Should the US continue helping the Free Syrian Army?

Posted by: triangle.128k

  • Yes

  • No

36% 5 votes
64% 9 votes
  • We are going to support someone in the conflict and the FSA is the most moderate of the available groups. Unless of course we want to start supporting Kurdish rule over the entire region, which is... unlikely. If not, then we are stuck with what we got.

  • It runs the risk of a proxy war with Russia but if Assad is to be removed then we will provide them more info and firepower alongside "other" support.

  • What the US is currently doing is a huge convoluted, incomprehensible, reprehensible mess. It's not our fight and the rebels are loosely connected to ISIS, who are fighting Assad. Is Assad the best option? No, and neither was Saddam. However, removing Saddam has shown to also not have been a good thing. The very fact we are aiding people who are loosely connected to the people we are fighting, and the people we are helping are fighting the people who are also attacking ISIS makes no god darn sense. It's like Germany fighting Iran and ISIS when Iran is also fighting ISIS. You can't be allies and enemies at the same time.

    Posted by: Berend
  • Simple response here....if things are bad in your country, there is a firm divide of population, etc., the citizens of the nation need to stand up and wage civil war in order to balance their nation for the safety of their homes. How many thousands of years have residents of the Middle East region fought each other? How is it even remotely possible for a civil war to continue on for THOUSANDS of years with no victor or significant strides? Seems to me as though the fighting in the region is strictly tied to the population's unquenchable thirst for violence, murder, bloodshed, and war instead of the state of the region. Let the cavemen fight among themselves; don't get bogged down in their childish nonsense.

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Vox_Veritas says2015-10-10T21:00:11.0976099Z
They'd probably be the best ruling faction of Syria in terms of humaneness (I don't know about the Kurdish faction). However, they seem like the least likely of the 4 major factions (Assad, FSA, Rojava, ISIL) to win the war.
Vox_Veritas says2015-10-10T21:01:50.3779191Z
The best solution would be FSA rule backed by a substantial UN Force. Accomplishing this, however, would not be easy.
Berend says2015-10-10T21:02:10.4771067Z
Especially with Russia backing them. Who wants to fight an ex-KGB commander riding a bear with his shirt off and two mini-guns in each hand?
Vox_Veritas says2015-10-10T21:03:11.8114851Z
With Russian backing Assad is most likely to win.
Anonymous says2015-10-11T01:14:32.4653258Z
Heil der russische Supermacht und Assad ! Mai ISIS und die Serian Rebels durch sie zerkleinert werden. Ich wette, Sie wissen gar nicht, was ich eben gesagt für Sie kein Deutsch kennen! Ich bitte Sie, dieses , denken Sie, dass China wird Krieg gegen die Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika zu erklären ? Ich glaube schon. To know what I say, go!
Anonymous says2015-10-11T01:18:26.5166267Z
Eine letzte Anmerkung . Wussten Sie, dass die syrischen rebles an ISIS verbunden ? Also warum sollten die Vereinigten Staaten sichern Sie sie , wenn Sie sich im Kampf gegen die ISIS aber Sie denken , Ich mag Rebellen , ich hasse Asad , ich hasse ISIS , rebles an ISIS verbunden sind, lassen Sie uns helfen rebles ! Macht keinen Sinn.
Kreakin says2015-10-11T12:52:43.7193146Z
It amazes me people in the "No" say things like itt's not our fight. It is almost laughable. The whole point of removing Assad is so that NATO can get the Russian base out of there. It's all about containing Russia.
tajshar2k says2015-10-11T12:53:58.0859447Z
I think we should take a different approach, and emotionally blackmail other countries into joining the war.
Kreakin says2015-10-11T12:55:27.5224646Z
NATO is with you, you are not alone...
Emilrose says2015-10-11T13:35:34.1183444Z
NATO suck.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T13:37:28.1721377Z
@Kreakin -- Really? You seriously think the point of removing Assad from power is so we can force Russia out of the country? Really? RRREEEEAAAALLLYYY? That's what you REALLY believe? Did you just hear about Syria and Assad in the past 3 days or something? The reason there was and still is a push to remove Assad from power, is because he is murdering his own people, terrorizing them, even employing chemical warfare against innocent women and children all over the nation.
Kreakin says2015-10-11T13:45:44.9012900Z
Wow. One word, naive.
Kreakin says2015-10-11T13:47:26.4436427Z
Why do you think Russia annexed Crimea?
Kreakin says2015-10-11T13:53:24.5173286Z
Emilrose says: "NATO suck." What a surprise, a spanish person that said something stupid whilst contributing nothing.
Anonymous says2015-10-11T14:51:57.4708841Z
And no one cares for my german.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T15:54:51.6202625Z
@Kreakin -- What does Russia invading Ukraine have to do with Bashar al-Assad murdering and terrorizing his own citizens in order to quell a civil war which by all accounts would have ousted him from presidency within a few months? The reason Russian invaded the Crimean peninsula via proxy coup, was because Ukraine used to be part of the U.S.S.R. When Ukraine gained its independence from the U.S.S.R., Russia lost access to the Black Sea. Russia took the peninsula back recently in order to regain control over its ports which give direct access to the Black Sea, leading directly to the Mediterranean, Straight of Gibraltar, and Atlantic Ocean. This is a VERY strategic port and access waterway as it is both wide enough and deep enough to support passenger boats, military boats and submarines, and most importantly it can sustain a high volume of commercial cruise liners with the ability to increase import / export of products including crude oil. It's a high capital generation port and waterway as well as a key military defensive and offensive position in the region that is VERY easy to defend. Anyway, I ask again, what does this have to do with the price of eggs?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T16:11:49.9766459Z
@Kreakin -- Additional information on Bashar, just for knowledge, not really substanative to the topic at hand but figured I would take the opportunity to share information: IMHO, I don't think Assad is really that happy as President of Syria. His father was the president, his brother was being groomed to take presidency from his father. Bashar was actually interested in saving lives instead of damaging or taking them; Bashar attended medical school without interest in any way shape or form in politics, happy to leave that to his father and brother. However, In the early 1990's, his brother was killed in a car accident in Syria. Bashar was forced by his father to leave his chosen path of medical professional and forced into military service, allowing his father to fast track him through political grooming, preparing Bashar for presidency. His father died in 2000 I believe, and the Syrian government lowered the minimum age to run for president from something like 40 years old down to I think 34 which allowed Bashar to take over the vacant seat of power. There was a TON of interaction between Bashar and the Syrian people during his grooming which added to his disdain of the Syrian people which I will stay away from in this post. However, the main point here, is to give the community an opportunity to get a brief glimpse into who Bashar al-Assad is and where he came from; giving a bit of clarity to his mindset. He committed his life to saving the lives of others, yet he was ultimately forced against his wishes into the Presidency and a military role which, when studying the mental state of Bashar over the years, shows his anger and animosity for his own people growing; the most glaring reason for his hatred of his people is due to his life being literally turned inside out and upside down...Completely backward.
Emilrose says2015-10-11T19:37:37.8940474Z
Oh yeah...Like you really contribute so much! Not. In fact you have said absolutely nothing of any value or most importantly--any accuracy.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-10-11T19:48:42.7949852Z
@EmilRose -- Yup...Notice how he failed to respond with substance to my first comments, then completely ignored my explanation of Russia and Ukraine while differentiating them from Syria and Assad? However, my ABSOLUTE favorite part of his response to you is when he tried to make himself sound intelligent by using the word "whilst" instead of "while". See the thing is, in proper American English as well as Proper British Grammar, "Whilst" has NOT been in use for about 75 years now; in fact, some dictionaries are starting to mark it as an obsolete word, not to be used and replacing it with "While". The ONLY time it is proper to use "Whilst" in modern times, is within very formal writings such as dissertations and medical writings, or when using it within poetry...Neither of these cases fit. Sooooo wannabe smart guy fail for you there :)

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