Sociology ethics: is it logical to fight against something in which is an inevitable?

Posted by: discomfiting

I.E: same-sex marriage, gender equality, racial equality, digital society, paperless money society (digital transactions), etc

  • Yes

  • No, fighting an inevitable of social progress is stupid due to the inevitably and uselessness of fighting it

57% 4 votes
43% 3 votes
  • Delaying matters. Take human death for example. Doctor's job is to delay it.

  • 'Zi Lu happening to pass the night in Shi Men, the gatekeeper said to him, "Whom do you come from?" Zi Lu said, "From Mr. Kong." "It is he, is it not?" said the other, "who knows the impracticable nature of the times and yet will be doing in them."' (Analects 14.38) Even if a progress is inevitable, if we feel that it is detrimental to society, we should resist it. Even if we fail, we have definitely made our mark. Confucius' teachings were never applied during his lifetime, but through education, his teachings have spread far and wide and finally became China's dominant school of thought - and remained so for 2000 years. If Confucius had felt that society was incorrigible and did nothing about it, Confucian thought would never have developed and matured. (It is not logical to fight against same-sex marriage and gender/racial equality because they are beneficial to society).

  • Whether or not something is 'inevitable' (strictly speaking, but *nothing* is truly inevitable) has nothing to do with whether or not it is logical to oppose it. While I am fully in support of same-sex marriage equality, and etc., I do not imagine that those things somehow magically 'have' to happen. That's *why* it's important to fight for them in the first place.

  • The Idle Argument sums it up.

  • 3D printable guns for everyone will be inevitable. Why delay it when we can deal with it NOW.

  • (This is probally horrendous wording.) Same sex marriage example; As a Christian, I am opposed to it. (As a side note for any attacks: I separate politics from faith. So no, I don't infringe others.) Same sex marriage is truly inevitable. However, I am 'influencing' against it. I think it's illogical to not fight or influence for something you believe in, because if you and others don't stand up your thought process will die out. And who wants to live in a isolated world? And what can influence turn into?

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discomfiting says2014-05-24T05:01:56.3204696-05:00
@cold-mind: "If it is fated for you to recover from this illness, then you will recover whether you call a doctor or not. Likewise, if you are fated not to recover, you will not do so whether you call a doctor or not. But either it is fated that you will recover from this illness, or it is fated that you will not recover. Therefore it is futile to consult a doctor"
discomfiting says2014-05-24T05:02:43.2099413-05:00
And clearly, i wasn't talking about death and physical being, i clearly said sociology ethics. Society, not a single being's health.
Cold-Mind says2014-05-24T05:29:41.3257165-05:00
@discomfiting I don't get what do you mean by "Sociology ethics:". Statement is true or not regardless of what scientific area is scrutinizing it. I don't either understand word "fate", because every definition I heard so far is based on irrational beliefs or logical fallacies.
discomfiting says2014-05-24T05:56:23.6092646-05:00
*diverts plagued debate*
madness says2014-05-24T08:40:18.1239952-05:00
Doctors delay death fine, but if a patient is in so much pain that they want to die, then delaying their death is wrong.

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