Should the whole world merge as one nation/planet?

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The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T10:01:01.0546369-05:00
It's inevitable. That or our ultimate destruction as a species. My bet is on the latter.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:19:04.3114978-05:00
Dr_oblivious the bible is not a credible source its just a claim.
LogicalLunatic says2014-08-01T11:20:19.8155337-05:00
Even if the Bible were false I would still be opposed to a Global Government.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:21:43.4345578-05:00
I wasnt responding to you I was responding to Dr_oblivious.
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T11:22:32.6535043-05:00
@leonitus2464 How is the Bible not a credible source? Do you have any proof that it isn't?
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:24:21.6215998-05:00
The bible has no proof to back up its own stories while claiming to be fact that is a claim.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:26:26.8296076-05:00
And its claims that have the burden of proof bible is a claim so the burden of proof is on you to prove its true.
LogicalLunatic says2014-08-01T11:27:54.6328289-05:00
Crap. Comment flame wars should've taught me not to vote on polls.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:28:17.3155197-05:00
Where in the bible does it every say one world government?
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T11:36:57.2808321-05:00
@leonitus2464 "The bible has no proof to back up its own stories while claiming to be fact that is a claim." Why do some people insists on showing their ignorance? There is plenty of evidence to back up what the Bible says. We have archaeological evidence for many old testament stories. We've found the ruins of Jericho. Guess what. It's walls fell outward, just like the Bible says. People used to think that King Davis was a fictional character. Guess what? We've discovered an ancient obelisk that mentions him by name and title. There is a ton of evidence that supports the Bible. Anyone who claims otherwise is just plain ignorant, or in denial. Is there any evidence to support the stories of miracles? Sadly, no. But with the reliability of other parts of Scripture, is it such a leap of logic to believe most, if not all of it happened just as written?
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:39:02.9137474-05:00
Citation please
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:40:20.3291305-05:00
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/bryantwood.php
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:40:27.1241668-05:00
Ha, Jericho, Right.
Preston says2014-08-01T11:42:13.3036063-05:00
Leo, its scientifically supported, there is no question whether Jesus existed, just like Siddhartha Gautama, they don't question them, just the miracles they performed.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:43:01.9596944-05:00
There is no proof David ever existed. The obelisk you mention has no mention of him. Http://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/Black_Obelisk_of_Shalmaneser_III
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:43:44.2183570-05:00
"But with the reliability of other parts of Scripture, is it such a leap of logic to believe most, if not all of it happened just as written?" Since what you claim is reliable is actually false, yes.
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T11:45:33.1552519-05:00
What parts are unreliable?
Preston says2014-08-01T11:46:38.0681002-05:00
Dr, you cant support the miracles it describes with evidence, that's why faith exists.
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-01T11:46:54.7448209-05:00
Fun Fact: The burning bush was likely the discovery of weed.
Preston says2014-08-01T11:47:30.6411112-05:00
^haha
Preston says2014-08-01T11:48:29.9378515-05:00
So was curing the blind man by rubbing mud in his eyes a jerk move, then it just kind of worked, and Jesus was all like "yea meant to do that..."
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:48:30.3435296-05:00
Preston accounts about Jesus were written decades after he supposedly existed that and saying that people way back saw miracles is unreliable because lots of messiahs were around then jesus just happened to become more popular and last longer. Ever hear of Apollonius of Tyana or horus.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:49:02.9631296-05:00
There is no scientific proof Jesus existed...We accept it, because there is enough circumstantial evidence to come to a conclusion, but there is literally no first person accounting of him and no actual proof of his existence. There is more hard evidence of Climate Change than Jesus. And so many seem to have trouble with that.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:49:58.5319552-05:00
@Dr. Obvious- The entirety of the bible is unreliable. It would be a much shorter list to cite the few instances of accuracy.
Preston says2014-08-01T11:51:08.0127296-05:00
Immortal, there are recordings that Christ existed in almost every major religion, recordings in Rome, the middle east and all over the are he existed in. We know Paul, peter, ect. Existed and we know Christ existed. Did he heal people, idk cant be proven, did he walk on water? I have no evidence but I believe it.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:51:36.9854485-05:00
The bible is the same book that said bats are birds so I don't really think that you can trust it with the creations of the universe.
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T11:51:38.2178722-05:00
"Dr, you cant support the miracles it describes with evidence, that's why faith exists." I never claimed otherwise. There is enough evidence, from other parts of the Bible, that allow me to believe in these miracles.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:52:32.6317186-05:00
Like what
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T11:53:27.2271296-05:00
"The bible is the same book that said bats are birds so I don't really think that you can trust it with the creations of the universe." When that book was written, they did not have the classification system we have today. It had wings. It flew through the air. It was a bird.
Preston says2014-08-01T11:54:02.3271296-05:00
@ Dr, under that logic you can believe war of the worlds because it has some factual things in it.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-01T11:54:27.9491362-05:00
"Immortal, there are recordings that Christ existed in almost every major religion, recordings in Rome, the middle east and all over the are he existed in. " 1. No, the first accounting of the Christus was written 110 years after the start of the Augustinian calendar. There are NO first person accounts of him. 2. Paul never met Jesus. He became an apostle after Jesus was killed. He is responsible for the perversion of Christianity in Rome.
reece says2014-08-01T11:54:33.4404418-05:00
@Dr_Obvious the hole bible is contradictory http://accordingtoreason.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/contra-bible.jpg
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T11:54:47.1375052-05:00
How can a book inspired by god go with the times thats nonsensical if the almighty god wrote it it should endure.
Preston says2014-08-01T11:55:05.9358667-05:00
Immortal this guy is crazy, I get that some figures existed, but Mohamed existed and he doesn't believe in the Quran
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-01T11:58:45.1824829-05:00
Heh
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T12:00:01.2963466-05:00
@@Dr_Obvious the hole bible is contradictory http://accordingtoreason.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/contra-bible.jpg All of those so-called contradictions have been refuted. The majority of them are taken out of context. Others require a knowledge of history and culture of the times. The Bible does not contradict itself.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T12:01:08.4567140-05:00
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
reece says2014-08-01T12:01:19.5640564-05:00
@Dr_Obvious but yet it is open to interpretation
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T12:02:54.0540688-05:00
If the bible was god inspired it would be more clear what god meant without interpretation.
reece says2014-08-01T12:08:53.9217892-05:00
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/8c/8cc19d79cd08ab32d486a4296eb8e523f21e4deafa805f95460e290d3dfd8a57.jpg
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T12:11:39.6039918-05:00
@leonitus2464 The Bible is perfectly clear. You just have to know how to read it. It's not a novel, that you can just read straight through. Almost every misconception about what the Bible says is because of reading things out of context, or reading a modern translation that failed to capture the original meaning. This is why a good Bible dictionary is important.
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T12:12:26.1228936-05:00
@reece It is not open to interpretation. See my reply, above.
Preston says2014-08-01T12:12:59.2521070-05:00
@doc, does god not love everyone? If you have to have pre-requisites to read it, does he love those without?
Preston says2014-08-01T12:13:43.0148007-05:00
@doc, it makes no sense to say you have to read it a certain way, or we are all going to hell because its not your way
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T12:15:55.4579517-05:00
If very few go to heaven then god rigged it to be that way because he allows hundreds of different religions to flourish and not providing evidence for his own existence.
Preston says2014-08-01T12:16:36.4544889-05:00
@DR, you have a skewed sense of religion, faith, and god
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T12:17:59.4798805-05:00
@Preston The Message of the Bible is so simple, a child can understand it. What is this message? Man was a perfect creation of God. Man sinned and suffered separation from God. If effect he died. God loved us so much that He sent His only son to take our place. His sacrifice made everyone who believes in Him acceptable to God. That's it. The rest of the Bible is really irrelevant, as far as salvation goes. But we need to study it, in order to know Gods will in our lives.
LogicalLunatic says2014-08-01T12:19:08.0743996-05:00
All of you...Please stop talking now.
reece says2014-08-01T12:19:42.6914653-05:00
@Dr_Obvious And he knew all this before the universe was made because he is ALL KNOWING AND ALL POWERFUL
Dr_Obvious says2014-08-01T12:20:26.3695591-05:00
"you have a skewed sense of religion, faith, and god" How's that?
reece says2014-08-01T12:20:28.5847875-05:00
He already knew it would all happen..
leonitus2464 says2014-08-01T12:20:29.0527935-05:00
You don't need to be here LogicalLunatic no one is forcing you to read the comments.
Preston says2014-08-01T12:20:32.5188235-05:00
@dr, so why are there so many faiths and if a child can understand it what do we have to know to read it!?!?!
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-01T13:22:06.4444790-05:00
Vote Yama for world leader. Dankeschon in advance.
leonitus2464 says2014-08-02T15:00:27.3765387-05:00
KreaKin it a united hummanity so one nation should not lead its would be a group effort.
LogicalLunatic says2014-08-04T16:08:36.5445562-05:00
Nevertheless, I receive a notification every time somebody comments on this.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-08-04T16:13:10.0490158-05:00
That sounds like a personal problem to me.
Preston says2014-08-06T10:48:45.4670763-05:00
^haha
debate_power says2014-08-06T10:49:32.4863805-05:00
We have to take measures to save ourselves as a species.
Preston says2014-08-06T10:50:28.5694590-05:00
It wont happen ever, its very first worldy to say lets have peace when other nations struggle to survive
debate_power says2014-08-06T10:51:20.3787897-05:00
Not very wise to assume something will never happen when you don't know for sure.
Preston says2014-08-06T10:52:45.3675897-05:00
No, its not illogical to assume that peoples cultures wont conflict (islam, shia, sunni)poverty wont exist, ect. We cant unite with inequality between countries
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T10:55:59.1345088-05:00
Debate_power: Even if the world did unite, the planet would almost certainly still be divided into countries/states/provinces. One government could not legislate for everyone. There would have to be devolved/state/local governments for different areas around the hypothetical united world.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:01:43.2430412-05:00
Than it wouldn't be representing the world, that's the point, if people arnt represented by the global rep than its not united
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:06:39.7366412-05:00
Good, then you do realize unity can happen.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:07:56.2390412-05:00
Preston: Well I wouldn't say that. What I mean is that there would be the global government and then the local governments. Just like in the US, you have state governments, and then you have the central Federal government. In this hypothetical world, some laws would be global, and then some could be administered/devolved to each country/State. It is true though, that countries would never vanish.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:09:55.0642412-05:00
Theres a difference between the US govt, and a global Govt, biggest thing is what unites them, we are united because we were founded by the smaller 13 colonies US, that was united due to English oppression. Globally there is no reason, and wars have caused hate between countries. Pakistan and india will never unite
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:12:37.8341224-05:00
Preston: Oh I agree, but I do not dismiss it as an impossibility, who is to say that (if in the unlikely scenario humanity lasts that long that) in a thousand years the Earth's nations may not be united? My point is, if this ever did happen it would probably be a US style system, and my point here is that the likes of countries will never vanish. Even if the world was united.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:15:51.3771432-05:00
That's why I don't believe its possible, any lack of representation results in a civil war, or someone seceding from the overall representation. The south felt underrepresented, the 13 colonies were underrepresented, the people of France felt underrepresented, ect. Even in 10000 years its impossible to grantee that no one will feel another group is favored.
Astal3 says2014-08-06T11:17:43.6681026-05:00
One of the biggest problems is the rest of the world is afraid and oppose the US being the leader of this world government. And me as an American will be damned if I live under someone else. Especially someplace like China or some middle eastern country. Nationalism is far from dead. There either has to be an external force threatening extinction. Or there is going to be the last world war that takes everything out and whoever survives bans together to live. But even then its unlikely
Preston says2014-08-06T11:18:20.0324019-05:00
That's true too, pride in ones individual country.
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:18:44.0412636-05:00
Yeah, sadly nationalism is far from dead. Shame not enough people want to help it on its way.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:19:07.9156926-05:00
Preston: Yeah chances are it will never happen, but my point is that even if it did, countries would still remain. And who is to say that I may not be tried (with countries) and then it fails because of the reasons you give? As depressing as it sounds, I think humanity's division will be our downfall and the likes of a nuclear wasteland (as our future), are for more likely to occur than amazing sci-fi style cities that we see on TV.
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:19:44.0400174-05:00
Agree with Zylor
Preston says2014-08-06T11:22:14.6164926-05:00
At the beginning that wasn't what you were saying but that's my point, division must cease to exist for global unity, or as stated earlier, the world must be threatened by some outside force.
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:24:15.8281405-05:00
National divisions can be dissolved. One government can control smaller puppet governments that provide representation.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:24:30.5707275-05:00
Preston: What exactly was I not saying at the beginning? Lol And Astal3: to be honest, everyone in every country will have that view.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:26:13.7823123-05:00
" I do not dismiss it as an impossibility, who is to say that (if in the unlikely scenario humanity lasts that long that) in a thousand years the Earth's nations may not be united?" you are saying it could happen, now your saying "chances are it will never happen"
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:27:43.4316097-05:00
Preston: Saying that the chances are it won't happen does not mean I say it is impossible though. It could be possible, I simply view it as extremely unlikely to happen.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:29:02.2579044-05:00
Never mind, im saying there is no possible way we all drop our differences, kill nationality, eliminate poverty, and form a united world
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:29:32.8337084-05:00
The key words here are "chances are", Preston.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:33:34.7918093-05:00
Im saying there's no chance, at all.
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-06T11:34:31.0886757-05:00
America, Russia, and China united could easily control the entire world.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:35:12.6790755-05:00
No yama, you could control the world
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:36:02.8184397-05:00
I would happily serve Yama any day ;)
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:37:07.9184916-05:00
Is Yama a Marxist?
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:39:07.0111818-05:00
Yama follows Yamism, but in all seriousness "America, Russia, and China united could easily control the entire world." No they could not, not in a way that would ensure peace anyway.
debate_power says2014-08-06T11:39:54.8560209-05:00
Hey Yama, could you give me the lowdown on Yamism?
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-06T11:49:05.7038949-05:00
Who said people would willingly serve? Peace is not achieved through free will. Peace is reached by breaking your enemies, killing rebels and forcing people to live in harmony. I'd start by abolishing religious 'freedoms'. People would follow rules on how they could practice. Women would be allowed to dress as they please; while being taught that they are mans's EQUAL, not their better. Men would be taught the same lesson. Bigots who segregate based on race and religion would be killed in public, for their crimes. A lasting reminder of what their 'traditions' will cost them. And if any dared to stand against me, they would be tortured and impaled in front of their loved ones. If given a choice, man will always start wars. By eliminating their will to fight and their freedoms, you can achieve peace. Then, I'd move on to the children. Twerking, and their ridiculous trends would quickly become punishable. After breaking their society down, I'll then rebuild it on Green Power. Money would no longer hold any meaning. Food would be mass produced on artificial islands in the oceans, and Antarctica would be redeveloped into a livable environment. Between enforced breeding laws and this new area of land, there would be plenty of space to go around. No matter how many bodies it takes, I want peace.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:51:15.8259972-05:00
And I thought Yamism was just a word I made up, but you actually do have an ideology lol.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:51:41.6756943-05:00
Yama I would fight you, I would lead the opposition, and win, I would have most of the USA, India Middle east, Africa, South America, ect.
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-06T11:52:33.2667492-05:00
States who willingly kneel will be given the option to maintain some form of culture and government. States who fight my power.. They will be given a number and assimilated.
Preston says2014-08-06T11:53:17.2743492-05:00
Were rebels, we would take to the mountains, planes, and deserts, all to kill yama
Preston says2014-08-06T11:54:36.9138642-05:00
We would take the internet down, destroy the world clocks, and capture the KG blocks.
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:55:33.6651492-05:00
Yama: I must admit the end result would actually be close to my ideal world, though I would never condone your methods in order to achieve it. And I wonder, you say in regards to children "Twerking, and their ridiculous trends would quickly become punishable". What "ridiculous trends" do you speak of?
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-06T11:56:29.9187492-05:00
Setting themselves on fire...
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T11:57:25.7979492-05:00
Yama: Fair enough, though I did think it could be anything...
Zylorarchy says2014-08-06T12:01:28.4185776-05:00
Yama: What about suicide though? Those who truly want to die, should surely be permitted to do so.
YamaVonKarma says2014-08-06T12:04:38.9294412-05:00
I'd let them. Less weak links in the gene pool.
Preston says2014-08-06T12:16:31.7695494-05:00
Yama, we would suicide bomb your limo
Astal3 says2014-08-06T14:14:28.0115508-05:00
There is a really good quote from the game commmd and conquer. It says "Peace through power". That statement alone sums up everything it would take to have true peace
LogicalLunatic says2014-08-11T16:09:15.0682751-05:00
The large amount of people voting yes leads me to the conclusion that most people are sheep.
Astal3 says2014-08-11T16:57:32.3403908-05:00
How so?
reece says2014-08-29T06:43:28.5308482-05:00
@LogicalLunatic Literally one of the worst ideas ever.Why?
mshenko says2014-09-21T23:56:18.5353936-05:00
A world government is a great future, but there is one condition: first all countries must be democratic. In those conditions humanity can enter into a true and lasting golden age, dissolve it's monetary system, make sure everybody has everything and develop wonderful technologies. But again, the problem is russia, china and the muslim world who had not undergone secularisation
MasterDebater0 says2014-09-24T00:36:54.0431319-05:00
I think we should, but it's gonna take an invasion by ET to make it happen.
reece says2014-09-24T00:38:41.3000671-05:00
@MasterDebater0 It would make it happen quicker but it's not necessary.
MasterDebater0 says2014-09-24T02:47:17.9247080-05:00
Reece: The alternative is to globally end the causes of war and hate between countries, such as lack of resources, religious differences, past wrongs, racism, etc. You'd have to make all groups of people reasonably economically equal, make them understand that the past is the past, convert everyone to atheism, and teach people that all people are equal. If countries hate each other, there is no way they will form a cohesive alliance, let alone a world government. There is no feasible way I know of to make that happen. Do you have any ideas?
reece says2014-09-25T01:14:50.3225521-05:00
@MasterDebater0 spending as much money as possible on education and allowing all people to come into your country and learn but within reason.Teaching everyone to be humanist is the way to go.It will happen in due time, it's even happening as we speak. Science is the engine of prosperity. America should focus on this problem.
patmagsc says2014-10-18T21:31:58.1063496-05:00
Depends on the government form being proposed, the costs/benefits, the freedoms offered, the expectations, the amount of representation one would actually get, the fairness, the ability for it to pay its debts vs the gov one might be in currently, the loopholes created, the choices, the rights a citizen gets, what happens to non member states, and the amount of potential corruption.
5Debater says2014-10-28T05:32:33.1687020-05:00
Due to the many, many cultures, religions and ethnic groups, there's no way that you can put everyone into a single nation. Its like putting a cat and a dog in the same cage. They'll fight, just like the world. Unless we genetically erradicate race with all the mixed-culture couples and marriages.
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-10-28T07:50:54.1279076-05:00
How would exterminating people of different skin color make things better? They are human to.
5Debater says2014-10-28T15:26:09.3210208-05:00
Not like that. I mean that if every race merges over time, we might erradicate race, thus ending our differences.
reece says2015-02-17T03:41:14.2681663-06:00
@5Debater It's already been predicted that the color of all races mixing would be anjou pear. They also gave a time on when it will happen but i forgot. I think we will merge with machines far before that time comes though.
Jazjustice says2015-02-20T12:59:35.4871090-06:00
I voted yes, but would not want the United States having control of the founding. Rather it be a rational country like Iceland

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