Should the honors students be separated from the regular students?

Posted by: kiki17

Should they be in different parts of the school? One building designed for the honors students only? Should honors students get certain privileges because they tend to have more course work?

  • Yes

  • No

43% 10 votes
57% 13 votes
  • If they have different educational needs, it would be best to separate them so each group gets the challenge it requires to excel.

  • yes, i hated being in dumb classes. honors classes taught me way more information.

    Posted by: Shield
  • They have different educational needs than the rest of their class. Why is this any different than special needs children getting separate classes. I see this all the time in my school and I would love for an advanced placement system in it.

  • Should they have the choice to take Honors classes, yes. Should they be completely separated and given privileges, no. They should be treated the same as students who get average grades. Sometimes people are just naturally more gifted academically, and it has nothing to do with hard work. In my opinion, should students who purposely don't do their work and disrupt the class be separated?

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The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-15T08:54:46.0434751-05:00
When you put the slower students with slower students, they remain slow. When you put the best students with the slower students, they all prosper. This is discounting behavioral disruptions which shouldn't exist in our schools to begin with, and are a product of right wing and religious vilification of intellectualism, coupled with the impoverished communities perspective that the only ways to escape are to make it big as an artist or an athlete.
Formerland1 says2014-08-15T12:15:06.6356625-05:00
Wrong , when the slower students are put with better students it slows the better ones down . The teachers a instantly have to help the others understand basic principles while the smart ones end up not being taught anything .
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-15T12:29:03.6937743-05:00
Wrong.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-15T12:30:54.5785743-05:00
http://www.npiu.nic.in/PDF/I%20P%20W%20S.pdf Studies prove mixing weaker students with students who have more knowledge benefits both.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-15T12:33:07.6428507-05:00
http://iteslj.org/Techniques/Salli-Copur-MixedAbility.html http://www.tltgroup.org/gilbert/millis.htm There are literally dozens of these studies.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-15T12:37:52.1611221-05:00
http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/Papers/Coopreport.html "The research and anecdotal evidence confirming the effectiveness of cooperative learning is at this point overwhelming. Regardless of the objective specified, cooperative learning has repeatedly been shown to be more effective than the traditional individual/competitive approach to education." "Weak students working individually are likely to give up when they get stuck; working cooperatively, they keep going. Strong students faced with the task of explaining and clarifying material to weaker students often find gaps in their own understanding and fill them in. Students working alone may tend to delay completing assignments or skip them altogether, but when they know that others are counting on them, they are often driven to do the work in a timely manner. Students working competitively have incentives not to help one another; working cooperatively, they are rewarded for helping. The proven benefits of cooperative learning notwithstanding, instructors who attempt it frequently encounter resistance and sometimes open hostility from the students. Bright students complain about begin held back by their slower teammates, weaker or less assertive students complain about being discounted or ignored in group sessions, and resentments build when some team members fail to pull their weight. "
Formerland1 says2014-08-15T17:22:30.6872762-05:00
Seriously , I posted a 5 paragraph argument and it was " submitted for moderation "
SamStevens says2014-08-15T18:17:55.4232122-05:00
@formerland1: That is why it is best to copy your text before submitting it. It happened to me too.
ben671176 says2014-08-15T18:23:33.4249980-05:00
You know how many times that happened to me? Like I could post degrading words attacking another player but not an argument?
Formerland1 says2014-08-16T12:48:37.9290546-05:00
To sum it up it was about my experience being held back by the slower students when I could have been so far ahead . Luckily my school has advanced placement classes now .
Seido says2014-08-17T13:38:55.8039476-05:00
I can't speak for everyone, but I'll give you my personal experiences. As a kid, I was always at the top of my class. I don't mean to brag, but I was. I made straight A's with no effort, scored in the 99th percentile on most standardized tests, was reading on a higher level than most others, and knew more math than most of the rest of the class. Up until the end of fifth grade, I attended good public schools. They had no honors classes, or very very few. I spent every day in the regular classes with the rest of my peers, bored out of my mind. I did my busy work, got my A's, and continued to get more and more bored. The teachers had to go ridiculously slowly in order to keep the slower kids on track, and left me to be bored. Occasionally, because I was just so bored, I'd act out and get in trouble. There just wasn't anything else for me to do at that point. I gained absolutely nothing from being with the slower kids, and in fact suffered because of how bored I was. I spent much of my time tutoring other kids. In fact, there was a vast period of time in which I wasn't allowed to enjoy my recess or lunch periods because I had to spend the time tutoring other kids. They didn't understand the material, and they didn't want to understand it. The teacher couldn't figure out how to teach it to them, so they put me in charge of trying to help them out. I did my best, as a kid, to teach my peers, but they didn't get much out of it. I had no teaching experience or capabilities. I certainly understood the material, but that didn't mean that I could properly teach someone else. So, on top of being bored out of my mind, I ended up losing my personal free time to try and help the slower kids, which they didn't benefit from either. In fact, there were quite a few occasions during which the slower kids would get upset that I could easily understand the material while they couldn't, which led them to giving up prematurely. In short, I suffered from being with slower kids, and they did too. From sixth grade on I attended an elite private school. With kids of the same caliber. They pushed me and I pushed them. I haven't been bored since I joined this school. The work has always kept me interested and has always been at my level. The kids keep me pushing to do better, because unlike the kids at my public school, we can actually have real competition, and we're all better for it.
Formerland1 says2014-08-17T13:42:20.6670872-05:00
Similar to me , but where I'm from we don't have schools for just smart people we have schools for just dumb people but a school for jut smart people might make the dumb ones " feel bad ".
Seido says2014-08-17T13:43:51.2520843-05:00
We have a few public honors education schools here, but they're extremely selective. I happen to go to an elite private one, so it can do more or less whatever it wants.
Formerland1 says2014-08-17T13:46:07.8386558-05:00
The only private schools thr exist in Canada are church run . Another issue I had is that they mark the dumb ones nicer and are more harsh on the smart ones .
Seido says2014-08-17T13:53:03.3647591-05:00
That happened to me too. I had one amazing teacher at public school that was really harsh on me for about the first half of the year because he knew I was smart, and figured being tough on me would bring out the best of me. I didn't like what he was doing, so I later asked him if he could stop treating me as such, and he turned on a dime and did. He was one of the few good teachers I had at public school. In short, I think they do it because they don't know how else to treat and challenge smart kids.
rugbygal_34 says2014-08-19T12:07:24.5103703-05:00
As an honours student in a mixed class with slower students, excelling students and regular students, I was not as successful as I think I could've been in a class with students who all had the sam learning needs as I did. For example, when the teacher would ask a question, not one other student had an answer-EVER, so I would end up not answering in order to give the others a chance and in the end I got spoken to for not participating enough! Finally, my teacher realized what was going on and tailored the class for my needs, but this isn't the way it is in every class.
Formerland1 says2014-08-27T17:42:01.7853419-05:00
This is a template for me asking a question in class . Me :" asks question " teacher :" how am I suposed to know that , you should look it up ". Me : " gee thanks , this is why I'm spending six hours here 5 days a week when a ll I get is look it up ".

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