Should the U.S. government outlaw the second constitution amendment (Freedom of bare arms)

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Poll closed on 1/4/2020 at 3:23AM.
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No, the U.S. government should preserve and leave the second constitution amendment alone.

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Yes, the U.S. government should outlaw the second constitution amendment.

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Mister_Man says2015-10-09T03:37:05.8739991Z
I agree that it's illogical to outright ban all guns, but I think the open carry laws should basically be gotten rid of. The only thing that does is draw unwanted attention by cops, wasting their time, and scaring other civilians.
tajshar2k says2015-10-09T12:33:39.4043000Z
Exactly^
TBR says2015-10-09T15:34:14.9196216Z
@Mister_Man - As I said in the comment. Doing this would NOT necessarily outlaw guns, just remove the right from the constitution.
TBR says2015-10-09T15:35:26.7278025Z
For all the state right lovers. What it WOULD do is return the control to the state level.
stargate says2015-10-09T18:36:45.3263873Z
@TBR There is no good reason to do that.
TBR says2015-10-09T18:44:02.4595858Z
Well, there are some good reasons, but it is not only unlikely now it is ridiculous to suggest it would be any time soon. My only point is, removing the 2nd from the constitution DOES NOT mean that guns would be illegal.
TBR says2015-10-09T18:45:38.1181726Z
@stargate - It is unlikely now and unlikely any time soon. That, however, is not my point. Doing so would NOT make guns illegal. It would become a issue for the states.
stargate says2015-10-09T19:22:20.7548538Z
Yeah but there is no good reason to justify removing it.
TBR says2015-10-09T19:32:46.9166400Z
I might say there is. If, as many people believe, states are better equipped to manage some laws, this might just be one place where that is abundantly true. In states where gun culture is most prevalent, gun laws can be tailored to the people of that state more closely. Now, that would give me an even grater reason to stay the he11 away from those states, but it MAY be true in this instance that gun laws are better left to the states to sort.
Haroush says2015-10-09T21:08:50.3764972Z
I am not threatened by someone carrying a gun on their side...
triangle.128k says2015-10-09T21:09:41.0605723Z
@Haroush Not all of us are rednecks.
Haroush says2015-10-09T21:20:14.9951721Z
I'm not a redneck.
tajshar2k says2015-10-09T21:44:57.0082091Z
But I would be a bit cautious.
triangle.128k says2015-10-09T21:55:21.6146052Z
@Haroush You're ultra-conservative, ultra-religious, you raise the confederate flag and are from the south. You also support farming and agriculture over business and industrialization. Is that not enough?
TBR says2015-10-09T21:59:12.4505223Z
If I saw Haroush walking down the street.... I would RUN the other way. I would not stop till I was at the nearest airport. I think I would like a two state minimum distance between he and I
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TBR says2015-10-09T22:36:34.3787547Z
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Mister_Man says2015-10-09T23:39:58.2557457Z
@ everyone who says there's no reason to remove the 2nd amendment.... I can give you two. Disallowing citizens to openly carry weapons down the street would mean cops wouldn't be called to waste their time interrogating the guy feeling the need to "express his freedoms." It would also mean citizens wouldn't be scared of people carrying guns down the street. And to you who are going to comment "your feelings don't trump my rights," that's the goddam argument here so that's not a valid response.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-10T07:12:19.9902579Z
@basils -- Tell me friend...What historical rock do you live under that you have absolutely no knowledge of civil wars, resistances, rebel forces, etc.? I mean seriously, let's just think about American history....Like the war in the Middle East and the Syrian Rebel forces we are backing...Well everyone except Obama. What about the French resistance in WWII, or the Polish resistance, or the Italian resistance, and MANY more? What about terrorists and insurgents in the Middle East that we've been fighting for over a decade? How many tanks do they have? When used properly, a force weilding only small arms can creating some MASSIVE havoc and damage against any world super power no matter the size and strength of their military force.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-10T07:19:45.5036253Z
@TBR -- Come on man...You know EXACTLY what would happen if we would remove this basic and protected right from Americans; you know as well as I do, that without the protections of the U.S. Constitution along with the Bill of Rights, some narcissistic president just like President Obama, would use "the power of the pen" to write an executive order, completely bypassing all of congress and proper legislative processes in order to single handedly outlaw guns in the U.S. Yes, the same exact executive action used by President Obama about a trillion and a half times in the past 7 years in order to bypass congress and get everything else he has wanted that the rest of congress has told him, and correctly so, would destroy more of the nation domestically and internationally. Even if somehow you were able to avoid an Obama style president for the rest of time, you still have people like Diane Fienstein ruling over states that would take it upon themselves to ban guns without even thinking for a second about the feelings of the population. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Our Constitution both nationally as well as state constitutions were developed and enacted for a reason.....So politicians can't completely rail their population based on their own personal feelings and emotions.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-10T07:35:05.5469181Z
@Mister_Man -- OK, open carry, having issues with it. Here is the truth: 1) If you SERIOUSLY call the police because an individual is walking down the sidewalk with a firearm strapped to their hip, you need to look in the mirror and find out why you REALLY called the police for that. I mean seriously, was the individual waving the firearm around? Was he causing a ruckus? Was he pointing the firearm at any person or object? Was he firing said firearm? Was he doing ANYTHING outside of properly carrying a firearm on his hip in a responsible manner? If the answer to those questions is "No", then why did you feel the need to call the police? Just so you could have the opportunity to get your 15 minutes of fame on the next news cycle for catching the DUMBEST criminal on the planet? Or is it because you seriously fear your law abiding neighbor who is following all laws and regulations of the jurisdiction but is carrying an object that you don't understand? Allow me to bring some reality to your lives: In 2013, the CDC reported 505 deaths from accidental discharge of a firearm nation wide; conversely, the CDC reported 35,369 deaths from car accidents. This means you, as an American, are 70x (70 times) more likely to be killed by driving that 2 ton death trap to and from work every day than you are as an American to shoot yourself with a firearm. So I ask you friends, why do you call the police in fear from the guy participating in legal open carry of his firearm, yet you don't call the police in fear from the guy participating in legal operation of a motor vehicle? 2) Scared of people carrying firearms down the street? I would first like to direct your attention to item 1) above for your first response. For your second response: Why aren't you in fear of an officer participating in open carry? If you ARE in fear of officers participating in open carry (for their job), why do you call the police who you fear, to harass the individual you fear? Are you not logically increasing your own level of fear by a full 100%?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-10T07:49:38.0872974Z
@TBR -- Also, please understand your judicial structure in the U.S. Just because gun rights are removed from the U.S. constitution, this does NOT mean that the ownership of regulation would fall to the states, bypassing the federal system. In fact, it would have the complete opposite effect as federal laws have jurisdiction over state laws. Now, there will be individuals who object to this statement, there will even be individuals informed enough about our nation's structure, history and current events that they will rattle off examples showing I am wrong, such as the states with legalized marijuana or the sanctuary cities. However, if an FBI agent busts into your house for a legal reason and finds marijuana in your possession, even if it is legal in your state, or even if you have a medical marijuana card, that FBI agent can still detain, charge, and prosecute you on a federal level for possession of marijuana. Additionally, even if you are a medical marijuana card holder, if your employer receives any type of benefits from the federal government, and your employer AGREES to participate in drug screenings of their employees and new hires in order to receive these benefits, guess what....That card does NOT protect you or your employment opportunity / status. The same would go for gun laws. If the federal government passes a law banning firearms in the U.S. yet your state ignores this and instead creates legislation that keeps firearms legal in their state; at ANY POINT IN TIME, the federal justice system can send the FBI into said state, stand them at EVERY single gun range, hunting location, etc., and arrest any individual in possession of a firearm, prosecute them on a federal level, AND confiscate their firearms which will be destroyed after the completion of the court case and all potential appeals.
Haroush says2015-10-10T15:23:55.9628340Z
@Triangle, Correction, I am for both business and agriculture. I believe there should be a better balance. Two, I believe empty spaces should be filled by businesses before new construction is done in land where there has been no construction. Of course all of this depends on circumstances. Three, I am not from the "south" but am from south of the Mason-Dixon line. Four, just because I am a supporter of the confederate flag doesn't mean it is a bad thing. It depends on what someone supports the confederate flag for. I just don't play to the emotional game you like to play and don't accept your political correctness.
TBR says2015-10-10T15:57:10.4632079Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont - 1) Obama has done LESS EO than other recent presidents. 2) While true, federal law will trump state, this state level control is what many on the right are asking for. 3) Sorry about our last debate. Just me and time. My fault completely.
Haroush says2015-10-10T16:02:23.5904106Z
@TBR, He may have done less EO's but the EO's he has done have been much more significant in how they affect the masses.
Haroush says2015-10-10T16:08:46.3201480Z
Many of these mass shootings would have been prevented if libertardians didn't seek to take away protections in which the NSA provide us with.
TBR says2015-10-10T16:54:36.1799211Z
@Haroush - That is such a empty right-wing statement. Look at them vs. Bush or Reagan. They are not of "more substance". Regardless, this meme of E.O. Is nothing more than partisan bickering.
TBR says2015-10-10T16:55:16.2102645Z
@Haroush - "Many of these mass shootings would have been prevented if libertardians didn't seek to take away protections in which the NSA provide us with." What? Really, just what the he11 are you talking about?
58539672 says2015-10-10T16:58:11.6955960Z
@triangle.128k Rednecks are working class white people, particularly from rural areas. It is kind of hard to accuse someone of being a redneck without knowing their occupation and hobbies.
Heterodox says2015-10-10T19:57:52.4074366Z
I don't know what it is, but it seems that as I get older it seems more and more people are scared of more and more things, in the US where I am. What's really interesting is that the things they are scared of seem to happen less and less. I wonder if it is a lack of knowledge/experience/understanding that leads to the fear? If they could remove the 2nd amendment and did so and they made guns illegal I would live as a criminal. I prefer to not be considered a criminal, but not more than I prefer my right to keep and bare arms (among others).
stainless67 says2015-10-11T22:03:14.9038585Z
For the probably 1000th time now, if you ban guns only criminals will have guns.
TBR says2015-10-11T22:05:17.6562195Z
@stainless67 - For the 10,000 time, that is not the question in the poll.

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