Should the Confederate Flag be taken down in South Carolina?

Posted by: Texas14

  • Yes

  • No

68% 15 votes
32% 7 votes
  • I'm not for banning the flag because I strongly believe in free speech, but I do not support the government keeping a symbol of slavery above a state that is largely black. The flag is used as a symbol of racism and white supremacy.

  • On private property or on your person do whatever you want. But this is a government building. The US government is meant to represent all citizens equally and give them equal protection under the law. How can we expect people to look up at that flag and feel as if they are going to be equally represented. it creates a marginalizing and excluding atmosphere. They may even feel less welcome to participate in government positions. And hiw can we expect a givernment who promotes that culture to be fair and representative? Take it down.

    Posted by: Stefy
  • Imagine the Nazi flag flying above the SC capitol building. It's known as a symbol of war and racism, as is the Confederate flag. Whether the Confederate flag offends you is irrelevant to whether it should be up there, because it is offensive to many and does not represent the current United States. Thus, it should be taken down.

  • Germany doesn't sill fly the nazi flag, we shouldn't be flying this either. Put it in a museum.

  • Though I personally don't have a problem with the confederate battle flag, in this situation it was becoming a bit inappropriate.

  • Southern states were seceding because they feared the North would take away their ability to enslave black people. Don't believe me, just read South Carolina's justification when it became the first state to secede after Abraham Lincoln's election: "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety." There's no mincing words in this statement. South Carolina specifically stated that it saw any attempts to abolish slavery and grant rights to black Americans as "hostile to the South" and "destructive of its beliefs and safety." So, some people may feel they are simply honoring the dead of the Civil War by flying the Confederate flag, but history suggests blatantly racist connotations.

  • there's a reason the first amendment is first

  • YOU WANT TO SEE RACISM. LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT MANDATED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. THEY MADE ALL OF US SECOND CLASS CITIZENS JUST BECAUSE WE ARE WHITE. THEY LOVE NELSON MANDELA, WAIT UNTIL THE CHOSEN ONES START TAKING YOUR PROPERTY AND SENDING YOU CHRISTIANS TO THEIR PREPARED NEW FAMILY RECONDITIONING CENTERS

  • It does not represent slavery, or we will have to take the U.S. flag to, because U.S> did support slavery. It was independe,ce

  • The flag represent slavery? 1% were owners, you think the rest fought for them. It is a reminder of our constitutional right. Everything the founding fathers fought for. Confederate soldier rebelled against the union bc their rights as people and the rights of their state were infringed upon. We have that right whether the federal government likes it or not. We will not let the federal government infringe on our rights. FLY IT HIGH!!!

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Texas14 says2015-06-23T13:38:49.4708431-05:00
Slknlong, this is not about affirmative action. I agree with you that AA programs are a form of racism. But this is about removing a flag that oppresses black people. Imagine being black there and having to walk by that flag every day. Isn't that oppressive? And why are white people second class citizens? And why shouldn't people like Nelson Mandela?
Texas14 says2015-06-23T13:40:07.2383386-05:00
And Varrack I think you made a really good point that I'll add to. Imagine if it was the Nazi flag in Israel. It's the same kind of situation.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T13:42:56.9852029-05:00
Actualy many aryan nationalists carry the flag as a symbol of a dying white heritage
Texas14 says2015-06-23T13:44:22.8960550-05:00
And I completely am horrified by that and object to it, but I support free speech. This is different because it is a government bearing an oppressive flag.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T13:45:34.7655422-05:00
Texas take the taiwan nazi party for example. They aren't racist or antisemitic but they carry the nazi flag. They just really like nationalism and they simply want to protect their sovereign from an expanding china. Yet people like you guys continually persecute them simply because they hold the nazi flag
Texas14 says2015-06-23T13:49:17.3205169-05:00
It doesn't matter what they believe if the overwhelming majority of the people believe the government should take the flag down.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T13:50:50.3148168-05:00
So if a small minority of north koreans hold a capitalist flag then you think the north korean government should take it down cause most there think the flag is bad?
TBR says2015-06-23T13:53:01.3096243-05:00
Slknlong - Slow down. Nelson Mandela is dead, if by "choose one" you are referring to our president, yes he was chosen... Twice. Regardless, Christians are plenty safe in the good-old USoA
Texas14 says2015-06-23T13:56:39.5115433-05:00
No. I'm saying the opposite. If the government holds an offensive flag that most people want down, it has to be taken down.
Varrack says2015-06-23T13:57:34.1487944-05:00
@eagle - what is a capitalist flag?
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T13:58:14.3608444-05:00
Well according to your logic, when the union conquered the south and they planted the union flag on confederate citites and most people there objected, it should be taken down
Varrack says2015-06-23T13:59:51.9300452-05:00
I don't live in North Korea, so I don't care what flag they put up. I only have a problem when it's being done in my own country.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T14:00:13.7343400-05:00
https://www.google.com/search?q=capitalist+flag&rlz=1C1WLXA_en&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=Rk41OtEO-TNaSM%253A%253BdtBsEMVNRheYmM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Flibcom.org%25252Flibrary%25252Fjulian-assange-also-neoliberal-utopian&source=iu&pf=m&fir=Rk41OtEO-TNaSM%253A%252CdtBsEMVNRheYmM%252C_&biw=1366&bih=643&usg=__C4p1UkMU1kWCd7HaWYiCHfgJE-E%3D&ved=0CCgQyjc&ei=vKyJVeaBJMHo-AHDjoHgDw
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T14:03:55.6798081-05:00
But like the concept itself of expressing a minority opinion using a flag in a country where the majority hate it is actually a global thing
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T14:05:16.2328845-05:00
I use North Korea as an example so you guys can understand how the popular opinion isn't always the right one. Banning unpopular opinions is like the government saying what's right what's wrong. North Koreans hate capitalism as much as you guys hate racism. They see capitalism as part of an unequal and 'horrifying' past of theirs. You guys see racism in the same way.
TBR says2015-06-23T14:07:42.3612959-05:00
I am unconcerned about the flags used in North Korea. I have a concern about flags used in my own country. This one should NOT be used.
TBR says2015-06-23T14:09:25.7700853-05:00
As it sits now, the chance of removing the flag is slim. The white people of South Carolina seem to love their terrible symbol, and all the negative attention it brings. It, the flag, will remain in place until some more of the elders die off.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T14:14:26.5559401-05:00
TBR why should it matter which country it is in?
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-23T14:17:20.8580920-05:00
Whether or not an idea like expressing freedom of speech personally affects you doesn't really factor much in a sense of whether or not the idea is appropriate
Stefy says2015-06-23T14:59:18.0444985-05:00
Eagleoftheeast: No one is banning any idea or any flag. Justr taking off government buildings.
TBR says2015-06-23T15:00:38.6410498-05:00
@eagleoftheeast - Simply put, I am more concerned about my own country than another.
debate_power says2015-06-23T16:00:13.1146583-05:00
This is what America cares about currently... A flag and the controversy over it...
58539672 says2015-06-23T21:31:35.6712094-05:00
@debate_power Its not even a new debate. We've been having this argument sense the civil war ended. Its only now been brought back into the spotlight because of a church shooting.
TBR says2015-06-23T21:54:35.5733075-05:00
Look back over the debate sectiio
TBR says2015-06-23T21:55:07.3820158-05:00
The debate has been not forever.
Haroush says2015-06-25T21:40:20.6775015-05:00
If it was a battle flag above the capitol I could understand it being taken down. Though this isn't the battle flag of the confederacy, the flag we are talking about is the stationary flag. Before I continue I want to make clear that SC was the first state to secede from the union. This being said the confederate flag deserves to continue flying there. Furthermore, I see this country as more peaceful when the confederate and united States flag stand next to each other. It stands for unity. Lastly, if you are against the secession, then you are against your own country since we were born out of a secession.

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