Then tell me what is your definition of person
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:38:55.7823171-05:00
Brian that was for komo
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:39:37.3769839-05:00
"Then tell me what is your definition of person" A homosapien organism, or a member of the trinity.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T20:40:17.2244059-05:00
Tell me what is so special about humans? Why them?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:41:43.5036188-05:00
Brian, if a child of mine commits suicide for any reason, let alone not killing a human, I then failed at raising them. Also it is highly unlikely that she would commit suicide, there are a lot of rape victims who don't get abortions and are glad the didn't get an abortion.
CyberConor says2015-04-23T20:42:00.2136474-05:00
@briantheliberal, rape is obvious an exception. But seriously, if they both agreed to intercourse, well, guess what, the point of that is reproduction.... So be prepared.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:43:50.9194875-05:00
"Tell me what is so special about humans? Why them?" Well if there was another creature that I was sure that was equal to humans, then I would have to expand my definition of person.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T20:46:54.5596561-05:00
You still haven't answered the question what characteristic do humans possess which elevates the value of their lives.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T21:03:25.7702320-05:00
"You still haven't answered the question what characteristic do humans possess which elevates the value of their lives." Their ability to have potential to become something with a mind greater than animals is what makes humans special which elevates the value of their lives. I also consider all humans to have a stronger soul than animals, but then I would have to explain what I believe a soul is, and why humans have a stronger one.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T21:35:24.9455123-05:00
Rights aren't given based on potential they are based on actuality. The president does not have presidential powers until they are sworn in, no matter how much potential they have to be president. Also until you come up with evidence of a soul, no legal court is going to take it into consideration.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T21:40:23.6094268-05:00
Like I said, I don't base my personal definition of person on the legal status in each state. Otherwise it would deviate greatly.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T21:43:45.2875196-05:00
Is that in response to " Also until you come up with evidence of a soul, no legal court is going to take it into consideration."
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T21:45:18.4528909-05:00
No, that was response to you talking about rights given by the government. Also if rights are based on actuality, why do dead people have certain rights?
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T21:49:42.2064639-05:00
Dead people are the property of the relatives or scientists(in the case of donating your body to science) and thats by you cant destroy or mutilate a corpse. On your other point you can have your own personal opinion of what defines a person but if you want to change something you are going to have to convince the legal system of your view.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T21:55:28.2301389-05:00
Komododragon8, this wasn't a pro-life/choice poll, this is a consent poll. Briantheliberal was the one who brought up my beliefs, so I am merely defending them.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T22:33:23.5494109-05:00
Well I don't see how our debate is preventing anyone from voting on the poll or stoping them from discussing consent.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T22:35:45.4635206-05:00
Well I wasn't aware I was debating you. All I know is that I was replying to briantheliberal, then you commented on my reply.
komododragon8 says2015-04-23T22:50:57.0895361-05:00
It looked like fun so I decided to hop on in :)
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T23:28:30.5678096-05:00
Oh and dead people do have rights that don't deal with scientist and family members. Quote-...Various legal institutions have spent considerable time trying to protect the rights of the dead. As a result, most testamentary distributions, burial requests, and organ donation designations are held to be valid even if they contradict the preferences of the living. Certain destructions of property requested in wills are honored even though they may have a negative impact on the living. Some states even statutorily recognize a posthumous right of publicity, and recent case law suggests there may be a posthumous right to reproductive autonomy.-End quote. Source http://law.hofstra.edu/pdf/academics/journals/lawreview/lrv_issues_v37n03_cc4_smolensky_final.pdf
komododragon8 says2015-04-24T00:46:24.4631954-05:00
Most of those have to do with the last wishes of the deceased, in many other cases in which the will does not offer an answer the decision falls to the relatives. If the will does not specify burial than it is up to the relatives. Therefor the corpse still is their property to some extant.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T04:25:48.3327292-05:00
But the deceased still haves rights that are communicated in a will.
komododragon8 says2015-04-24T10:30:28.9186277-05:00
Yes but thats the extant of their rights, the will, their corpses have no other rights which would otherwise be given to a person. Also this does not have to do with potential rights as a corpse does not have the potential to become a person again and even if it could we would still treat it as a corpse. Another example is that all people have the potential to be a corpse and all people will become corpses yet we don't treat them like corpses we treat them based on what they are, people.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T10:38:57.4097118-05:00
"Also this does not have to do with potential rights as a corpse does not have the potential to become a person again and even if it could we would still treat it as a corpse." The reason I brought up rights of the dead should be obvious. It was merely me saying your statement was wrong "... They are based on actuality.".
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T10:49:46.3955155-05:00
Quote--Also this does not have to do with potential rights as a corpse does not have the potential to become a person again and even if it could we would still treat it as a corpse. Another example is that all people have the potential to be a corpse and all people will become corpses yet we don't treat them like corpses we treat them based on what they are, people.--end quote. When I was talking about potential, it was a direct response to your question "You still haven't answered the question what characteristic do humans possess which elevates the value of their lives." I don't see how you expect my response to your question about value of life to have had anything to deal with the dead.
komododragon8 says2015-04-24T12:00:54.8859418-05:00
"Dead people are the property of the relatives or scientists(in the case of donating your body to science) and thats by you cant destroy or mutilate a corpse." As you can see I said nothing about the dead not having rights I stated that they mainly become the property of someone else and actually have very limited rights. My mention of the dead is actually a commonly used argument against the idea of potential to have rights=rights. The logic states that just as a fetus will become a person with full legal rights, a person will become a corpse with very limited legal rights. We don't treat people as potential corpses therefor we should not treat fetuses as potential people.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T12:05:23.4456300-05:00
But you fail to realize that my response of potential was not dealing with rights but it was dealing with your previous question. "You still haven't answered the question what characteristic do humans possess which elevates the value of their lives."
komododragon8 says2015-04-24T13:21:13.2187466-05:00
I said that you can believe whatever you want about what a person is, but if you want to make a difference you have to convince the legal system.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T14:51:06.9326953-05:00
"I said that you can believe whatever you want about what a person is, but if you want to make a difference you have to convince the legal system." Exactly what are you asking me to convince a legal system of? I really have little idea exactly what I am arguing against you still. Are you asking me to provide reasons to make abortion illegal, or whether a fetus is a person, or something else, I don't know. I would like you to actually specify what this comment debate. "Well I don't see how our debate is preventing anyone from voting on the poll or stoping them from discussing consent."
komododragon8 says2015-04-24T14:59:06.2613679-05:00
I don't know what your trying to argue for either, I think we just got off on some tangent.

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