Should Pastafarianism be legally recognized as a religion

Posted by: Charliecdubs

Other crazier religions get what they want, why not the FSM?

  • Yes, hail the noodly one!

  • No that's silly

66% 31 votes
34% 16 votes
  • You can go suck on my noodlly appendage.

    Posted by: Fanath
  • While we're at it, let's worship The Chocolate Monkey as well. Or the Easter Bunny. Or the Toothfairy. Why not?! (Note sarcasm please.)

  • because ideas as ridiculous as the major religions today are official while more reasonable beliefs are cults.

  • Yeh

  • Because pasta is the one god of the world! Hail pasta! Hail pasta!

  • If that is what makes you a peaceful, loving, harmonious person; yes

  • Why should any other religion be able to be recognized? Mormonism is pathetically obvious to be full of it. Scientology is one of the saddest excuses of a religion there is. There is no reason why any religion can be legally recognized while pastafarianism is not.

    Posted by: SNP1
  • it has just as much evidence as any other religion...

  • It is the duty of every human being to look up the sky, observe the world around them and answer the question: why are so many objects are created in the shape of meatballs and spaghetti? This surely proves that the world, and all that is in it, is created, at least partially, in the Flying Spaghetti Monster's image in order to reveal his presence to those who seek him.

  • It sure as hell hurts less people, so why the hell not? You (most likely, despite you believing you are being oppressed when in fact you are the most accepted group in the world)believe in a God that condones rape and murder so why can't I believe in a harmless spaghetti dude that gives gifts. Both have equal amounts of proof, and history can only prove history no other category of fact.

  • yes. it makes eating spaghetti more enjoyable for me.

  • I think it's silly personally, but if people truly believe it then why not?

    Posted by: CCE
  • It's insane to say the cracker crunching wine sipper child molesters get to practice whatever they want and deny birth control to employees, But the people who just want to eat their spaghetti and wear their colanders and pirate regalia get denied their religious rights

  • No, and I don't know why the leaders keep insisting its legitimate. They are just trolling religion, and its somewhat disrespectful.

  • It was a great idea from the start to make its point (about religion and education), but it's simply a parody and it can easily be proven that no one actually believes in it.

  • No, don't feed the trolls.

  • No. It should be obvious. Why rile people up? Of course, you can make up whatever religion you want and call yourself the Queen of the Bermuda Triangle. But I think, considering the heat and assumptions calling yourself a Pastafarian imply, it's just not a good idea. And it feels like it would cause more trouble than it's worth.

  • They just do it for spite.

    Posted by: cdc210
  • Stop trolling.

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Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T21:48:05.2992402-05:00
And if we recognize them, they get tax exemptions.
Charliecdubs says2014-04-10T21:51:46.2594467-05:00
Why can't people disrespect religion? They do every crazy thing religious people do to show how silly it is. Religion deserves no respect and FSM is proving that, hail the noodly one!!!
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T21:52:36.1644865-05:00
Its not a actual religion though. They can bash on it all they want, but were not going to give them tax exemptions.
Charliecdubs says2014-04-10T21:53:34.0880291-05:00
We should not give Christians tax exemptions either but we do so..... Lol
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T21:54:07.7219443-05:00
Yes we do. If the government taxes religion then that violates church and state
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T21:55:06.0971443-05:00
People should be able to worship freely of government interference.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T22:51:14.8804002-05:00
Are you guys serious? We would be exempting these people from taxes for a made up religion.
Fanath says2014-04-10T22:58:25.5991612-05:00
"Are you serious?" - Said the man with a half naked woman as his profile picture.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T22:59:26.4143498-05:00
I'm very proud of my body
Fanath says2014-04-10T22:59:50.7913073-05:00
Lol, okay.
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:00:29.4015548-05:00
Oh dear... It's happening again... ;(
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T23:03:08.3593232-05:00
What? Me showing pride in my gender?
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:03:37.6323614-05:00
No you being a model...
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T23:11:26.7897688-05:00
You can view my first video here http://www.Staggeringbeauty.Com/
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:11:56.9634265-05:00
I'm afraid to.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T23:13:10.6914668-05:00
Its not to bad. Just check it out. Its free
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:13:45.2588443-05:00
Still afraid... If I grow some balls, I will.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-10T23:14:03.9640679-05:00
Forever live in shame
Cat_Lover says2014-04-10T23:18:22.8600359-05:00
That website is dumb, ive seen it before, its a weird troll website.
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:18:39.5700302-05:00
What. THE. HECK. IS. THAT.
Fanath says2014-04-10T23:19:25.7570173-05:00
I think I might know what that is...
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-10T23:25:44.4652323-05:00
I think I might know too...
Cat_Lover says2014-04-11T00:05:12.2560201-05:00
Yup
ESocialBookworm says2014-04-11T00:07:57.3151175-05:00
So Jif, are you a chick or a dude?! Like seriously?! 'Cuz u got mah head spinning girl/bro
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T00:56:04.0828076-05:00
I'm a pathological liar
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T02:52:06.1161264-05:00
If pastafarianism was introduced centuries ago it would grow to be a religion today. There are thousands of religions and if one is right then 999 are wrong and must have been made up like pastafarianism.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T02:53:44.6902206-05:00
No one believes in it, so the practice should not be tax exempted, It breaks the separation between church and state.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T02:54:48.3508856-05:00
Well, that's redundant because you just said that you think that no religion deserves tax exemption.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T02:56:14.3648744-05:00
No I didn't. Only religions with actual followers. As Dmussi said, no one follows the religion, so there is no reason to exempt them from their dues.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T02:57:50.2357946-05:00
Sorry, you actually said that taxing religion is a violation of the separation church and state. But wait a minute, you say that if this religion is official, then it will be free of tax and that would also be a violation of separation of church and state
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T02:59:04.8198727-05:00
Looked back, and I had my words jumbled. No, legalizing it would be an abuse of the system, and an unfair tax break.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T02:59:28.9532274-05:00
Why should we exempt religions of tax? Should we exempt children believing in santa from homework?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:00:59.0557656-05:00
Do I need to explain why church mixed with state is a bad idea? If I don't, then you should know that taxing religion, is a violation of that. Whenever you mess with others religions, it causes trouble. Its not a joke to most people
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:04:23.9520696-05:00
So why can't pastafarianism get tax exemptions. It's for the same inane reason, never mind who actually believes it or not.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:05:23.3104501-05:00
What about Mormonism and Scientology. Remember my question about children and santa exempt from homework?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:05:57.3645172-05:00
Because for a religion to be legalized, it needs to have legitimate believers, and can not be classified under cult circumstances. It has no believers, and frankly, your arguments for why it should be tax exempted are weak.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:07:15.9110207-05:00
Mormonism and Scientology have followers. The main reason why Scientology and Pastafarianism are not recognized though, is because they make a profit, and legal religions are non profit.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:07:25.4426818-05:00
How do you know that no one believes in pastafarianism?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:08:40.2919616-05:00
Its pretty obvious, or if they do, then the numbers don't rise above cult level. And stop dropping my contentions. Pastafarianism makes a profit, so they can not be recognized by law.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:09:02.5491657-05:00
Legal religions are non-profit, but demand you donate toward their holy place. Jedi Knight has followers, enough followers to be a religion. How do you know they are bluffing?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:10:36.0057702-05:00
If the government finds that a religion is stealing peoples money, then they can be charged with fraud. Pastafarianism and Scientology are organized profitable structures. Hence, not able to be legalized.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:11:25.5341827-05:00
There are religious cons. Those who deceive the followers into giving lots of money but I cannot prove they don't actually follow the religion.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:12:20.3001719-05:00
Is Jedi Knight Profit or non-Profit?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:13:37.1620781-05:00
Your right, you can't prove it. Your concession amuses me. Technically, they don't have to believe to teach it. Its not the governments business. What don't you get about that? As long as they're not making a profit, then their fine. And you drop my contention again. The Church of Pastafarianism makes a profit, so why should they be legalized?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:15:12.4049389-05:00
The answer is that they shouldn't. Profitable corporations shouldn't have a stake in religion. The reason we don't recognize these people, is so they don't abuse people's beliefs for profits.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:16:55.3878000-05:00
"What don't you get about that?" Eh? "As long as they're not making a profit, then their fine." Ok, Explain why it is fine. Why does being a non-profit institution (who still makes money) get away with it.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:18:37.8714259-05:00
They are allowed to collect money if its being used for volunteer service or renovation. The IRS checks church records, and if they find that they are spending the money on, lets say a car, then they can be arrested. Get it now?
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:20:16.4021776-05:00
How does the priest get paid?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:23:27.8141776-05:00
The priest only gets payed in certain churches, and the times they do is rare. The IRS does allow donations to go towards paying ministers, but your certainly not going to make any real money under their watch. For example, if they find a priest is getting paid 25,000 a year, then the church can be criminalized.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:24:24.7532158-05:00
Do all non-profit organizations get tax-exemptions?
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:25:38.3835064-05:00
And by the way, how much money does pastafarianism get?
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:26:16.6805244-05:00
Only some, and this is extremely: rare. Churches are different, due to separation laws between the church and state.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:28:05.3161388-05:00
How is that fair.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:28:15.1906856-05:00
And actually, the church itself even says it makes money off of people in its faq. I don't know about their exact figures, but they do sell books and products, not filed under a separate business license.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:30:18.0681972-05:00
Because religion is a sensitive thing. We are beyond questioning why government should stay out of it Historic attempts elsewhere have shown that taxing churches upsets people, as a suppression of religion. This is why church exemptions are universal through the western world. The government has no right to be a middle man in religion.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:31:51.1395658-05:00
By not allowing pastafarianism to become an official religion, that is suppressing a religion.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:32:00.7029175-05:00
And you have yet to counter a single of my three contentions. Perhaps we should argue this later, after you've had some time to think
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:33:09.7277810-05:00
Pastafarianism can become a religion, as soon as it becomes non profit, proves it has sufficient membership, and stop being vocal about it not being a real religion.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:35:28.9898737-05:00
"FSM is a real, legitimate religion, as much as any other." From the Official page of the Church of the Flying spaghetti monster. http://www.venganza.org/join/ Now, list your three contentions instead of whine about me not countering them.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:37:43.6514191-05:00
You are condescending, "Perhaps we should argue this later, after you've had some time to think," "Get it now?" "
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:39:45.8299201-05:00
I love it when people lose their temper in a debate with me. Its a sign that they lost control of the situation. Saying that my rebuttals are whining, is a ad hominen. Now if you want to stop whining, you can challenge me to a formal debate.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:40:12.1472888-05:00
*hominem
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:40:12.5996917-05:00
What I have got from you is that religions deserve special treatment, unless they make money. If I am wrong then correct me
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:42:52.1419144-05:00
What I'm saying, if your finished with your insults, is that religion is sensitive to people. Its deep to their hearts and more valuable to them then life. When the government regulates religion with taxes, they are treading dangerous ground.
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:43:22.7458396-05:00
I have not lost my temper, I just used a specific word for a specific effect. It wasn't an ad hominem, I have nothing against your views, or you as a person or your debating skills (they are actually quite good).
Jifpop09 says2014-04-11T03:43:58.9371436-05:00
Then you wouldn't mind debating me?
Rasputin45 says2014-04-11T03:44:45.0186574-05:00
I don't mind. I am quite enjoying this.
mrgalvaprime says2014-04-11T06:29:20.7838725-05:00
Personally i'd rather get rid of the whole tax exampt status thing but this is the second best thing
camocat09 says2014-04-11T08:17:22.5294613-05:00
Pasta! Pasta! The flying spaghetti monster will prevail over you puny mortal scum!
howardzinn says2014-04-11T10:38:06.5312210-05:00
I like the kitty picture, doesn't he have a specific name?
SiorafasNaCillini says2014-06-16T19:56:08.1515465-05:00
You call a deliberately made up religion more ridiculous than ones people genuinely believe in? What intolerance of other people's views.
SamStevens says2014-06-16T19:58:24.8184457-05:00
@SiorafasNaCillini: How is it a ridiculous religion? It is about the almighty flying spaghetti monster. Heck, they even have a church about it.

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