Should we release sanctions on Iran and the Iranian nuclear deals

Posted by: Dabate101

I say absolutely NO to a nuclear Iran!! Empowering and strengthening a country that chants death to america and supports terrorism is absolutely absurd!!

  • United States of America

  • Iran

54% 7 votes
46% 6 votes
  • NO NUCLEAR IRAN!! We the united states of america are supporting a country that chants death to america!! WHAT!! What is our country coming to!! If we arm Iran with nuclear weapons, Israel will fall and america will be next. Iran is the number one supporter of terrorism in the world and has been targeting america since September 11th 2001. These deals will bring DEATH to America. This can't be done!!

  • This is just a dumb idea. It's Obama's way of "leveling the playing field across the globe" as was his campaign promise in 2008 & 2012. Democrats back him 100% because they share the ideological title of "Democrat" and are too gosh darn blinded by stupidity to oppose a bad deal; this is prevalent in everything Obama has pushed for in his presidency, it's actually pretty sickening they can't think for themselves. This same "level the playing field" tactic has been ongoing his entire presidency but outside of the Middle East, people don't really realize it because the mass media doesn't cover it. Look at Eastern Europe, China, Southeast Asia, South America, etc. We are even allowing japan to build a military force, not because they are allies and friends, modernized and ready to be a productive, self-sufficient member of the world; but instead, we are allowing them to do so in order to start removing American troops from Japan and its territories along the Asian-Pacific region. This is so Obama can wash America's hands of China's aggressiveness AND North Korea's threats of nuclear attack. If Japan has a military force and North Korea or China attack them in any capacity, Obama can simply say "Since Japan now has a military force fully capable of defending itself, the U.S. no longer has the obligation to fight along side or on behalf of Japan in any military capacity." He will then continue on about how we will provide aide to Japan and how we will engage our military ONLY if it is absolutely necessary AND with the joint cooperation of the U.N. and all allied nations...or something of the sort.

  • Biased poll

  • The Iran Nuclear Deal is good. I'm so tired of this talk of them getting nukes. If they wanted nukes, they would have ways to get them outside of the deal. This deal isn't just "Murica vs Iranian Muzlims", its also China, Russia, England, France, Germany and us. The P5+1. The money wont be used for terrorist means nor will they use nukes to destroy Israel. First off, do you really think they want to nuke the Rock on the Mountain? That's almost like assuming they would be willing to nuke Mecca. It's not going to happen. Also, Israel and Pakistan have nukes. So unless you are willing to rid all nukes of the world, America and Israel have no real right to tell a nation they can not get a nuke. Not that the deal is allowing that. First off, who honestly, with a brain, thinks Iran would literally nuke Israel, let alone the US. The US spends more on the military than all the modernizations combined. And Israel spends more on theirs and they have a special force that is well known for being one of the most highly skilled SF's. They wont attack and if they did, they know it's be a death wish. Some will cry "they scream 'DEATH TO AMERICA!'". Yea, maybe in the past and they had some legitimate good reason. I mean, look at our history in the Middle East and the effects there. Also, the sanctions put on them were there to originally do this deal in the first place. Iran is NOT, and I absolutely repeat, NOT the number one supporter of terrorism. Who is more of a supporter? The damn Saudi's. You know, the nation where our beloved Mr. George Bush held hands with one of the princes? Yea, they are by far more paying supporters to terrorist than Iran and no Iran is not perfect and I hate their government, but that doesn't mean invade their nation to stop them from getting nukes. Invasion which is the only other way to stop them. And by the way, who is helping attack ISIS? Iran. They are literally helping us. Who is fighting the ideology responsible for the funding of 9/11? Iran. The Sunnies. I ran is Shia. Not fundamentalist Sunnie, which were the ones who attacked us on 9/11, Taliban, etc. Sorry, anyone claiming these silly notions are just intellectually lying and factually incorrect. Also, why does no one rant about Saudi Arabia? They behead people, cruify people (literally...), whip people and so on. Our oil buddies. The one Bush held hands with. No, I'm sorry, people only go after Iran because it likely sounds like and looks like Iraq and they don't know the difference of the history of the Middle East. If you attack one, attack all and be factual. Don't just go after one and be some paranoid child with knee jerk, sophomoric reactions like us and our "precious Israel" being nuked, when that will never freaking happen. If you are legitimately skeptical of the deal and my position, than just read the freaking papers yourself and be rational. That's fine. But I'm so tired of being on the forefront of these battles to fight ignorance of the Nuclear Deal. The same people spouting "we can't give them a nuke" without knowing what the deal actually is about. But hey, if you rather go to war, by all means, you best be ready to spear head on the front lines.

    Posted by: Berend
  • If the USA can have nuclear bombs and use them then any country should be allowed nuclear bombs.

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UtherPenguin says2015-09-24T17:51:02.7568330Z
How did you get out of Iraq? Iran.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-24T17:51:27.1862764Z
@UtherPenguin Oman stop the puns.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-24T17:51:36.6710156Z
You Mecca me laugh
UtherPenguin says2015-09-24T17:52:12.3011872Z
Are you Syrious?! This Isreali getting on my nerves.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-24T17:52:41.4116006Z
*Israeli
triangle.128k says2015-09-25T01:00:07.6759339Z
@UtherPenguin Can you stop? Making middle eastern jokes Israelly not funny. I knew a girl who did it once, of course jihad to do it...
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-25T01:03:45.2689183Z
@triangle.128k -- LOL, you said Israelly
triangle.128k says2015-09-25T01:04:59.9657326Z
I syriasly never Saudis jokes coming.
Dabate101 says2015-09-25T01:34:22.0752378Z
What is so bias about it?
Dabate101 says2015-09-25T01:36:11.6559481Z
I have to admit triangle.128k, that was cold.
triangle.128k says2015-09-25T01:41:48.6459752Z
@Dabate101 If you're insisting that the Iran nuclear deal is choosing between supporting Iran or the US, then it's very biased. I completely hate Iran, but I support the deal.
Berend says2015-09-25T08:41:54.5185731Z
Well, I didn't need to come in and explain. It seems triangle.128k has it covered. Also, Lol at the M.E. Jokes.
Berend says2015-09-25T09:02:33.0734740Z
OK, I gave my short argument for this. More of a rant, but still. Also, the first two comments tat vote Pro make literally no sense. The creator and first post, who is clearly having a childish knee jerk reaction to the deal and parroting Fox News misinformation, legitimately believes Iran will get a nuke with the deal, lunch it at both a place the Iranians consider has holy, next to Mecca (The Temple on the Mountain) and then the US. Really? I can't take anyone who thinks that will happen seriously. Iran would have a death wish of the likes they have never seen or the world if they even tried it. The second post isn't even addressing the darn poll, just going off on some derailed rant about Obama and other junk. Literally giving nothing to the side. This polls a joke.
triangle.128k says2015-09-25T12:52:51.7680566Z
@Berend I know, it's stupid. The iran government might be stupid, but not to the extent where they'd drop nuclear weapons against America. That would just f*ck themselves up.
BIGC says2015-09-29T13:00:43.6836137Z
@berend you are a mislead sole
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-29T18:45:08.5119559Z
@triangle -- It's not about dropping a nuclear weapon, it's about HAVING the weapon which deters military and economic intervention WHEN they keep going after Israel and supporting terror around the world...As they already do.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-29T18:46:42.1123559Z
Let's think about this guys: how many decisions that Obama has pushed in the past 7 years have had positive results...Positive results that outweigh negative results? I have still yet to count 1 single victory for him. Can you think of any?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-29T19:40:33.9312586Z
@Berend -- Reading comprehension; connect the two stupid. Another one of Obama's moves to "level the playing field". The fact that you don't understand the connections shows exactly why you support the deal...Because you're too close minded and frankly stupid to see the big picture.
Berend says2015-09-30T05:54:41.4729775Z
@BIGC, let us take a look at what you just said. "you are a mislead sole" How can anyone take what you say seriously is you don't know the difference between 'sole' and 'soul'? I'm no mislead 'soul', I'm just actually educated on the world political, economical, and religious works of the world. I don't deny them the Nuke Deal on the basis of them nuking either us or your precious & fallacious "Holy Land". Why? Because I'm not a child making incredibly stupid statements.
Berend says2015-09-30T06:01:15.1621483Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont, who are you to talk about reading comprehension when you can't make a comprehensive, well structured and intelligent comment in regards to the nuclear deal being bad without it being the most convoluted thing next to what vi_spex puts out. Sorry, dear, my ability to comprehend things is quite all right. "@Berend -- Reading comprehension; connect the two stupid."-Ad hominem. "Another one of Obama's moves to "level the playing field"."-Evidence, please. Simple rambling rants mean nothing here. "The fact that you don't understand the connections shows exactly why you support the deal..."-"The fact you don't agree with my conclusion supports that you're stupid" That is what you just said. No, I didn't come to that conclusion because I'm not an idiot. I actually read world events, national and global news. I read papers, I follow actions done by people. I don't come up with the most fallacious conspiracy theories. "Because you're too close minded and frankly stupid to see the big picture."-Ironic someone like you would call anyone stupid. What an incredibly condescending, moronic, sophomoric comment you have made. When you're done playing games and trying to be a pseudo-intellect, come back and actually support your claim without making such derailed, convoluted messy arguments, like your voting one. No, it's not reading comprehension on my part, it's your inability to write a well structured argument or reasoning for your vote.
Berend says2015-09-30T06:05:45.6713503Z
You want a single point Obama has done that is good? The car company bail out.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T07:34:55.2322155Z
@Berend -- The same car company bailout that even by Obama's own admission was an absolute failure? Or do you mean the cash for clunkers deal that by Obama's own admission was a complete failure costing tax payers around $24,000 per clunker sold?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T07:51:33.3665756Z
As for the reading comprehension, here allow me to make it simple for you: 1) American military leaves the area -- check 2) American politics leaves the area -- check 3) Abandon allies in region -- check 4) Let native population either sink or swim -- check 5) If native population sinks, it is not U.S. problem; it will be solved by most powerful group in area or taken over by super power and its allies in the region. Enemy super powers have massive handicap -- check 6) Turn to Western World and claim victory as surely there are enough m0rons like you blind enough to believe it -- check. || These are the steps to leveling the playing field which has been, is and will continue to be Obama's goal and campaign promise. We fulfilled 1-4 & 6, Iran, Syria and Russia, along with North Korea and China are fulfilling 5. TA-DA! No you learned something REAL.
Berend says2015-09-30T07:58:19.4267843Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont -- "The same car company bailout that even by Obama's own admission was an absolute failure?" I don't care what Obama thinks, it's what his actions did that I care about. The bail out saved our nation, kept jobs and helped our economy and was a thriving aspect for our economy via consumer products. It was better to do it than to not do it, in the end. It kept an important company in. Not only that, aside from past marks, which there are a few, this Deal is good. His past actions do not automatically make this one bad (that is the genetic fallacy), and if you want to stop nukes, you either do this or you go to war. The latter would be incredibly worse. Not even a debate.
Berend says2015-09-30T08:01:34.4617349Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont, You discredited yourself by stating the western world would fall, all on the behalf of Iran having Nukes, which the deal does the very opposite. IF they want freaking nukes, they can get them now. The nuke deal prevents that. The only one with the inability to read if you, clearly.
Berend says2015-09-30T08:11:49.8779696Z
1), IRan can get nukes without the deal if they wanted. 2) The deal prevents them from getting nukes. They can, however, keep nuclear power. 3) We (the U.N.) inspects them. 4) Israel already has nukes, has had them, more than one, and has a military that would destroy Iran if it wanted and has threatened them in the past. Agree or not, America does it or not, this deal is not only by Americans, it's done by the British, Germans, French, Chinese and Russia, as well as us. The P5+1. If we do not go along with it, Russia and China will remove sanctions themselves. We already support a terrorist like nation, Saudi Arabia, and no one complains. Go ahead, give all the sanctioned money to Iran and give them a nuke, which will never happen, and they still will not be a super power. Because Israel is a major threat to them. They wont go to us, because we'd kill them and they know it. They know better to attack either us or Israel, because it would be the utter end for them. They are have a dumb religion, but they are not that stupid. We, however, are, as evident by Bush invading Iraq.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T08:18:01.3929050Z
We get it, you LOVE the word fallacy, get over it. Second, you caved pretty quickly there, admitting you don't care at all about the action or lack of action, nor do you care about the result. The point that matters to you, from your own mouth, is that Obama was the brains of the operation. It doesn't matter if Obama himself comes out and calls it a failure, it only matters that Obama thought of it. Congrats, you're the m0ron vote the Democrats count on election after election.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T08:25:52.0913657Z
You discredited yourself by stating the western world would fall, all on the behalf of Iran having Nukes, which the deal does the very opposite. No, actually the point was that other nations that we don’t want to have power will or do. For example: Iran WILL take over Iraq, Russia WILL help Syria and Afghanistan push back ISIS. At that point, Russia and Iran WILL split up the oil fields. In other world news, what would give us the idea that Iran and Russia want the oil fields? Well Bob, that’s an easy one. See Iran obviously wants oil fields so America keeps paying them for oil, increasing the economic boom Iran will see with loss of current economic sanctions. This means MUCH more income for Iran to supply to the same terror groups they already support to go after their enemies, like Israel. Russia, well they just want power and influence in the world. Their like a dog chasing a car, they keep chasing and chasing it but they wouldn’t know what to do if they caught it. Problem is, they are getting it, not only in the Middle East, but recently within the Arctic Circle, well under it to be exact. See Russia recently sent divers out to be the first nation to plant flags on land under the ice caps…exactly where scientists very recently discovered the existence of some of the largest oil reserves on the planet. And THAT is what the Western World should be afraid of. IF they want freaking nukes, they can get them now. The nuke deal prevents that. The only one with the inability to read if you, clearly. I’ll hit this one on the next post.
Berend says2015-09-30T08:34:44.8416107Z
@MakeSensePeopleDont -- First, I don't 'love' the word fallacy, I only really used 'fallacy' once, but have used fallacious. You are over reacting and attacking fruitless, moot points. Clearly you have already lost your edge in the discussion. I'll assume I am wrong and wait a more intelligent reply soon, my friend. Second, I never said I do not care about the end result. I said I do not care about Obama saying it is a failure, I care about the effect and the action it gave, not what someone thinks. I never once said I do not care about 'the lack of action or action or the result" as you claim. Allow me to reiterate via a absolute unedited quote from my post about the car industry and Obama. " it's what his actions did that I care about." Right there, you already show you have the lack of reading comprehension and only strengthened my bold, stark claim about you based on the Iran Nuclear Deal papers. Thanks, you make this quite easy. I never once stated that Obama being the brains is all the matters. My God, you don't know the difference between a line clearly saying I do not support something and one that does. Holy crap, your comprehension ability with reading is absolutely horrible. I expect more from vi_spex. I never stated that and my own post contradict your own post. ------ "It doesn't matter if Obama himself comes out and calls it a failure, it only matters that Obama thought of it." Once, it doesn't matter what he thinks or thought, what matters is the aftermath. Did his idea work or not? Just like the creationist freaks claiming Darwin recanted his views on God and evolution, anyone in the scientific community will tell you "it doesn't matter if that false claim is true, because we know he was right. So he could come back from the dead saying evolution was wrong, but he'd be wrong because his idea of it was right from the start." So no, and you miss the point, MSPD. Sad, because I truly enjoy this discussion, or topic, not discussion. I don't enjoy the mess you spew. "Congrats, you're the m0ron vote the Democrats count on election after election." Not only was that unreadable, but I;ll assume you mean reelecting Obama. In which case, yes I did. Would I now? Maybe not. It depends on who runs and Obama is 100x better than Romney and McCain. McCain would have sent us to war and Romney attacked his own ideology.
Berend says2015-09-30T08:36:18.3810095Z
Urg... Would you rather discuss this on the forum or a debate? Addressing your crap is quite irritating on the comments.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T08:40:34.2415298Z
1), IRan can get nukes without the deal if they wanted. 1.1) No they can’t…well not before Obama took office. See they were ABLE to, but when America invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, those plans were put on hold because now America has military power right next door. In fact, Iran was terrified we were over there and backed off pretty quickly. Then came Obama’s retreat and apologize war strategy. 2) The deal prevents them from getting nukes. 2.1) What part of it? Just because Obama and his buddies say it does? If they could get them before, what is stopping them now? Oh wait, I bet that talking point is coming up next isn’t it? 3) We (the U.N.) inspects them. 3.1) LOL no we don’t. WOW you’re way off. In fact, the deal states that Iran gets to inspect ITSELF. 4) Israel already has nukes 4.1) REALLY? Please, show this to me. Go ahead, in fact, there is actually an official site that tracks every nation that has nuclear weapons. So go ahead, prove it…you can’t, I bet my DDO account on it. You show me that Israel has nukes and I will log off my account and give you my credentials to do as you please for the rest of time. 5) Agree or not, America does it or not, this deal is not only by Americans, it's done by the British, Germans, French, Chinese and Russia, as well as us. 5.1) Correct…Obama didn’t lead, so the world did what it does best and followed suit. Obama said give them what they want and the rest of the world went along with it…at least the socialist world did. 6) The P5+1. If we do not go along with it, Russia and China will remove sanctions themselves. 6.1) Yeah, EVERYONE does what they want in the world these days because nobody fears the U.S. with Obama in charge. Fact. 7) Because Israel is a major threat to them. 7.1) Correction, Israel WAS a threat to them…because the U.S. was backing them. Now the Nuke Agreement Obama signed, actually says if ANYONE including our allies like Israel gets in military combat with Iran, we have to now go and protect IRAN from our own allies…how does that work? It’s an agreement Obama wanted to ensure the next president can’t do anything about the deal. 8) They know better to attack either us or Israel, because it would be the utter end for them. 8.1) We can’t protect Israel any longer against Iran per this agreement. They also have no reason to attack us because we are the biggest supporter of their oil AND the agreement forces us to protect them. 9) They are have a dumb religion, but they are not that stupid. We, however, are, as evident by Bush invading Iraq. 9.1) Really? Your big finish is to point the finger at Bush? Wow, talking point central.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T08:42:00.7763939Z
What do you want to debate exactly? I already put you in your place AND showed your mindset. What else would you like me to embarrass you about?
Berend says2015-09-30T08:42:19.0599455Z
@MSPD --- You do understand Iran is fighting ISIS, right? Iran will not take over Iraq, because that would cause inevitable intervention. We don't need oil, we get it from other nations and we also are moving greatly away from Oil, as evident by Obama's push on cleaner energy. The fact you also think Iran will support terrorist groups to attack Israel is laughable. It's not going to happen. Iran literally wants the land, if anything.They hate the people running it, and they know, as do anyone with a brain, Israel's army to Iran is like our military to Greece. It's not a competition. Like at all. "Their like a dog chasing a car, they keep chasing and chasing it but they wouldn’t know what to do if they caught it.: OK, Heath Ledger Joker, quite the creative, original comment. "I’ll hit this one on the next post." You do that, cupcake.
Berend says2015-09-30T08:45:30.9748361Z
Of course you think you won. Everyone who debates on the internet thinks they won the debate when the make a post. It's quite freaking stupid. You haven't and it's sad you believe it.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T08:53:48.5517419Z
1)You do understand Iran is fighting ISIS, right? 1.1) And? What’s your point? 2) Iran will not take over Iraq, because that would cause inevitable intervention. 2.1) Mmmmm I’m jealous of your naïveté, life must be so nice on that side of the fence. 3) We don't need oil, we get it from other nations and we also are moving greatly away from Oil, as evident by Obama's push on cleaner energy. 3.1) Again, the cleaner energy plan his own administration has called a complete failure? And Iraq is our 5th highest oil importer right now by the way. 4) The fact you also think Iran will support terrorist groups to attack Israel is laughable. 4.1) You do realize this has actually been happening since…forever right?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-30T17:44:07.0909336Z
@Berend -- Guessing you quit without a word?
BIGC says2015-10-02T12:46:15.2027835Z
Iran is the largest supporter of terrorism in the world

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