Should video games be considered a competitive sport?

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rlayman says2016-02-18T17:28:10.3832510Z
Yes
Dragonfire0522 says2016-02-18T17:48:33.6644089Z
Where tf is the yes button??
TBR says2016-02-18T18:41:54.7728865Z
I think this has been asked a dozen or more times. No, video games are not a sport.
mostlogical says2016-02-18T19:33:54.6745634Z
Yes, a sport is a competitive and physical activity involving skill. Video games are highly competitive, they require skill and physical movements. Why is there no 'yes' button?
TBR says2016-02-18T19:45:50.8127540Z
The physical ability is not part of the game. Dexterity is not athletic. It's not demeaning to the activity, but it sure is not a sport.
PinkSheep123 says2016-02-18T20:05:56.3853553Z
YES!
NightcoredNeko says2016-02-18T20:54:19.5514919Z
There isn't a yes button?
TBR says2016-02-18T21:21:41.1250841Z
The question is not about if people can compete, or if there should be organized tournaments etc. The question is, is it a sport. No it is not. Is chess a sport? D&D? How about stamp collecting?
reece says2016-02-18T22:58:52.4985951Z
@TBR 'What's sport without blood sacrifice' says a native of the pre columbian era.
TBR says2016-02-18T23:05:00.6616425Z
@reece - Again, this is not some insult to gaming, simply a reasonable limit to the term "sports". Why work so hard to make it something it is not? There are many competitive activities that simply are not sports, right?
reece says2016-02-18T23:13:34.3828145Z
@TBR There is no such thing as tradition. All things evolve. Definitions/actions change as societies learn and progress. The older you get, the more socially conservative you get. It's okay grandpa, i'll get off your lawn.
TBR says2016-02-18T23:17:55.4555085Z
Reece - No need to get all hostile. I said nothing of tradition, or that language can't grow, only that there is no reason to call all activities sports, no shame in it being what it is, not a sport.
reece says2016-02-18T23:22:07.4283369Z
@TBR Sorry, i didn't mean to be hostile. Define sport?
TBR says2016-02-18T23:26:37.7312696Z
No problem reece. The def given above works well. "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment." Now, the fact that sports are associated with physical activity that are geared towards definable wins and losses is fine. That is the notion, that is what the word describes. Gaming is fine by me. It simply falls out the reasonable limits of the word "sport".
reece says2016-02-18T23:29:00.1601826Z
@TBR Now define physical exertion?
reece says2016-02-18T23:38:23.2281842Z
@TBR stamp collecting wouldn't be considered a sport under your definition. Speed chess could be. Most forms of gaming we're talking about would be.
reece says2016-02-18T23:39:07.8025684Z
Video gaming that is.
TBR says2016-02-18T23:46:07.4423677Z
I don't think so reece. Speed chess could be played with a keyboard. There is no inherent physical activity to the game. That is, the purpose of the game is apart from any bit of physical activity regardless of how animated players might be.
reece says2016-02-19T00:01:10.8441587Z
@TBR You're no making sense? Isn't developing procedural memory via eye–hand coordination a physical exertion if done by competition?
reece says2016-02-19T00:01:56.2248496Z
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TBR says2016-02-19T00:05:35.6870564Z
No. It is not physical activity. The only reason to pursue this is because of some sense that gaming is "less" when not considered a sport. Why? Really, I am asking why SHOULD it be considered a sport? Not the "well, dexterity and ..." or "eye and...". That is not what I mean. Why intellectually do you, or anyone WANT it to be called a sport? Its a different thing, and that is not necessarily bad.
reece says2016-02-19T00:18:31.9324323Z
@TBR All actions you take have a physical property. Physical exertion is about exerting muscles to get/keep fit... Hands have muscles. Anyone blanketly calling them anything less than a sport are ignorant or intellectually dishonest.
reece says2016-02-19T00:27:01.8529010Z
It's still gaming like any other sport though.
TBR says2016-02-19T00:27:19.7618158Z
No its just not. Look, you were willing to exclude stamp collecting. By your very loose definition it would have the qualities of exerting physical activity. That is not the intent of the word, so we both agree that it is not a sport. || You still don't seem to give any reasons why anyone should want to call it a sport.
TBR says2016-02-19T00:29:49.1639735Z
Normal respiration by this definition passes the physical activity barrier. Masterbating. A slew of stuff we don't recognize as sports. Both breathing and masterbating are very good things, but not calling them sports does not degrade them, or open me to accusations of intellectually dishonest, ignorance, being "too old" or anything else. They are just not sports. Whats the problem?
reece says2016-02-19T00:35:52.9115052Z
@TBR Yeah, i briefly thought about that. I admit stamp collecting would be a sport if you set up a competition that meet the requirements. We can call it a sport because we technically can. Social conservatives can't handle nuance ideas.
reece says2016-02-19T00:53:31.1442887Z
@TBR We're not redefining what sports is. We're just starting to call it a sport because it technically is one. And it's become more popular in the public arena. Michio Kaku (a theoretical physicist) thinks soccer will be our type 1 civilizations sport. But i think it will be video gaming.
reece says2016-02-19T00:56:26.9418156Z
With the rise of VR head sets, etc.
TBR says2016-02-19T01:00:36.4217641Z
It seems to me recee that you still have not answer my questions. I don't see how gaming is hurt by NOT calling it a sport. What the the desire TO call it a sport. It screams inferiority complex to me. Play competitive gaming, all good. Play competitive chess, or debate. All good activities that are not sports.
reece says2016-02-19T01:15:54.4273021Z
@TBR I'll use some social conservative views against you... Is gay marriage, marriage? Are women equal to men? Social conservatives rely on feelings and what they're used to. Facts go out the window. People are treating it inferior be not admitting it as a sport
reece says2016-02-19T01:17:56.8360841Z
All sports are games, but not all games a sport.
reece says2016-02-19T01:20:00.2328751Z
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TBR says2016-02-19T01:20:05.1937069Z
I would say to anyone who is demeaning gaming, you are handing ammo to by insisting on calling it a sport. It would seem to me that it has no net gain to fight a fight that has no real meaning. Sports are one thing, competitive gaming is another. I don't think most of the things in x-games are sports. I don't think many of the exhibition sports (with soft scoring) qualify as sports.
reece says2016-02-19T01:31:04.3447322Z
@TBR The same type of ammo that women and blacks handed for their rights? I know this is nowhere near as important, but they're easy extremes to use as examples. It is real meaning... It's technically correct to call competitive video gaming sport. You're thinking with your feelings. I'm not trying to be rude.
TBR says2016-02-19T01:38:12.4580097Z
We are past the rude thing. However, I am not being emotional. Honestly I think you are. Some sort of feeling of being belittled by your activity being called "less than" some recognised sport. Why? This same sort of thing comes up with things like ice dancing or freestyle bmx. I have seen polls on this. Not sports. It's fine, but why try to shoehorn it into a sport? What makes it "better" by calling it a sport?
reece says2016-02-19T01:57:32.1073101Z
@TBR You told me it isn't a sport (you still are without any facts backing you up. All you have been saying is 'i think this, i think that). I responded with facts on why competitive gaming is a sport. You then reverted back to repeating yourself why i want to call it one. I've replied that it technically is a sport, and people are treating it inferior by not calling it one... Like i said - "All sports are games, but not all games a sport." Sport is a next rank from gaming.
reece says2016-02-19T02:07:10.2938164Z
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TBR says2016-02-19T02:11:18.1170050Z
Well, I have. We don't need to go around on this, but it falls outside the definition provided. It is not predominantly a physical activity. Any amount of physical activity is as ancillary to the game as me typing this reply. I see no fact that disputes this, or at least any we have disagreed on. I can't buy that the reason it is deemed is that it is not called a sport. Chess is not deemed by not being called a sport.
reece says2016-02-19T02:28:57.1609937Z
@TBR Well, you haven't. Physical exhaustion doesn't require a "predominantly physical activity." I'm not saying it's deemed because it's a sport. Having the status of sport comes with advantages.
reece says2016-02-19T02:29:47.9861195Z
Because it's not called a sport* i mean.
TBR says2016-02-19T02:39:47.1943441Z
So you are sticking with gaming is a physical activity? Where is the reasonable line? Chess requires movement. Dance. As I said, breathing does. Is life really a sport? Come on. It is an unnecessary stretch to try to classify the activity that is NOT a part of the actual activity as physical activity in the same vein as sports. On the flip side, I have given examples of activities that are highly physical that still don't qualify as sports. Freestyle BMX, or ice dancing. || It so sounds to me like you have a chip on your shoulder about this, and I can't see why really. It make little sense to me to insist that gaming is a sport rather than just get along with it and compete as you would. The world of gaming will gain traction or not, but this unnecessary and poorly fitting term has no part of that.
reece says2016-02-19T03:09:20.2007287Z
@TBR Remember, there are multiple requirements for something to be technically a sport. Standard chess isn't physically exhausting. We're really having a debate on whether dance (if you mean competitive dance) is a sport? Of course it is, even by your personal standards. Obviously life is a sport. Why do you think hunting is called sport? Jokes aside... Who would you compete against, and what would be the goal? Freestyle BMX and ice dancing are sports if they're competitive and have goals (Freestyle BMX as in scoring combos/tricks.) Progressives are all about social movements.
reece says2016-02-19T03:17:50.8611850Z
Life would be a sport if the goal was to try live the longest.
reece says2016-02-19T03:24:37.5457257Z
Sports are restricted to the goal, and rules if there is any. I agree that life as a whole isn't a sport. Sports have set restrictions, life doesn't.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:38:08.1826336Z
There are multiple requirements for something to be technically a sport. Standard chess isn't physically exhausting. We're really having a debate on whether dance (if you mean competitive dance) is a sport? Of course it is, even by your personal standards. || No it is not. The physical part is done, but dance is exhibition. Works or art, not sport.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:39:39.9285860Z
Why do you think hunting is called sport? || It is not. Not to me. There are sporting dogs, there are sporting rifles, all terms that have their place. Hunting is not a sport. Shooting competitively IS a sport.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:41:07.4780308Z
Freestyle BMX and ice dancing are sports if they're competitive and have goals (Freestyle BMX as in scoring combos/tricks.) Progressives are all about social movements. || Not a sport. Subjective scoring. No clear goal. They pass the physical mark, but not the other definitions.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:42:23.0151676Z
Progressives are all about social movements. || This is completely meaningless. It embarises me a bit to think that you must attempt to draw politics into this sort of conversation.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:43:28.6616508Z
Sports are restricted to the goal, and rules if there is any. || If there are no rules, there is no sport. If there is no goal, there is no sport.
TBR says2016-02-19T04:46:52.1064672Z
I am going to go to bed with a couple points. 1) Your activity does not need to be a sport for it to have meaning to you. 2) It does not need to be called a sport for it to have worth. 3) Regardless of how anyone, including me, classify it, it is up to the participants to make it work. 4) Don't get worked up, don't insist on expanding the meaning of a word to give credence to what you like. Not worth it, not going to make it any better.
reece says2016-02-19T05:25:31.1371280Z
@TBR 1. Everything is a form of art. Competitive dance is just also a sport. 2. I was joking. 3. The goal to impress? 4. Progressivism and conservatism go beyond politics. They're two apposing mentalities. 5. I don't agree that rules are a necessity. They're just there for safety reasons and "fair play." 6... 6a. I know. 6b. Like i said, the status of sport comes with advantages. Such as increasing it's reach to a larger audience via media. 6c. A larger audience will contribute. 6d. I'm not worked up, and i'm not expanding the meaning, You're using social norms to justify how you define it. I'm using the definition. It takes time for people to change their strongly held positions.
reece says2016-02-19T05:27:01.8378536Z
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TBR says2016-02-19T15:46:47.5399179Z
Reece - We may have dissected this enough by this point, but "increasing it's reach to a larger audience via media" I disagree entirely with this. Terming one thing something or another has no bearing on its acceptance. Slight marketing edge? Doubtful, but nothing has ever stopped marketing people from calling something anything they like - its just disingenuous. || Last point. I sincerely think you are wrapped up in a mindset that is causing you undue harm. You want me to believe I am just a stick in the mud about it, but honestly I would say to you that is backwards. There is no purpose for being dogmatic about calling an activity something it is not. It is like begging for the scraps of football. "Please guy, come on, were a sport too you know!". F*ck that. It makes no sense and few are truly affected by your plea.
reece says2016-02-20T00:58:19.3503423Z
@TBR Yeah, I've gotten board.
reece says2016-02-20T01:00:40.5000471Z
Bored*
PoppyJay says2016-02-24T13:24:32.1845246Z
People can have their own opinion on this, but let's look at a fact here. The definition of Competitive is "of, relating to, or characterized by competition." The definition of Sport is "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. "team sports such as baseball and soccer"." You can determine what you believe via the definitions, though I do define some Video Games as competitive, though not all. But video games like Pokemon and CS:GO do have people who use reflexes (CS:GO), strategy (Pokemon & CS:GO) and diverse choices. (Pokemon)
PoppyJay says2016-02-24T13:24:54.1962657Z
People can have their own opinion on this, but let's look at a fact here. The definition of Competitive is "of, relating to, or characterized by competition." The definition of Sport is "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. "team sports such as baseball and soccer"." You can determine what you believe via the definitions, though I do define some Video Games as competitive, though not all. But video games like Pokemon and CS:GO do have people who use reflexes (CS:GO), strategy (Pokemon & CS:GO) and diverse choices. (Pokemon) The choice is yours.
the_ginger says2016-03-31T20:48:53.8829899Z
Absolutely
MasterCheeez says2016-04-12T15:39:34.9320315Z
There are already plenty of esports out there so I as well as plenty of other people think that video games are a sport
DemosthenesWiggin says2016-07-26T17:41:58.1375374Z
@TBR You say video games are not a sport, but would you recognize them as a valid job? (i.E. Should people be able to get a work visa for professional gaming)
AlFox says2017-03-25T05:08:30.9035779Z
Where's the "Yes" button? They are already considered a sport
ozu says2017-07-12T02:11:38.3180047Z
All the people arguing that chess or e-sports have no physical activity are Cartesian dualists!

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