@Mathgeekjoe If by "crazy extreme side of feminism" you mean the feminazis, then I totally agree. I am a feminist, but NOT a feminazi, so I believe that women should be equal to men, not better than them.
@TBR: Women do have equal pay in some places, but where I live, they still get paid a few cents less than men per hour. I believe it's 23 cents.
Sophia13 - "I am a feminist, but NOT a feminazi". Well good for you. How nice to split the group into "Good" and "Bad" for everyone. "Women do have equal pay in some places, but where I live, they still get paid a few cents less than men per hour. I believe it's 23 cents." OK, first, your question then is wrong, as I pointed out. Second, a "few" cents less is NOT "few". 77% of equal pay is hardly insignificant.
Just because women have rights and equal pay in our country doesn't mean that they have equal pay and rights in other countries. In places like America I say its not needed anymore but a place like Saudi Arabia where they can't vote it is still needed.
I can tell this poll has been created by a feminist because if you are against feminism apparently you must think "feminists are stupid and you should throw rocks at them" - see the t-shirt image! Feminists of every type want to believe men are sexists so that they can feel better about hating men.
#Sophia13 - I doubt there are any people who wear this t-shirt or think feminists should be stoned, it looks like someone went on a site like shirtcity, typed the text, then just saved the image to show there is a need for feminism
@mostlogical: Pehaps people would not wear this t-shirt, but I'm sure there are people who would like to do much worse things to feminists than throw rocks at them. I've seen countless self-proclaimed "meninists" talk about how much they'd like to "kill all feminists". Whether or not they'd actually do it is debatable, but there are such people out there.
I cannot vote for this for I am split down the middle on this issue and the question has too large of a spectrum of answers for such a radical dichotomy.
I am of the believe that Feminism is no longer necessary for the First World...USA, Canada, UK, so on and so forth. However, the countries of Africa and the Middle East do need a Feminist touch. Though, as I say that, I will also say that while there are some issues the MRA can work upon here in the USA, I think they too would be better used in the impoverished third world.
I myself am an Egalitarian and would like all to have equality in opportunity, however not everyone will have equality in outcome, for you need to put the work in yourself to get the favorable outcome.
As long as I walk down the street with my key between my fingers for fear of attack, as long as I wear nail polish that checks for roofies, as long as I am told I cannot wear leggings because it distracts boys, as long as I am told I can't do something because I have a vagina, as long as I am told "boys don't like girls who...", as long as I am treated as a second class citizen I will say yes that feminism is still necessary.
To all those saying that women aren't paid the same as men, know that that statistic is based on an average of all men and women and not just ones in the same field or with similar jobs. More men take STEM courses in college and thus more men get STEM related (high paying) jobs. Unlike gender studies or liberal arts degrees, which more women take (for some reason yet unknown), there is a high demand for people with STEM degrees and they will get paid more for being over-qualified for the jobs they get even if it is the same job as someone who is barely-qualified.
I find this ridiculous crap spouted about "inequal pay" to be nonsense (in MEDCs, of course). Not only is there a LAW dictating that irrespective of gender, you must be paid equally, there's also the fact that you need to think about it logically. If women were allowed to be paid less, surely, just surely, more large companies would hire them, right? I mean, if I can get an employee to work the same amount but pay her less, I'd likely do it. It's not an ethical thing to do, but I'm 90% sure most of us have thought this once or twice.
Besides that, I really think this fallacy ("not all feminists") doesn't make much sense. If not all feminists are radicals (which I am aware is true) and the radicals are the minority, why aren't "real" feminists scolding their behaviour? How come they're still such a big problem? It makes me wonder...
Like, c'mon, "real" feminists, defend your movement. There is no need to sit back and watch this unacceptable behaviour fall through.
That's like saying you're against racism, reading about it, and doing absolutely nothing. In your mind, you may consider yourself anti-racist, but I would call that non-racist. You aren't being racist, but you're doing nothing about an actual problem. This sort of attitude simply isn't good enough.
Feminism has not gone to far, and will not have gone to far until it has achieved it goal... Equality. There are very few places where women are paid equally to men and in many countries women still don't have a vote at all. There are so many examples of how this whole debate is incorrect but I have a life away from this so I shall list but a few.
-Loads of countries state that a women cannot divorce their husband yet a man can divorce as many women as he wants, even if the women is raped and abused she has no say in her life
-In many ways politics has failed women. There are very, very few female politicians and because of this women's rights are not getting put forward seriously enough in court and parliament.
-Women are being blamed for being raped with people saying that 'they were asking for it' or 'if they didn't want it they shouldn't have been there' and, what is worse is, even after they have been caught rapists are not given particularly serious sentences.
-Because of our patriarchal society from when children are born they are made to feel like they must fit certain stereotypes. For example the man must be the bread winner and the female must be the carer. I know that in this society women can and do work, but women are often forced to decide between working or caring for it is made almost impossible to do both.
-As I said before women are not paid equally to men, even for doing exactly the same job. Sportsmen and women work equally as hard when it comes to training and performing, yet still they are not paid the same. If women cannot make the same amount of money as men they find themselves relying on men instead. This reliance only goes on to fuel our patriarcle society more.
Of course there are many, many, many other reasons why this whole debate is just terrible.