The Confederate Flag Should be Removed from Government Buildings

Posted by: Midnight1131

  • Yes, it should be removed

  • No, it should not be removed

55% 27 votes
45% 22 votes
  • its a divisive symbol slavery and racism... it has no place being displayed on public property. its an artifact of the past, and only used in contemporary context to protest integration and civil rights for blacks.

  • The flag is recognized as the banner of the Confederacy and it is no coincidence that it was a symbol of adoration in the portion of America where racial justice and equality progressed slower than anywhere else. The best argument for the Confederate flag staying where it is, is that it isn't really the Confederate flag. The groups of people coming forward to say the flag is not a racist symbol were far smaller when the KKK was marching around waving it in the air. If you truly believe the Confederate flag stands for something else that's great. Live those ideals while you're wearing a Confederate flag t-shirt. Maybe someday you can help people to think something else when they see the symbol. That's why I wear a Swastika hat whenever I donate blood. But in the meantime neither of those symbols belong in courthouses.

  • It is a bit inappropriate for government buildings to have a flag that was used by a group who wanted to succeed from that same government.

  • The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racial oppression and hatred and should not be looked at as a symbol of "southern pride"

  • It's a symbol of war, division, and destruction. Imagine the Nazi flag being flown on government buildings - it stands for pretty much the same thing. It's a rebellious flag that broke away from what America we have today. Take it down!

  • From government buildings, yes. From other places, no.

  • Why is this even a question.

    Posted by: SE2
  • Yes, it's a symbol of a slave owning country.

  • No matter what the flag represents (and yes, it actually represents hate) the Confederate States of America lost the Civil War. The flag represents treason to the U.S., and therefor simply should not be displayed on government grounds (other than museums). In short: The CSA lost the war. Why display the loser's flag?

  • Well if you tink about it, usa had slaves too so lets remove that.

  • Its a battle flag and symbol for separating from the union. It's historic. It's a reminder of the power of the people to try and be free from a government they don't want anything to do with. It's also a sign of oppression now as those states were not able to escape.

  • It's a piece of history. The Confederates simply wanted to be left alone, and they wanted the Union to mind their own business. It's a battle flag.

  • as freedombeforeoppression said

  • I am against the idea of the Confederate flag but I understand it is a form of free speech. If the people within the local area wish to raise the flag then we as outsiders have no right to judge there belief.

  • The Confederate flag is part of American history. We're treading on thin ice when we start trying to ban everything that people find offensive.

  • When people say Confederate Flag mean use the picture that was used in this poll they really mean the Confederate Battle Flag.

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eagleoftheeast says2015-06-24T14:16:11.3452126-05:00
Wonderfully said freedombeforeequality
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T14:24:47.7619435-05:00
Thats quite literally what people see it as. The guy riding bulls in Texas isnt wearing it on his belt buckle because he hates blacks ... Its because he wants to express freedom and independence with a little rebellion rubbed in there. The General doesnt have it painted on the roof because the Dukes want blacks running shine for them as slaves. Its to denote their rebel attitude towards authority and their free spirit. This whole race thing is due to specifically engineered timing by the media after all this other racially charged crap theyve been pushing. They are good at entertaining. It's their goal every hour of programming both during and after the news is over.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T14:26:17.3544664-05:00
The Confederate Flag is both the United States Flag and the Gadsen Flag rolled into one. Thats it ... Plain and simple.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T14:28:48.5057731-05:00
Which was another victim I might add. Http://dailycaller.Com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T14:30:33.2461873-05:00
Its what happens when you let people change definitions on you mid game. Or perhaps they were left uneducated long enough to form their own meaning for a thing, then botch it up. Idk. Ignorance needs to stop though.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T14:38:11.3902470-05:00
I'm waiting for the phrase "Wolverines!" to become racially charged one day. J/k
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-24T15:51:26.9831266-05:00
America has been losing lots of Constitution value in recent years for more liberal values
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-24T15:52:08.2147195-05:00
Equality is just a soft name for oppression
Kreakin says2015-06-24T17:18:55.6587874-05:00
"The General" lol you mean the General Lee?? Couldn't bring yourself to give the complete name without undermining your comment.
Kreakin says2015-06-24T17:27:18.7669357-05:00
The flags clearly a racist banner from the days when slaves where treated "firmly" or in other words, whipped. Good ole GL had his treated firmly...
TBR says2015-06-24T17:35:50.4255751-05:00
Just what is a Constitution value? Complete nonsense.
maroonmachine says2015-06-24T19:09:25.8471619-05:00
The removal of a symbol, due to political correctness, is nonsense. I have nothing for or against the use of the flag, but to suggest it be removed because it might offend someone is ridiculous. If we continue down the path of conformity to political correctness we lose sight of the freedoms we have earned under the constitution. We enjoy freedom of speech and expression, we may not like the message, but we do not have the right to muzzle the speech or message of another. To suggest the flag is used as a racist symbol is childish at best, and certainly has no credibility. Again, to interpret the modern meaning of the use of the flag, is not the point, it remains covered under freedom of speech and expression. Period.
TBR says2015-06-24T19:44:27.3791752-05:00
"it remains covered under freedom of speech and expression." Do you have any understanding of the constitution, or only like to use it as a political thing? The right is for individuals, not government institutions.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-24T19:47:46.6886080-05:00
The government is also under control of the Constitution making it also protected under it.
TBR says2015-06-24T19:54:12.5538377-05:00
@eagleoftheeast - You so don't understand what a right is. Please, don't even try to use the constitution in an argument. You have no idea what a protection is.
tajshar2k says2015-06-24T20:19:45.2675716-05:00
You guys should understand that FOS is for the citizens of the U.S.A, not the government.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:13:45.1155032-05:00
"The removal of a symbol, due to political correctness, is nonsense." Christians tried that about idol worship and it made them no more right than the idol worshipers were.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:15:56.3452268-05:00
"Just what is a Constitution value? Complete nonsense." In the words of the crazy bus driver from Southpark "What did you say!"
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:17:26.2792800-05:00
No such thing as constitutional values ... That's why we are where we are right now, having to argue this with you. Are you kidding me TBR. Really, are you kidding me??
TBR says2015-06-24T21:25:55.7087528-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality - The constitution is not about "values" it is about law. I expect you know that, and would argue with me in another context.
TBR says2015-06-24T21:32:26.3988172-05:00
Argue on my side. Sorry, that was not clear.
58539672 says2015-06-24T21:34:33.4128607-05:00
The first amendment prevents the government from infringing upon an individuals right to speech, press, religion, assembly, and petition. Let me emphasize two words from that previous sentence. GOVERNMENT and INDIVIDUAL. The government can't censor your right to free speech, but private institutions like universities can. And although they can't infringe upon an individuals freedom, they are perfectly able to regulate what they do in their own buildings, including removing a flag.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:57:38.9539695-05:00
Its not law, its ideology that we have an entire branch of government devoted to deriving law from.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:58:35.5432412-05:00
"... The idea that all men are created equal ..." The entire document was written with that being the ideology.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:01:20.6184473-05:00
"... Provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..." Those aren't ideologies to you? Values?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:02:15.6946748-05:00
The declaration of independence and constitution are littered with values.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:04:11.7435398-05:00
And they should be common values amongst all of its citizenry. Those who do not identify with those values are un-American. There really isn't an opinion factor to what is or isn't American. Its spelled out right there.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:05:00.5618790-05:00
Its not all originating from me or a bunch of republicans or whatever.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:13:00.6110768-05:00
@ Kreakin Oh on the note about the General Lee, after I got in the truck headed home I heard on the radio that some Hollywood media company was making a statement by refusing to sell or stream Dukes of Hazard now all because of this nonsense. It was just funny is all. Thought I'd mention that.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:14:49.6474252-05:00
"Good ole GL had his treated firmly..." As did the northern slave owners and people generations before. Presidents included.
TBR says2015-06-24T23:24:01.6299597-05:00
Values are not something that can be ratified by law. Our constitution is the foundation of our law and governance. I can't write a constitutional right about values. This goes back to our conversation the other night. The constitution is MY constitution just as much as YOUR constitution. Whatever values you prescribe to has nothing to do with OUR constitutional protections.
TBR says2015-06-24T23:27:12.7026923-05:00
And, to stay on point, whomever thinks that the 1st amendment right to speech protects the GOVERNMENT flying the flag of the failed confederacy needs to take a civic class.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:25:56.7489624-05:00
Those rights came first from values. If you didnt value the ability to be able to speak out against your government you wouldnt have come to the conclusion that free speech should be a right. If you didnt value life liberty or property you wouldnt have come to the conclusion that laws should be drawn up to protect those things. To expand on that, some people don't value the ability to speak out against the government and are shills for them. That would be against the values of the constitution. Some people dont value life the same way either. They would be unamerican. Or right to own property. Unamerican. Right to own property is why this country identifies and uses capitalism the way it does. This is precisely why communist ideas are unamerican. Its spelled out in the values the constitution was written on.
tajshar2k says2015-06-25T08:27:12.3409131-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality The first amendment applies to the citizens, not the government.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:29:35.0352583-05:00
I dont see how someone could interpret anything different about the value of property as its spelled out there (for example). Can you show me an example of how any joe shmo on the street could change that idea, that value, to their liking and have it be a stark contrast to someone elses idea of property?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:44:32.3757381-05:00
Mine was in reference more to the post before that ... 00:24
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:45:43.6041861-05:00
Its not the governments free speech flying that flag anyways. They had the people vote to have it put up there several years back.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:45:58.0449862-05:00
It was peoples free speech.
minnie.xox says2015-06-25T21:42:49.5355641-05:00
If you think about it, the American flag also represents racism, oppression, and violence. It depends on who you ask. Why don't we just remove ALL flags? The only thing they do is divide us. (I am only half joking).
Midnight1131 says2015-06-26T06:52:07.9368331-05:00
Well, flags in general look pretty cool.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T07:57:27.6833929-05:00
@minnie.Xox We had to have known that would be the next step. Https://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=I5YdWhVEpPU
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T07:58:38.3687707-05:00
Just listen to Louis Farrakhan.
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T08:02:46.2831407-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality, That was back when Slavery was the norm.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T08:09:06.8580568-05:00
What post are you referring to?
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T08:09:58.1830438-05:00
"Its not the governments free speech flying that flag anyways. They had the people vote to have it put up there several years back." It wasn't several years back, it was several decades ago.
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T08:10:13.1593318-05:00
Sorry not slavery, segregation.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T08:41:44.8622340-05:00
Im almost certain it was earlier than that that it was on the ballot again and approved again. As recently as the last 20-30 years. Lemme check and get back to you.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T08:52:21.3757274-05:00
Yeah in 2000 they voted to keep it on gov't grounds, just not on the capitol building (SC). In 2001 Mississippi voted 2-1 in favor of keeping it on their state flag also. Those are fairly recent figures. Http://www.Pbs.Org/newshour/rundown/8-things-didnt-know-confederate-flag/
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T08:54:53.7607545-05:00
Wow... Never knew that.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:03:05.0038055-05:00
The fact that it wasnt adopted as the confederate states flag, but a flag specifically for Robert E Lee's unit was news to me. Makes sense that it became more symbolic than the Confederate flag itself since he turned out to be the real figurehead of the entire movement. I dont think people even recognize the president of the confederacy with the same regard as they do their top general. I think that fact also speaks to what this flag represents ... Even less about the confederate states stance and more about the war and defiance aspects.
TBR says2015-06-26T09:06:11.0529896-05:00
@tajshar2k - The polling still has the people of the state supporting the flag better than 60%. The topic is huge for them. FreedomBeforeEquality - We make law, not values. The initial post was "constitutional values" which is code word for "the way I want it to be". I am not misinterpreting when I read it that way, and take HUGE exception to anyone using OUR constitution as a club to protect what they individually believe "should be right". It, the constitution, is our framework. The values of the nation are made by ALL the citizens. The same constitution that protects one mans right to burn a flag supports another mans right to say its wrong.
TBR says2015-06-26T09:08:40.6748681-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - And the flag stands for difference things to different people. The minority blacks of the state are saying what it stands for. Are you denying them their right to say what it means?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:08:49.6304404-05:00
It's sort of like military logos and slogans used today. Im sure that some would have a problem knowing there are pinup girls pased all over a guys flight patch when hes representing our nation overseas ... But in no way is it supposed to represent sexism or any other nonsense about the women of this country. I think it reflects more about the mindset of a warrior than any sort of subliminal suppression against women.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:09:03.3753048-05:00
Pasted*
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:11:58.1575367-05:00
"the way I want it to be" ok maybe there is a level of that in there. The way the framers wanted it to be though, not you. You just subscribe to what values they thought were paramount. If you dont like those values you destroy the country and make a new one ... And thats whats going on here. Because those values are tied to the constitution, bound by it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:15:09.4577477-05:00
I think the rainbow flag stands for hate. You dont see me pushing to have them take down some symbol they made for themselves. If they want to rally under it then so be it. You can have whatever perceptions you want about the flag and pass whatever judgements you want on the people bearing it ... Doesnt make any of them true.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:20:12.4054122-05:00
For real though, no amount of amending is going to be able to take those values out of there and render this thing completely neutral. And complete neutrality was not its intent. In fact, everytime people try to amend the thing and make it more neutral and inclusive they actually make it worse. Its almost identical to the effects we see in affirmative action. Unequal treatment to try and create an equal society (bringing down rich or privileged to try and get everyone on the same level takes inequality to do.)
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T09:21:15.0887820-05:00
Rainbow flag is meant to represent LGBT, how does that represent hate?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:22:46.6767789-05:00
I was trying to make the point that peoples perception of the flag doesnt get to define what it actually stands for, since I could potentially perceive it as whatever I wanted to, hateful or otherwise.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:25:51.4311318-05:00
Especially when they didnt even create it in the first place. No one alive today was there sewing the thing together so theyd have a banner for the cause (rebellion). How are they able to be the ones that define what its about? That sounds like an easy path towards destroying something good ... Formulate bad opinion and get the mob and their ignorance running rampant and you can apparently get anything changed into looking bad.
tajshar2k says2015-06-26T09:26:51.5390877-05:00
But the confederate flag does state for segregation and slavery.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:30:35.4657939-05:00
Slightly unrelated (but related), that poll I did on Gone Girl. It didnt matter what the truth was about the disappearance, all it took was a little media hype and everyone completely changed their perception on this guy, who apparently murdered no one, was not actually performing incest, etc. etc. Talk about people ruining something over ignorance. I don't see this as much different.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:34:22.9025676-05:00
It doesnt. It stands for a states (a peoples) right to rule themselves. Slavery just happened to be one of the things. It wasnt as hot an issue at the time. The north treated blacks as sub human too. It was about states having power, and being able to leave the union if they disagree. If it hadnt been about race ... There would have been something else. Cotton tax, federal growth about railroads and interstate trade, all kinds of stuff.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:35:58.9360024-05:00
A civil war was inevitable ... Slavery or not. There was going to be a divide about central vs state government at some point. Thats why it is not about race.
TBR says2015-06-26T09:46:27.6151037-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - There are no states flying the pride flag that I am aware of. Any individual (as I said above) has the freedom to behave like a complete jerk - he can fly the flag. State governments are not individuals. If the state of California wanted to adopt the pride flag as the state flag, it would become a issue YOU have a say in.
TBR says2015-06-26T09:49:12.4336746-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - The reasons behind the civil war were many, no doubt. Above I see a common new(ish) deflection, that it had NOTHING to do with slavery. That is as dishonest as saying it was ALL about slavery.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:54:00.7582217-05:00
Im just saying it obviously wasnt about trying to treat them as full fledged human beings since they just went and enacted segregation everywhere (north included). Everyone makes it out to be a high and mighty cause when really, if you want to go off racism as the central point of contention, the day they stopped segregation was much more pivotal to the cause than the civil war was.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T09:57:12.6307131-05:00
Im saying it was not the central point of contention in the war. Those white men were angry at eachother for a host of other reasons. Neither of them was black, there was very little interest in how nonvoters felt about the war. And the only reason the north allowed them to fight alongside whites was because they needed the men to win. It was out of necessity, not because they believed all black men deserved to be treated equally. Theyd still continue on to try and make it so those same black men couldnt vote or have an equal say in anything they were doing.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:01:21.5116941-05:00
"as dishonest as saying it was ALL about slavery." Also if you can quote me as saying "nothing to do with slavery" in any of my comments on the matter ill retract those statements. I don't think I did though.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:02:17.9948008-05:00
People on here are saying it is all about slavery though ... And yes, i agree with you, it is dishonest to say.
TBR says2015-06-26T10:06:50.7716259-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - Yea, sorry. Was not trying to put those words in your mouth. Others up-thread, not you. However, the issue of slavery was very important at the higher level. No, you would never have gotten the individuals of the time (the troops) to fight and die in those numbers entirely on this one issue.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:09:39.1372877-05:00
Ofcourse not, hardly any (if any at all) on the ground even owned slaves. Less than 10% of all white males at the time were slave owners ... And my bet is that those were the top rich percentile and fought from the rear.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:12:42.1958134-05:00
And you know my chances of being related to any of that <10% are so extremely slim ... And we are separated by generations upon generations ... Yet we will still be punished for the sins of my fathers. Whats with that? I thought we were supposed to be "More than the wars of our fathers".
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:13:07.2840961-05:00
Thats real discrimination.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:24:58.9705524-05:00
Its like the question people pose about Jesus and slavation. Do you condemn everyone that came and died before just because they didnt exist in the same timespan that Jesus came and made his sacrifice? Can you condemn someone for sins that were not realized as such until much much later, when people perception changes? Theyre long dead. Dishonoring their cause and their symbols now after the fact is just ignorant. Learn a lesson from it and move forward. All I can picture with these people is little children getting mad at inanimate objects, like things falling off a shelf and not staying put or something not doing what they want it to, taking all their frustrations out on a thing, as if thats going to help.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-26T10:25:55.0840927-05:00
Salvation*
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-26T16:07:48.7149168-05:00
"... The idea that all men are created equal ..." The entire document was written with that being the ideology." Yup and equal in that sentence means equally free
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-26T16:09:14.4385653-05:00
TBR, no ones telling you that you don't have a right to say it's wrong.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-26T16:12:06.7965624-05:00
@eagleoftheeast - You so don't understand what a right is. Please, don't even try to use the constitution in an argument. You have no idea what a protection is. TBR it seems like you don't know what hypocrisy is.
TBR says2015-06-26T16:12:31.9004454-05:00
Eagleoftheeast - This started because of this statement you made. "The government is also under control of the Constitution making it also protected under it". This is 100% wrong.
TBR says2015-06-26T16:14:09.2407181-05:00
I have a personal right to say the flag is a moronic symbol used by bucktooth dimwits. They have a personal right to display their bucktooth dim-witness by flying it. The GOVERNMENT does not have this right by the constitution.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-26T16:17:48.0871283-05:00
The first amendment applies to the citizens, not the government. This democratic government is citizen run. So if a racist town in the south had a majority vote for raising a confederate flag to honor Lee then that's fine
TBR says2015-06-26T16:20:50.9480607-05:00
Then we agree. Individual citizens of the country are allowed to be dimwitted asses, but the second part is not entirely accurate. If we make a law at the federal or state level, the town could NOT.
eagleoftheeast says2015-06-26T16:22:56.1866766-05:00
@TBR - The polling still has the people of the state supporting the flag better than 60%. The topic is huge for them. FreedomBeforeEquality - We make law, not values. The initial post was "constitutional values" which is code word for "the way I want it to be". I am not misinterpreting when I read it that way, and take HUGE exception to anyone using OUR constitution as a club to protect what they individually believe "should be right". It, the constitution, is our framework. The values of the nation are made by ALL the citizens. The same constitution that protects one mans right to burn a flag supports another mans right to say its wrong. What is there to not understand? The Constitution values are things like freedom. I never said Constitution values were somehow a law or ratified. I'm simply commenting on the change in values in recent years from more conservative to more liberal values.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-29T14:13:39.0435164-05:00
"The same constitution that protects one mans right to burn a flag supports another mans right to say its wrong. What is there to not understand?" Because when you do that youve created a conundrum and a double negative of sorts. You obviously cant be standing for that same value if you intend to destroy any representation that value has in society (flags, documents, and other symbols included). All I can picture when you say that is a Homer Simpson like character stating "I support the Constitution!" as he rolls it up and burns it. That leaves the next guy asking "What constitution is that?" "You just destroyed whatever it was you were referring to." "There go your rights ... They left when you burned the very thing protecting them".
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-29T14:16:10.0192320-05:00
Lemme ask you this. Without any sort of inanimate objects or documentation to back our claim to being free and equal, you are essentially leaving the idea in the hands of people - to be passed down by word of mouth and ridden with bias. Objects set a standard. A completely living idea of freedom cannot exist. Can it?
dannyb63 says2015-11-21T21:20:02.1657123Z
Freedom of Speech
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:23:14.8431085Z
Yeah but who or what defines that right for you. Or at least, how would you be able to define a violation of that right as it applies to everyone, free of bias? You cant unless theres some standard out there. Word of mouth alone cant cut it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:23:38.4442442Z
Yeah but who or what defines that right for you. Or at least, how would you be able to define a violation of that right as it applies to everyone, free of bias? You cant unless theres some standard out there. Word of mouth alone cant cut it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:27:56.7620282Z
I wouldn't abhor going to jail based only on word of mouth. I'd like there to be some standard that I could have known about, some trend that shows that im not being singled out for something everyone else is allowed to do unpunished. I don't think you can have that with a bunch of judgmental people who change their minds about things at the drop of a hat. Mob rule.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:28:21.9391508Z
I wouldn't abhor going to jail based only on word of mouth. I'd like there to be some standard that I could have known about, some trend that shows that im not being singled out for something everyone else is allowed to do unpunished. I don't think you can have that with a bunch of judgmental people who change their minds about things at the drop of a hat. Mob rule.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:37:20.1388542Z
We need something in place that they cant change on a whim, so that the rest of us dont get stepped on. Thats why I really like to see impasses in congress and veto's being used. No action is good action as far as im concerned. And if there is to be a change ... You should need a super majority in both houses every single time ... Not this simple majority and one partisan president thing we do now. Thats not representing the people very well.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-11-24T16:37:42.6809987Z
We need something in place that they cant change on a whim, so that the rest of us dont get stepped on. Thats why I really like to see impasses in congress and veto's being used. No action is good action as far as im concerned. And if there is to be a change ... You should need a super majority in both houses every single time ... Not this simple majority and one partisan president thing we do now. Thats not representing the people very well.

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