Should we help refugees

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Should we care about our selfs first or help them

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If you can please explain why
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UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T01:43:07.3210435Z
@idoubtit The last place with any right to complain about being "invaded" is Europe. After all, only a century ago half of the Middle East was under European colonial rule (as was a third of the world)
tajshar2k says2015-10-02T01:45:08.7278654Z
2 wrongs don't make a right. Europe can complain all they want. They are being invaded.
tajshar2k says2015-10-02T01:46:08.6948810Z
That's like saying Palestinians should be the last ones complaining about being oppressed, because they supported Hitler in WW2. Doesn't make any sense.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T01:49:18.7972624Z
@tajshar2k I don't see any soldiers on the ground, I don't see any Syrian planes bombing European territory, neither do I see any form of military action against Europe. These aren't people looking to conquer a continent. These are people are refugees, asylum seekers with little else to go.
tajshar2k says2015-10-02T01:51:46.6063149Z
I don't think by invading, he meant by military force.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T01:51:50.0538928Z
@tajshar2k Palestine was a British Colony in WW2.
triangle.128k says2015-10-02T01:52:07.1055835Z
@UtherPenguin Europe isn't excluded from the right to complain because of past colonialism. A lot of the western world is better off since the Europeans invaded. (Israel, South Africa, Canada, Australia, etc.)
tajshar2k says2015-10-02T01:52:20.8490954Z
Enter (a place, situation, or sphere of activity) in large numbers, especially with intrusive effect
tajshar2k says2015-10-02T01:55:10.1246103Z Palestinians supported Hitler.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T02:10:36.5712717Z
@tajshar2k The same could be argued about Mexican immigrants entering the US. In fact, the same could be applied to any large scale refugee crisis. Yet some how it's this situation in particular that gets branded as an "invasion". Due to the Europe's aging population and low fertility rate, it is economically dependent on immigrants.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T02:12:48.9374232Z
@trianle.128k The Incas, Mayans, Aztec and countless other Native North/South American cultures were not better off under colonialism. Neither was, China, the Middle East or the vast majority of Africa.
triangle.128k says2015-10-02T02:16:04.0565728Z
@UtherPenguin South Africa still has a western impact and they're the most developed African country. China is catching up, the middle east is just insane. You can't blame european colonialism on everything, it's had a positive impact in some places.
UtherPenguin says2015-10-02T02:19:42.7045866Z
@triangle128k The economic development in South Africa came after decades of apartheid, in which the white minority subjugated, segregated and marginalized the black majority. China's economic development came about after the Chinese "century of humiliation", which was (with the exception of Japan) spurred on by Europe. Some places may have had positive impacts thanks to colonialism, but not the majority of places.
idoubtit says2015-10-02T11:47:52.6450342Z
In recent times, I don't know of the Europeans in the Middle East destroying their culture, or doing anything other than trying to prevent slaughter. As for ancient times, Europeans in the Middle East didn't come about until after Islam invaded and were killing Jews and Christians, destroying their temples, etc. So long ago it's irrelevant, but if the Crusades are repeatedly brought up as excuse for Muslim hatred (not here), it should be mentioned. Regardless, the people of Europe have every right and reason to protect themselves. I've not seen anyone here mention the news reports of rapes occurring in Europe due to all those hoards of young men who regard women (and children) not in a Burka and owned and protected by a man, as fair game per their entitled standards.
IPrayForYourSouls says2015-10-17T04:21:07.1185205Z
I volunteer with a refugee program and I've met a few families. They all came to America to find a way out of oppression, slavery, or other devastating circumstances. I don't know how you could look a little girl in the eyes and tell her she doesn't deserve to move someone safe that will provide her with human rights and freedoms, simply because she was born somewhere else.
idoubtit says2015-10-17T12:53:12.3682442Z
@IPrayForYourSouls. It's not about little girls and their families. It's about hoards of violent Muslim young men from areas crawling with radical Islamic extremists. Most people have no issue with taking in real refugees, especially children and their mothers/families, and double especially the Christians being attacked, raped, murdered.
Emilrose says2015-10-17T14:11:39.6339668Z
@UtherPenguin, Palestine may have formally been under British control (1917-1948) but the Palestinians still had their own political entities, such as Haj Amin al-Husseini, who was appointed grand mufti of Jerusalem in 1921. Ever since the late 1910's and early 1920's there was a powerful and united Palestinian movement against incoming Jews and the creation of a Jewish state. The Mufti certainly did sympathize with the Nazi's and he even met Hitler (along with other Nazi leaders) and requested that they enable Arab Palestinians and Arab countrues to 'solve the problem of the Jewish elements' in the Middle East. After the WW2 had ended, former Yugoslavia attempted to indict the Mufti for war crimes against Jews. He had recruited over 20,000 Arab men to join the SS and assist with the persecution of Jews in Europe. Arab Palestine was thus very much an active supporter of Hitler.
Emilrose says2015-10-17T14:17:19.6269050Z
@IPrayForYourSouls, and so? You can't base an argument off meeting with a 'few families' or indeed rely exclusively on examples such as looking a little girl in the face, which is merely an attempt to appeal to the emotions of people. That's one major thing that's wrong with this migrant crisis and media reporting of it.
Emilrose says2015-10-17T14:21:08.9981159Z
Besides that this poll is clearly biased, primarily on the basis that not all of them are 'refugess' (in fact quite a large portion) and it has nothing to with 'helping' or not.

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