Imabench: Reds is nit acceptable either because it has the exact same root. It might be ok if they change the mascot two but it still would beuncomfortably offensive. They need to change the name entirley.
If we don't draw a line somewhere ... They are assuredly next. Just listen to Stefy already making an argument over Cincinnati.
That being said, native Americans want to be further forgotten ... Keep this up. Change city names and areas too, seeing as how its a smack in the face to have your native American territory currently occupied by US invaders.
I have a feeling natives aren't even the ones pushing the hardest for this garbage.
Freedom you could give me 3 years and that still wouldn't be enough time for me to explain everything wrong with your post. So I will ignore it and converse with stefy instead.
Stefy the Florida State Seminoles, nor the Atlanta Braves, nor the Cleveland Indians have he'd to deal with the uprise against their name and mascot like the Redskins are facing right now, even though all of those are arguably stereotypes of tribes. The protest and resistance against the redskins lies purely within their name being 'redskins', so if the name is changed to something else, ANYTHING else, it wont matter if the name is rotted in a racial context, the protests against the name will cease and the problem will be solved
Let me clarify freedom. The reason why it would take me so long to explain everything wrong with your post is because there is SO MUCH THAT IS WRONG with it. Don't try to pat yourself on the back and paint your argument as one that is unbeatable, because it is anything but that.
Imabench: Yeah there are other teams with names offensive to native Americans that are not getting as much attention that they should be getting. However, this is probably because the Redskins name is far more offensive than the others because it implies violence against that group and uses the murder of their people as a symbol of pride, even though they all need to be changed.
And the problem will not be solved if you change from redskins to reds thats the same thing the entire reason for the protests is that its rooted in a racial context. Why is it so hard to just change the name so it is 100% detached from the native americans it really is not that difficult there are so many words in the english language to choose from.
"And the problem will not be solved if you change from redskins to reds thats the same thing the entire reason for the protests is that its rooted in a racial context." It was an example I was using calm down, Jesus.
Exactly ... Varrack gets it. Changing it sets a precedent for changing all sorts of other equally non offensive stuff. I say draw the line here. Leave the name alone. Don't let a bunch of people who probably don't even watch football, aren't native American's, and generally have no tie to the issue force a privately owned football team to change their name.
FreedomBeforeEquality: No ones forcing. Public pressure to do something halfway decent being applied to you doesnt mean theyre now obligated to. Even though they should.
How is in not offensive? Not only is it a racial slur, but it tajes a word used to imply violence against a people who were victims if genocide as a symbol of pride. Do you know what Redskin means? "Proof of Indian kill."
Even though i think team mascpts like "Braves" are offensive the need to change those is not have as urgent they are not nearly as bad as Redskin. And if changing Redskin does have a domino effect who even cares? Everyones like "Oh no then well have to change multiple team names" No one feeks vad for you. Native Anericans were decimated and still have to deal with stereotyping racism discrimination and economic inequalityand piverty from those days. Changing a team name is the least we can do.
It most certainly does not mean "Proof of Indian Kill". I'm not sure what modern day person came up with that meaning for you. It means quite simply "skin that is the color red". Any other connotations you want to try to tie to it died off long ago.
"No one feeks vad for you."
I'm not asking them to feel bad for me. It's not my team. But if you meant no one feels bad for them? I do. I feel bad for them. I feel bad you want to strike a race from our culture too, but to each their own I suppose.
As long as it doesn't become force its fine, I'm sure they'll prevail otherwise. I'll bet they are digging all the extra media attention you're giving them anyways, so that's always a bonus for them. No such thing as bad publicity.
You have to know the history behind the term. Redskins was referred to the skin of native american once they were murdered and skinned. Since it was covered in blood, they referred to the skin as redskin. This is similar to the n-word. The only reason that word is bad is because it was used in an offensive word in the past. The same is true about the term redskins. Also the feathers shown in the logo is also offensive because feathers has huge cultural meaning in tribes. It is like calling a team "Kike" and having the mascot wear a yamaka. The red skin also does not help because it ties in with the term redskins. Plus, since when is it appropriate to name a team a race. Cowboys is not a race and there is nothing offensive in their logo. And, if so many Native Americans demand that it be changed and find the term and mascot offensive, it does not matter what anyone else thinks; the name should be changed.