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Yeah but it might make the children feel unsafe or whatever. And not all teachers might use the gun responsibly, plus there's really no need.
"I don't think teachers could be trusted with a gun" They are first to be trained of course...
Personal ownership of the gun is fine, but they shouldn't bring it to schools, offices or anything.
TBR, why is it insanity?
Not all schools, but schools where the police department is quite far.
It would probably be more likely for a irresponsible teacher to shoot kids over a crazy person with a gun breaking into the school.
@tajshar2k - Arming teachers is insanity. This is all just too much. If gun fans were less interested in putting guns in the hands of everyone, I would care so little about them..
This picture is a bit that keeps making it around about Israeli teachers being armed. The truth is, they are not.
Here is a link http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx?article=related_stories
Triangle.128k, do you have any proof for this?
Again, I only support this for certain schools, and certain teachers. Unless every school would have armed guards in the school, there isn't an alternative.
The alternative is to stop this insane arms race. Come to grips with an actual problem within out country.
"The alternative is to stop this insane arms race." Could you be more specific?
@tajshar2k - Sure. Start changing attitudes like this. Stop arming up thinking the bad-bad world is out to get you. From the pro-gun side - stop resisting better background checks. From the anti-gun side, we don't care if you want a gun in your house, stop carrying them around trying to look like macho protectors, and we will leave it all alone.
I can say, just from a completely personal perspective. Now that I have a son, I have to be prepared to ask parents of any friends if they keep a gun in their house. That sucks, but its just part of living in the uber armed america. There is NO chance I would ever put him in a school with an armed teacher.
"we don't care if you want a gun in your house, stop carrying them around trying to look like macho protectors, and we will leave it all alone." Sounds like a great idea, but I doubt criminal would follow the same. So, what exactly do schools do when they account a shooter? Like i mentioned before, some schools are far away from police departments, and it would take at-least 15 minutes for them to arrive in some cases.
If an area is already safe, there is no need, but some neighborhoods like Englewood could maybe have armed teachers just in case.
The incidents of school shootings is rare. It is also endemic of a problem with guns. Arming up to resist the attack is... Well, as I have said, silly. Deal with the damn problem. Easy access to the guns for mentally unstable people.
"Easy access to the guns for mentally unstable people." That doesn't happen overnight, several laws and procedures need to go into effect. Remember, not all criminals get their guns legally. Like I said before, this would be a viable option for schools which in very violent neighboorhoods, and are far away from law enforcement.
@tajshar2k - And you think you can arm teachers overnight? Great plan. I will have none of it.
@TBR The "prepare for the attack" argument is really terrible, I agree. But that's not why teachers should be allowed to carry. It comes down to whether or not self-defense is a fundamental right. I say it is - it ties in with self-determination. Would you be more open to the prop if the teacher who wanted to carry had to go through a long training course and mental competency tests? If no, how do you feel about SRO's (cops on campus)?
"And you think you can arm teachers overnight? Great plan. I will have none of it." Certainly a lot faster than letting the fools in Washington take decades to decide what to do. What do you think the government can do in a neighborhood like Englewood?
@dmussi12 - Its the employers that allow or deny the person from carrying. It is not a rights issue. I can keep all employees from bringing guns into my office. As to training. I think all gun people should have much more training, not just shooting, but actual training on what to do. Last, officers at a school... Well, that is more nuanced. Not IN the school, but the parameter, yes, if necessary.
If you feel like a neighborhood is too dangerous, it would be wise to move to a place where there is no need to arm yourself. All I'm saying is if it a dangerous place, they should be allowed.
I am not aware of any school shootings in Englewood.
But I am aware of the high homicide and crime rates.
It sounds like you are waiting for an incident to occur, before you think about taking action.
@tajshar2k - Again, so you are reacting out of a fear.
You always have to weigh risk/reward. There is not nearly enough to make that calculation work for arming teachers.
"I am not aware of any school shootings in Englewood." Before December 14, 2012, I could have said "I am not aware of any shootings in Newtown"
@tajshar2k - At this point, I know of no incidents of teachers accidentally shooting a students. I would like to keep it that way.
Teachers are educators, not security guards. Most teachers don't possess the proper skills and haven't been trained to assume this role. If armed security is needed at schools, then it should be provided by qualified personnel.
No way school teachers should be armed. You got to draw the line somewhere.
@TBR That makes sense, but the employer in this case is the state. And it's a law that designates a school as a gun free zone, so technically, since "the people" put the ban in place, "the people" can remove it (I know we're not a direct democracy, but I'm pointing out the debate is still relevant, and the "rights" position can be used as an argument). I do agree on mandatory safety training for gun owners. Also, the reason I bring up cops on a campus is because it's already a thing - school resource officers are used in a number of states.
@Death23 I'm only for armed teachers, if all those options aren't available. It makes sense.
@dmussi12 - "And it's a law that designates a school as a gun free zone, so technically, since "the people" put the ban in place, "the people" can remove it " - And I am saying they can remove it over my (and the majority) dead body's. The wistful gun-lovers fantasy is not popular.
@TBR Its not popular on the national level, but their are several states who could easily get such laws passed. Gun laws are traditionally a responsibility of the states, not the federal government.
@58539672 - outliner states that want this ridiculous crap can vote for it. They are wallowing in their disfunction, and I don't give a rats ass about them.
I am sincere when I say I want the penslant states of the south secession to finally get their wish. Leave us please!!!!
No state, not even the ones in the south, are advocating for secession. Even if they were, they would not be allowed to leave.
@58539672 - Where is the concentration of secessionists?
Texas, Maryland, Colorado, and California mostly , but these people represent such a small minority that it is wrong to say they represent their state as a whole.
@58539672 - I don't disagree. Look, the poll at hand is about a subject that divides on ground that is moderate vs. Extreme. I don't count all gun rights supporters among the silly extreem
What would this even accomplish? This is the dumbest thing I have read all day. If a school needs security, hire the proper security. Please don't try to hijack the credibility of an important rights group.
@Renegader I didn't mention it, I'm asking whether you would support this, if those options were not available.
I think some Liberals here do not understand that this is a viable option for some schools. Also, kids in very pro gun states, are already used to seeing guns, and are not going to be scared. If you live in a state where this isn't needed, thats fine, but I do not understand why other states shouldn't be allowed to do this. Of course, this needs to be done extra carefully, so we do not have irresponsible teachers with guns.
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I think it is outrageous that Fort Knox is the most secure location in all of America but our schools.....where we keep our real treasures, is the most venerable. what's worth more? our children or our gold?
Worded badly, I don't think we should be giving guns to teachers. But I do think we should allow teachers to carry a weapon IF we make them go through very, very extensive training first. They pay for it, too. It's no different than having an SRO on campus, which is common at least where I live.
If they have a permit to and maybe even get another permit for school grounds, not problem at all. Telling mentally sane teachers they can't bring guns in to shoot someone isn't going to stop them. So what's the need to make a law completely preventing everyone from carrying in a school?
Of course. Teachers tend to love their students and if something bad were to happen, I would trust any of my teachers to protect me. Everyone but minors should be allowed to carry a gun with the right circumstances, such as lack of felonies and correct mental function.
TBR, it is not insanity, people in Louisiana have permitted it, and its worked. The schools in some parishes are quite far from the police department. All those teachers are armed and responsible, and kids are not scared, because they are used to it.
I don't think teachers could be trusted with a gun...
This is insanity.
Depends on the situation, but not here
What would be the point of this?
http://i.imgur.com/7kJbbUy.jpg
The fact that there are so many yeses makes me depressed.
Teachers have no rights to have an firearm present in-front of students because there is no reason for teachers to bring guns as a "Self defense" but this doesn't mean that non lethal weapons should be banned. Rather than firearms which is dangerous, instead, teachers should be armed with tasers monitored regularly by the principle of the school
I assume the question is talking about forcing them to be armed and in that case no. If teachers want to be armed than sure but only after training. Tasers can also be included and even require less training due to their less than lethal nature.
Every decision has to way in the risks and rewards. In this instance, I believe the risks of having armed teachers out ways the risks of school shootings (which are still relatively rare).
The thought of that is scary
As a teaching major and assistant/shadow of a teacher, I say hell no! What if one of your students finds your weapon? What if you accidentally shoot a student? What if the teacher with a gun snaps? Too many what if's for my taste, if you want to own a gun then fine but bring it to a school full of stressed staff, students, and parents is a powder keg waiting to go off!