Should "Under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?

Posted by: HHawkins99

I encourage everyone to explain their position.

  • Yes

  • No

44% 29 votes
56% 37 votes
  • It wasn't there in the original. It was added in the 50's when everybody was nuts.

  • The pledge should resort to how it originally was, and that was when the pledge states "One nation indivisible" instead of "One nation under god."

  • Even though I am a Jesuit, I believe this should be removed, most people in the US might not be christian but might be Hinduism.

  • It was a statement added by politicians to make a stance against Russia during the Cold War in the same vain as calling french fries, freedom fries after the Iraq invasion. The major difference between the two situations I just mentioned though was that the first one directly contradicts the words and interpretations of the first amendment of the United States' Constitution. The other major differences is that support of keeping it in place in this country would have a vastly different response if the word God was followed by or substituted with Yahweh or Allah.

  • The pledge is a stupid idea anyway

  • America was founded as a secular nation defined by its constitution. It seems like the pledge of allegiance is a contradiction that needs to be fixed.

  • This quote from the ACLJ sums up my position quite well. "Recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is fully consistent with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The words of the Pledge echo the conviction held by the Founders of this Nation that our freedoms come from God. Congress inserted the phrase 'One Nation Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance for the express purpose of reaffirming America's unique understanding of this truth, and to distinguish America from atheistic nations who recognize no higher authority than the State."

  • "Under God" is the most important part of the Pledge of Allegiance, because it is a reflection on how our country was founded upon Judeo-Christian values. Plus, there are already references to God and Christianity in historical American documents, such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. You cannot change those documents, so why would you change the Pledge of Allegiance to exclude "under God"?

  • American has been One Nation Under God since it was founded, and that's the way it always will be.

  • Christianity was a huge part of our country becoming what it is. Sure it was added for anti communist purposes, but that doesn't mean we still have to view it in that sense

    Posted by: Dickus
  • "Under God" is not merely a Christian phrase, though many people choose that stance when defending it (probably because most Americans are Christian). Jews, Muslims, and Hindus all accept "God" as a title for their creator being. To me this does not establish a state religion because it is ambiguous to which religion the state is referring; the phrase can be omitted by individuals who are opposed to reciting it; and it reflects the beliefs of over 80% of Americans.

  • If not under God, who are we under?

  • God is a concept which binds the races together. Also, what is a right if it does not come from God? There is no reason to talk of rights if there is no God.

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triangle.128k says2016-02-18T22:55:58.0485297Z
@NewLifeChristian The Constitution has no references to God or Christianity.
Olympia_E says2016-02-25T20:10:29.5305592Z
I say Yes. Why? Because although the world might be mostly Christian, there ARE other religions out there. Buddhism, Hindu, Atheism, Judaism, Islam, Baha'i Faith, Taoism, Sikhism, Slavic Neopaganism, Celtic Polytheism, Heathenism, Semitic Neopaganism, Wicca, Kemetism, Hellenism, Italio-Roman Neopaganism, and more. Yes, they mostly all have a God, but still... For all those people who are uncomfortable with saying the words "Under God" as in the Christian God, they should have they freedom to 1) Not say the Pledge of Allegiance OR 2) Have the freedom to not say just the words "Under God". People who discriminate people who do not say those words, are probably not following the rules of the God you pray to everyday in School. Hang on.. School? Yes. That's another topic. At my school, you are not allowed to wear Religious symbols, BUT you ARE allowed to wear Christian symbols. Only the cross is allowed. You are not allowed to wear the Swastika, the Star of David, and more. If you read my schools' rules, you will read Topic 5 Sub-Topic 2, ".....Students and staff are not allowed to wear Religious symbols or any religious hats. They may impose ideas on fellow students and staff....." There is more, but I believe that sentence is the most important of that topic.
NewLifeChristian says2016-02-25T21:21:48.6759143Z
@triangle.128k Yes, it does. The Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath (http://www.Internationalcopsforchrist.Com/proof-that-america-was-founded-as-a-christian-nation/).
triangle.128k says2016-02-25T21:24:27.6342084Z
@NewLifeChristian Find some website online that displays the Constitution, press Control F, then type in God, Jesus, or Christianity. How many references show up?
NewLifeChristian says2016-02-25T21:29:54.7839055Z
@triangle.128k Okay, the Constitution may not have the words "God", "Jesus", or "Christianity" in its text; however, as I said in my last post, there are references to Christianity within the Constitution. If you would've read the article by International Cops for Christ, you would've seen that not only does the Constitution honor the Christian Sabbath, but it was also signed in the "Year of our Lord".
triangle.128k says2016-02-25T21:33:38.4269391Z
First off, the Declaration has no relevancy to the US Government. It was instead a middle finger to Great Britain and a document to the rest of the world on why they're being independent. When it mentioned "creator," it wasn't meaning that the Colonists were declaring independence clearly in the name of religion. If you read the whole document, you'll clearly see that independence was being declared simply for reasons of political oppression. Plus, there are non-Christians and even non-religious people that use phrases such as "Oh my god" or "Jesus Christ." They're not referring to God necessarily, it's just a figure of speech.
triangle.128k says2016-02-25T21:40:46.4780830Z
Now onto the Constitution, the reason Sunday was excluded from signing a bill is because people usually relax on Sunday even if they're not going to Church. (This might be changing in modern times of course). "Year of our lord" was clearly mentioned to show strong language, there's nothing in the Constitution promoting the USA as being biased in favor of Christians or not being a secular state. Also, Christianity isn't a state religion which only proves this idea wrong further. Restarting myself again in regards to Christian reference in the peace treaty of Paris, this again has nothing to do with the US being a Christian state. Nobody declared peace "in the name of Christianity," it was just used as strong language or to express a point.
triangle.128k says2016-02-25T21:45:28.3279147Z
Maybe I'm wrong about the Constitution, but "year of the lord" wasn't painting a Christian state, it was a expression to put a point forward. The pledge on the other hand began with no "under god" phrase in it. Why do you want to put the phrase to create a bias favoring monotheistic religions in the pledge?
NewLifeChristian says2016-02-25T21:47:32.9854888Z
@triangle.128k Okay, putting aside the Declaration of Independence, is there any way to refute the fact that the Constitution makes references to Christianity? In addition to the Constitution, the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 (which formally declared the United States separate from Great Britain), clearly states, "In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinityā€¯ at the beginning of the document (www.Law.Ou.Edu/ushistory/paris.Shtml).
triangle.128k says2016-02-25T21:51:13.0343531Z
@NLC Read the rest of my comments.
NewLifeChristian says2016-02-26T21:18:07.4071772Z
@triangle.128k Okay, I've read your comments, but why would the Pledge of Allegiance be creating a bias in favor of monotheistic religions? Hindus (which would technically be considered polytheistic) accept the title "God".
Anonymous123467876 says2016-07-20T23:52:09.6079847Z
We were founded as a Christian nation and God means God so that can be whatever u believe God is for ur religion
Black-Jesus says2016-07-21T01:25:20.2965834Z
Um... What?

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